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what a country !!!

Just happened to read the "guidelines" from my commune (listed below). In nutshell the dish antennas pollute the community and there is a need to obtain permission (perhaps justify why you need one; once you can see crappy cable service).

Hey what about asking all people to wear same cloths (some official brand), buy same vehicles , eat same food ...

I dont know what to say ...

====== copied from commune site =================

Toute installation d'antenne parabolique doit faire l'objet d'une demande d'autorisation. Adressez-nous votre requête à l'aide du formulaire pdf que vous pouvez imprimer, compléter et le retourner dûment complété à la Direction des travaux et urbanisme.

Nous vous invitons à prendre contact avec BLAH BLAH ou consulter leur site internet www.tvtservices.ch qui vous renseignera plus en détails sur leurs prestations. La solution du téléréseau intercommunal a pour avantage d'éviter la prolifération d'antennes multiples sur les immeubles de notre territoire.
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Old 04.10.2008, 21:57
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Just happened to read the "guidelines" from my commune (listed below). In nutshell the dish antennas pollute the community and there is a need to obtain permission (perhaps justify why you need one; once you can see crappy cable service).

Hey what about asking all people to wear same cloths (some official brand), buy same vehicles , eat same food ...

I dont know what to say ...

You mean avoiding something like this.....
[IMG]file:///C:/TEMP/moz-screenshot-3.jpg[/IMG]

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Re: what a country !!!

yeah...this is truly infuriating
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Re: what a country !!!

In Zug you just need to take a photo of your dish on your roof/balcony/terrace and submit it to the Building department.

We wanted to put one on the roof but we weren't allowed to as it changes the landscape for others looking over our place. Mounted onto the side of our roof terrace was no problem.
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Try camouflage:



Or art:

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Re: what a country !!!

It is a great country man!! My town has the same rule ...no ugly antennas polluting our beautiful landscape!!!
At one point I wanted a dish and then I heard about the rule, then I really thought about it and I appreciated it. We have digital cable now and I am VERY happy with it!

Sorry this upsets you so much, but really, there are worse things in life....

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That's terrible!

I remember seeing a council block of flats opposite MI5 in London that had more dishes than MI5 itself!!!
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I'm afraid I agree with this law. Dish antennas, especially in excess can look horrible and really bring down a neighborhood.
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Re: what a country !!!

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Just happened to read the "guidelines" from my commune (listed below). In nutshell the dish antennas pollute the community and there is a need to obtain permission (perhaps justify why you need one; once you can see crappy cable service).

Hey what about asking all people to wear same cloths (some official brand), buy same vehicles , eat same food ...

I dont know what to say ...
I know what you mean clean, safe, beautiful scenery....what a country...what was your question again
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You mean avoiding something like this.....
[IMG]file:///C:/TEMP/moz-screenshot-3.jpg[/IMG]
From a photography point of view, I find the dishes better that the old-fashioned arials. The arials nearly always stick into the skyline and many attractive old rooves are ruined by their sight. It's one of my pet peeves when taking photos around old parts of towns and cities. That along with scaffolding that stays up for years and the cranes.
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Re: what a country !!!

sure, i see the point; excess of anything is bad. And I am not mad (as I will NOT ask for permission bcz there are a handful of dishes in the neighborhood and I bet no one asked for permission) . Just that perhaps I dont see a point in setting up a "service" (and perhaps hiring a person to run it) whose sole purpose is to sort of "suppress" people and ask them to watch what ever TV is supplied by communal TV service.

Unfortunately, the few channels that I want to watch are not available with any digital / cable TV service in Switzerland.


I agree that this country is much better than many more; but being so advanced in one side and so conservative/primitive/suppressive on the other side is puzzling.

Anyways, I have my dish in my balcony, can watch all channels that I wanted to and dont give a heck about this rule (until off-course till they start to strictly implement it and start commune wide crackdown )
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Re: what a country !!!

Neerahi, I haven't lived here that long but I would bet you that those who have dishes around you have all asked for permission. That's how the Swiss are and when you come to a new country you have to respect the laws and regulations beyond all things.

I have lived all over the world and I can honestly tell you that Switzerland is the best country in the world and I could not even imagine where we could go from here that would be as perfect. Unfortunately, people need rules and regulations (as well as discipline and some compliance) for a country, nation and economy to work efficiently.

Yes, in an ideal world, everyone would automatically do the right thing but we do not live in an ideal world and thus require rules.

