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Drug dealers at Lausanne center

Every single night, crowds of them, at the very center. In Switzerland, the country of strict rules, where everything works as expected. Or so they say. Quick googling yields:

https://www.thelocal.ch/20121107/pol...e-drug-dealers

To combat that problem, the police made a one-time raid on Wednesday evening where 100 officers checked the Lausanne center until 10:30 PM, to “destabilize their activities”. What kind of nonsense is this? A problem of that scale means there’s a channel through which a large quantity of illegal substance enters Switzerland. There’s a criminal network - or otherwise all those dozens of dealers wouldn’t be able to coordinate. There are suppliers, there are people who receive in place (probably very rich!), the dealers are just the terminal link of the criminal network.

You don’t solve the problem of that kind over a Wednesday evening with 100 officers by 10:30 PM checking the city center.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society...reet-/44177634

This one essentially makes a point that drug dealers on the streets is actually a good thing because otherwise the empty streets are scary. I have no comments.

So what’s the deal here? Obviously someone’s covering them, otherwise it would be impossible to deal drugs at the center of Lausanne every single night in outrageous numbers in plain sight. Or am I missing something? Or were drugs legalized in Vaud?
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Re: Drug dealers at Lausanne center

My first question was what drugs are they dealing, exactly. And then I read this, from your first link:

"Police dogs trained to sniff out drugs uncovered several caches of marijuana “conditioned for sale”, police said."

Maybe if they legalized marijuana, there would be less people selling it on the streets? The consumption of weed is pretty much decriminalized here in CH as it is. So open up some shops, legalize it and regulate it. This is what they've done in Michigan in the US. Or places like Amsterdam, where you don't see people selling weed on the streets because people can just go into "coffeeshops" and buy it and know what they're getting. Legalizing it would also put less burden on jails and, hence, tax money here in CH.

It's just weed. (If it was people selling heroin or cocaine, I admit, I'd have a different opinion).
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Or places like Amsterdam, where you don't see people selling weed on the streets because people can just go into "coffeeshops" and buy it and know what they're getting. Legalizing it would also put less burden on jails and, hence, tax money here in CH.
Oh, they do put it in coffee here too... but it's cocaine not weed!

https://www.nzz.ch/english/how-a-hal...ory-ld.1694872

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Well, I suppose some might think they go well together.

I never understood how anyone could enjoy cocaine. I've been around people on that stuff before, at parties (years ago), and they just seemed neurotic and insane.
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Re: Drug dealers at Lausanne center

Have you ever played whack-a-mole?

As long as there is a market there will be people willing to serve it. Legalising the soft drugs would do a lot to minimising the problem.

I’d go even further by providing addicts with their product (and counselling) under controlled circumstances, covered by health insurance. No Cartel or dealer could possibly compete and would soon find other markets.

Recreational users are more of a challenge, but solutions could be found for them as well.
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Re: Drug dealers at Lausanne center

Weed is hardly a drug, it's way less harmful than alcohol and way less addictive than average phone app.
It is time to stop wasting money on useless "war on drugs".
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I’d go even further by providing addicts with their product (and counselling) under controlled circumstances, covered by health insurance. No Cartel or dealer could possibly compete and would soon find other markets.
That's happening since the 90ies. See MethadonAbgabe, though it's no longer methadone only that gets dispensed I believe. That'll be a major reason why drugs are much less of a problem around here than in the US.

There were serious concerns last year that a shortage of legal supplies might wreak havoc with the dispense program and its participants, but that's been resolved recently.
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There were serious concerns last year that a shortage of legal supplies might wreak havoc with the dispense program and its participants, but that's been resolved recently.
By buying from dealers at the railway station?
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In Switzerland, the country of strict rules, where everything works as expected. Or so they say.
That's not based on being a police state, and it's not the same everywhere.
If those social conventions go out of the window for whatever reason, anything is possible just like in other countries.
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There are suppliers, there are people who receive in place (probably very rich!), the dealers are just the terminal link of the criminal network.
Weed is quite common. These days I get confused because the low THC one is sold and smoked almost anywhere.

Cocaine, as mentioned in the news shared by greenmount, is quite popular. Swiss cities are in the Europe top 10. However, from my personal experience....I have not seen people younger than 50YO sniffing here in CH. It's always a middle aged men trying to be cool They should get a sports car and skip the coke.
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Re: Drug dealers at Lausanne center

it is legal to posses 10 g of weed for personal use.
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it is legal to posses 10 g of weed for personal use.
If you want to get rid of the dealers they would make it legal to buy and sell small amounts as well.
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If you want to get rid of the dealers they would make it legal to buy and sell small amounts as well.
Yeah, or open dispensaries like they have in Michigan. My best friend lives there and can just walk in and buy it. She just needs to show an ID, to prove her age. They have THC gummies and edibles, too. To get the *really* potent stuff, I guess you need a medical marijuana license.

