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Old 22.08.2008, 09:35
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Absolute Land of Mad timetabling, Sutter, really sorry for you.

Here in Vaud we've also got block time, so my kids have 8.30-11.30am, then 2-3.30pm, with the usual Wed pm off and an occasional extension of the morning to 12 noon if my son's extra French class is on that day.

I shall now officially stop moaning about the ridiculously long lunch break and just be thankful for what I've got!

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Has anyone seen a justification ? A good place to start methinks.

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Sometimes in the early school years the teacher divides the class into two groups and teaches the first group, for example, from 8-10 a.m. and the second group from 10-12 midday. Theory is that each child gets more individual attention and teacher gets more time to listen to readers.

Second theory is that young children only have a limited time span of concentration before becoming restless and disturbing the rest of the class.

N.B. Teachers always argue that their duty is ONLY to teach i.e. pass on information and not "Erziehung" and so send the children home to be "erzogen".

My experience was that the school system was arranged for the convenience of the teachers rather than the pupils or parents.
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Not me!

If I had a choice, I'd start no earlier than 10.00. I'm quite happy to work till late in the evening (so long as the pubs are still open when I leave, which they always are here), but mornings, with the usual state of my head and stomach, are a nightmare.

Never mind. I'll be getting plenty of sleep tonight... not got to be up till 5.45.
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Sometimes in the early school years the teacher divides the class into two groups and teaches the first group, for example, from 8-10 a.m. and the second group from 10-12 midday. Theory is that each child gets more individual attention and teacher gets more time to listen to readers.

Second theory is that young children only have a limited time span of concentration before becoming restless and disturbing the rest of the class.

N.B. Teachers always argue that their duty is ONLY to teach i.e. pass on information and not "Erziehung" and so send the children home to be "erzogen".

My experience was that the school system was arranged for the convenience of the teachers rather than the pupils or parents.
I agree, but today my daughter started at 7.30am and the first class was writing, then the second class was Gym, so why start so early, and finish so early
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Old 22.08.2008, 09:44
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Sutter, you must have figured out by now that work is a 4 letter word for a mum here. You are meant to stay at home and keep to a precise schedule with the help of a Swiss watch. You are supposed to be up before the sun comes up, and your kids are expected to have a hot lunch. I had the teacher calling me asking me why our kids didn't have a hot lunch (she knew I went to work) so in the morning the kids had oatmeal for breakfast and I made sure they told the teacher so, and explained to her that our kids preferred eating sandwiches for lunch which they made themselves which I informed the teacher taught them how to be independent. She was speechless.

The best advice I can offer you to give you some relief is to organize something with some other mums where your daughter or son might go to a friend's house after school for lunch, and then you reciprocate. This gives each mom a bit of a break.

From what I recall, the school schedule for our kids was more consistent, but we had Saturday school at the time (better be careful here...don't want my age showing)

If you are not a morning person, you are going to struggle. Somehow the kids had little trouble getting up early, even on dark winter mornings.

Good luck, I am sure you will get used to what seems like chaos.
Thanks i never was a morning person i used to like to stay up late, and watch a good movie, now i feel like a grandma going to bed early, (ok not everynight). I have made arrangements with other mummys, but it still is very stressful, trying to cope with the 2 timetables.

Why oh why can it not be like back in the UK
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Old 22.08.2008, 09:53
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Has anyone seen a justification ? A good place to start methinks.

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When I started elementary school, the class was divided in two halves that came separately to school in the mornings. But I'm not sure how common that is nowadays. Still it's just over 20 lessons per week for the first grade which might contribute to these timetables. You have to fill nine half-days a week with that.
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Re: School timetable is terrible don`t know if i am coming or going

My sympathies are with you. I would go crazy if my life revolved around being an escort service (even for my own children)! I had no idea this existed for primary school aged children. Surely a regular start annd finish would be better for all. I actually think it's discriminatory towards women, as they are the ones mostly doing all the mindless running around. If men were in this position, they would not accept it, they would complain and change the system. So I agree, get a group of other parents and start making a campaign!!! Chain yourselves to the school gate, run infront of a horse, burn your bras or whatever it takes....
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Old 22.08.2008, 10:01
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My sympathies are with you. I would go crazy if my life revolved around being an escort service (even for my own children)! I had no idea this existed for primary school aged children. Surely a regular start annd finish would be better for all. I actually think it's discriminatory towards women, as they are the ones mostly doing all the mindless running around. If men were in this position, they would not accept it, they would complain and change the system. So I agree, get a group of other parents and start making a campaign!!! Chain yourselves to the school gate, run infront of a horse, burn your bras or whatever it takes....
LOL thanks i agree also, my mother-in-law suggested at the next parents evening we should tell them it is a crappy timetable, but i have no idea when that will be.