I lived in Malta for 3.5 years before moving here. Now there is a very unregulated country, if that's what you prefer. The people are laid back and happy, which is absolutely amazing but there is garbage everywhere, unfinished houses and buildings, lots and lots of dangerous safety issues and illegal hunting going on and nobody - not even the EU - can stop them. So being in Switzerland, I welcome this beautiful clean country, I will obide by the rules, pick up after my dog, not drive over the speed limit and should I decide to get a satelite dish in the future, I will certainly ask for permission.
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Re: what a country !!!

Neerahi, you'll learn but i fear in your case it may take time...
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Re: what a country !!!

Satellite Dish that isn't
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Re: what a country !!!

Wasn't there a thread on here before where someone was in the same problem, but it turned out that if you're using the dish to access television from your own country, that they have no rights to stop you putting one up?

Use the search function (I haven't the time right now).
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Re: what a country !!!

Remember that this is Switzerland and this regulation may well have come into force because of a referendum voted for by the local residents. It also follows that if enough people are unhappy with it then it could be changed.

Here you do have a chance to change things if you feel they are not reasonable.

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Wasn't there a thread on here before where someone was in the same problem, but it turned out that if you're using the dish to access television from your own country, that they have no rights to stop you putting one up?
Yup.

It was first mentioned in this post, but I'll summarise it again here.

It is a common misconception that other people (landlord, commune, neighbours, etc.) can force you to remove a satellite dish, or that you must ask permission before installing one.

There is a Federal law that protects your right to receive foreign programs by satellite dish (or other means) so long as the programs you want to see aren't already available through regular means (such as your local cable provider).

The law gives cantons permission to prohibit installation of satellite dishes in only two cases:

-when the protection of the landscape, monuments and historical or natural sites is required.
-when the desired channels can be received other than through an exterior antenna.

So unless your building is designated by the canton as listed or protected, no one (including your landlord and neighbours) can prevent you from installing a satellite dish so long as you are using it to watch foreign programs.

This is written in law 784.40 Loi federale sur la radio et la television (LRTV), which was last updated in April 2007. (Here's the law in German, French, Italian.)

Articles 66 and 67 are the ones pertaining to your right to free reception of programs, and the limited power of cantons to prevent installation of dishes except in exceptional circumstances.

I would imagine that this law would overrule the communal one that neerahi mentioned, but I'd be interested to hear the opinion of someone who knows a bit more about Swiss laws than I do.

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Re: what a country !!!

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Yup.

It was first mentioned in this post, but I'll summarise it again here.

It is a common misconception that other people (landlord, commune, neighbours, etc.) can force you to remove a satellite dish, or that you must ask permission before installing one.

There is a Federal law that protects your right to receive foreign programs by satellite dish (or other means) so long as the programs you want to see aren't already available through regular means (such as your local cable provider).

The law gives cantons permission to prohibit installation of satellite dishes in only two cases:

-when the protection of the landscape, monuments and historical or natural sites is required.
-when the desired channels can be received other than through an exterior antenna.

So unless your building is designated by the canton as listed or protected, no one (including your landlord and neighbours) can prevent you from installing a satellite dish so long as you are using it to watch foreign programs.

This is written in law 784.40 Loi federale sur la radio et la television (LRTV), which was last updated in April 2007. (Here's the law in German, French, Italian.)

Articles 66 and 67 are the ones pertaining to your right to free reception of programs, and the limited power of cantons to prevent installation of dishes except in exceptional circumstances.

I would imagine that this law would overrule the communal one that neerahi mentioned, but I'd be interested to hear the opinion of someone who knows a bit more about Swiss laws than I do.

Heather
Well, that's not completely true. the landlord can prohibit you to install a satelite dish. It's his property after all.
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Well, that's not completely true. the landlord can prohibit you to install a satelite dish. It's his property after all.
In fact, they can't. It's explicitly stated in the article I quoted here that the federal law protects renters, too.

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(Here is the original text of the article in French: pdf.)

Landlords don't have unlimited power to make rules, even though most landlords (and tenants) think this is the case. Tenants have rights, too, and although there are some things landlords may not like (such as the installation of dishes), there's not a whole lot they can do about it.

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Re: what a country !!!

The installation of a Satellite Dish falls under the 'Raumplanungsgesetz' (law of spatial planning?), which needs an approval of the appropriate authority.

But each Canton has the right to amend this law, so it depends where you live...

http://www.hev-aargau.ch/fileadmin/u...cht_praxis.pdf
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