I know that if I was going to buy some weed, I'd prefer doing it at a dispensary rather than from some dude off the street. I guess there is a big problem here now where "weed dealers" are actually selling CBD weed and pretending it's real weed, since you can't really tell the difference from looking at it or smelling it. At least at a dispensary, you'd know what you're getting.
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it is legal to posses 10 g of weed for personal use.
Nope, possession of any amount is illegal, there's just no prosecution or punishment (aka fine) for up to ten grams. Consumption however is illegal, which is why some cantons still confiscate any amount you may have on you.
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Re: Drug dealers at Lausanne center

The legalisation may not necessarily remove drug the dealers if regulations and taxes make the legal option expensive.
https://alcoholstudies.rutgers.edu/c...-legalization/
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Cocaine, as mentioned in the news shared by greenmount, is quite popular. Swiss cities are in the Europe top 10. However, from my personal experience....I have not seen people younger than 50YO sniffing here in CH. It's always a middle aged men trying to be cool They should get a sports car and skip the coke.
I haven't seen that either, but I did have one friend here who divorced because of her husband's drugs addiction. Younger than 50, middle-class guy in a very well payed position and yet....So no, drugs are not harmless, especially the stronger ones. We don't need "a war on drugs" American style but we do need some better regulations to protect at least younger people from becoming the target of drug dealers as some hang around some schools...
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Re: Drug dealers at Lausanne center

Rather than a war on drugs we need a war on drug trafficking. We need to do things that get the black hats out of the business. If we set that as an objective rather that just locking up users and street dealers we may accomplish something.

Yes drugs are harmful, perhaps more so than tobacco or alcohol, but harm reduction is possible in a regulated marketplace. Selling recreational users a clean product, causes much less harm than letting them buy street drugs with unknown ingredients and dosages. We regulate tobacco and alcohol. Why not other drugs?
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Every single night, crowds of them, at the very center. In Switzerland, the country of strict rules, where everything works as expected. Or so they say. Quick googling yields:

https://www.thelocal.ch/20121107/pol...e-drug-dealers

To combat that problem, the police made a one-time raid on Wednesday evening where 100 officers checked the Lausanne center until 10:30 PM, to “destabilize their activities”. What kind of nonsense is this? A problem of that scale means there’s a channel through which a large quantity of illegal substance enters Switzerland. There’s a criminal network - or otherwise all those dozens of dealers wouldn’t be able to coordinate. There are suppliers, there are people who receive in place (probably very rich!), the dealers are just the terminal link of the criminal network.

You don’t solve the problem of that kind over a Wednesday evening with 100 officers by 10:30 PM checking the city center.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society...reet-/44177634

This one essentially makes a point that drug dealers on the streets is actually a good thing because otherwise the empty streets are scary. I have no comments.

So what’s the deal here? Obviously someone’s covering them, otherwise it would be impossible to deal drugs at the center of Lausanne every single night in outrageous numbers in plain sight. Or am I missing something? Or were drugs legalized in Vaud?
I feel you OP, I lived in Lausanne for a while and THAT side of the city I never liked. I come from a pretty drug-heavy Italian city and to be honest one of the reasons why I liked Switzerland is that you don't have, generally speaking, that crowd and piss-smelling dark alleys. I have witnessed that only in Lausanne. The story I've heard (and I don't know if true, just relaying) is that back pre-2018 the dealers were mostly in Geneva, but the police there started raiding them regularly and making their life complicated, so they moved to Lausanne. Again, not sure if true but I agree that a one-time raid does not solve the situation, there is something organically wrong with the dealer situation in Lausanne.

Note to the reader: I think most of you misunderstood OP. I don't see OP having made any statement about drugs in general. I am personally in favor of legalization of marijuana and I agree with what most of you wrote that legalization and regulation would be the most effective solution. Still, the problem exists, that walking around Flon or Chauderon on friday night is not a pleasant experience. Lausanne is a student town, students want to have fun. Just let them, but if you are a person who harasses passerbies and pees on the street on a regular basis because that's your workplace, then I'd be happier without you around, sorry.
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I know that if I was going to buy some weed, I'd prefer doing it at a dispensary rather than from some dude off the street. I guess there is a big problem here now where "weed dealers" are actually selling CBD weed and pretending it's real weed, since you can't really tell the difference from looking at it or smelling it. At least at a dispensary, you'd know what you're getting.
Yes and sometimes they sell fake weed with synthesized THC sprayed on that is highly toxic and dangerous. There were issues of that happening here in Bern during the pandemic and even one person died.

Germany is soon to legalize weed, here's hoping they allow Swiss people to buy safely over the border.
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The story I've heard (and I don't know if true, just relaying) is that back pre-2018 the dealers were mostly in Geneva, but the police there started raiding them regularly and making their life complicated, so they moved to Lausanne.

Nope, they may do raids but you can see city corners bustling with activity in paquis, around l'usine or plainpalais any evening.
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