When i got the timetables i was in such a painc for weeks because i could not split myself in half, and be in 2 places at once, and i did not want to let 1 child be on there own at home alone, or walking on there own, so i have to say i am very grateful to the other mummys that are helping me
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Re: School timetable is terrible don`t know if i am coming or going

Poor Sutter!

I've gone through all this - being trapped at home, wacky timetable, etc., but fortunately for me, I only had one child to sort out.
I can only tell you how great it feels when this child grows up* (mine's 14 now)
& suddenly you're FREE again (well, relatively!)
Of course, now secondary- school- stress has kicked in, & although the timetable is better, the poor kids don't have a free second.
My girl still moans about getting up at 6.30 every day & how she's sleep deprived & it will stunt her growth, etc,etc. I sympathise, but secretly, I think it's doing her good!!


* Not that I would wish your kids' childhood away, by any means!
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Old 22.08.2008, 13:02
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Sutter, you have my sympathies. But you really should try doing this as a single parent that has to work. Then your juggling skills will really improve.

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With that said, how old are your kids ? I was walking myself to and from school from about 7 years old, when both my parents worked. Admittedly this was 20+ years ago, and not the cottonwool generations of today, but still...
I don't think that it is so much to do with wrapping the kids in cotton wool but the world is a different place today. More people feel vulnerable as the community spirit becomes more eroded.
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I had the teacher calling me asking me why our kids didn't have a hot lunch.
Erm, what business is this of the teacher's exactly? I would have explained that in the Anglo Saxon world, it is entirely normal to have a small midday meal and a substantial meal in the evening. After all, she doesn't want kids nodding off in the middle of afternoon classes.

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Sutter, you have my sympathies. But you really should try doing this as a single parent that has to work. Then your juggling skills will really improve.
typical woman ... probably spends all her day telling her hubby she is a master multi-tasker and then comes here moaning.

Mrs. HTD has it all under control - but then again she is German - One kid in Mittagsbettreuung on Mondays and Thursdays, one kid at friends house Monday Lunch, all kids plus friend from Monday home for lunch on Tuesday, one kid at neighbours house on Thursday at lunch and both kids at home Friday lunch + neighbours kid. Then she works 60%, 40% of which in Zug meaning that Mr.HTD has to get up at 07:00 to get the kids off to school on Mondays and Thursdays.

Can you imagine what it's like getting up at 07:00 in the morning?
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As someone that gets up at 0505 every weekday, the answer is : late.

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typical woman ... probably spends all her day telling her hubby she is a master multi-tasker and then comes here moaning.

Mrs. HTD has it all under control - but then again she is German - One kid in Mittagsbettreuung on Mondays and Thursdays, one kid at friends house Monday Lunch, all kids plus friend from Monday home for lunch on Tuesday, one kid at neighbours house on Thursday at lunch and both kids at home Friday lunch + neighbours kid. Then she works 60%, 40% of which in Zug meaning that Mr.HTD has to get up at 07:00 to get the kids off to school on Mondays and Thursdays.

Can you imagine what it's like getting up at 07:00 in the morning?
Exciting stuff....but we're all really curious about what happens on Wednesdays??

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It's Jemma's Christmas plans all over again

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Exciting stuff....but we're all really curious about what happens on Wednesdays??

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It's Jemma's Christmas plans all over again

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Indeed !

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Exciting stuff....but we're all really curious about what happens on Wednesdays??

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Anything I might or might not say about what happens on Wednesday might be construed as being indiscreet
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No, I get up for swimming training at 0640 on first and third Tuesday of month; 0700 for cycling on Wed and Thurs. Alternate weeks is its raining, a lie in to 0715 for TaiChi on alternate Thursday when not cycling, and a 0530 start on Friday to chuck out an ugly bird on Friday mornings. I don't know how I cope to be honest.

Replies to this post should begin: "Oh Poor daveA ! I feel your pain, and you have my sympathy."

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Every weekend ? Yeah, but I'll bet you get up at 10.00 every weekday ?

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I agree, but today my daughter started at 7.30am and the first class was writing, then the second class was Gym, so why start so early, and finish so early
Bit stupid but probably teacher's preference rather than a logical reason.
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typical woman ... probably spends all her day telling her hubby she is a master multi-tasker and then comes here moaning.

Mrs. HTD has it all under control - but then again she is German - One kid in Mittagsbettreuung on Mondays and Thursdays, one kid at friends house Monday Lunch, all kids plus friend from Monday home for lunch on Tuesday, one kid at neighbours house on Thursday at lunch and both kids at home Friday lunch + neighbours kid. Then she works 60%, 40% of which in Zug meaning that Mr.HTD has to get up at 07:00 to get the kids off to school on Mondays and Thursdays.

Can you imagine what it's like getting up at 07:00 in the morning?

Excuse me the last time i looked this is a complaint corner so that is why i started the thread for help, and advice, i am NOT moaning, and yes 07.00 is late i am with you on that one Dave.
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