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perhaps I should have asked, do you expect them to speak Berndeutsch oder Deutsch?
As Bern is a bilingual canton I'd be glad they could express themselves in French or German. I never would expect them to speak Bärndütsch. Don't get me wrong I don't have anything against foreigners. But I deal with people who have been living here for ten and more years and don't understand anything. I have lived abroad myself and know that life in a foreign country can be difficult, even more if you can't understand the locals. But come on, ten years in country without one single word of German or French?
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As Bern is a bilingual canton I'd be glad they could express themselves in French or German. I never would expect them to speak Bärndütsch. Don't get me wrong I don't have anything against foreigners. But I deal with people who have been living here for ten and more years and don't understand anything. I have lived abroad myself and know that life in a foreign country can be difficult, even more if you can't understand the locals. But come on, ten years in country without one single word of German or French?
I don't disagree at all. keep in mind, though, that learning German for many "foreigners" is an intensive investment of time (and often money) in learning a language that they will rarely ever hear. and neither German nor Swiss German (no offense to anybody) are especially portable languages in terms of job opportunities outside of Switzerland (unless someone is angling for work in Germany or Austria, of course).

from my view, I can't understand how anybody could live here beyond the 90-day tourist visa period without understanding at least the basics in the local language. of course, I also study both German and Swiss German in my "free time" and speak as much Swiss German publicly as people will suffer, and realize that peoples' definition of "the basics" can vary wildly (as can reception of people to imperfect German or Swiss German) - so I'm sympathetic to folks who decide to cocoon in their enclaves instead of really engage.

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As Bern is a bilingual canton I'd be glad they could express themselves in French or German. I never would expect them to speak Bärndütsch. Don't get me wrong I don't have anything against foreigners. But I deal with people who have been living here for ten and more years and don't understand anything. I have lived abroad myself and know that life in a foreign country can be difficult, even more if you can't understand the locals. But come on, ten years in country without one single word of German or French?
I wholeheartedly agree: we have friends here who have lived in France for 6 years permanently. They refuse to learn the language and those of us who do make the effort have frequently been asked to "help them out" with problems. They are [thankfully] selling up and returning to UK ["home" as they have always called it]. So just guess who has got lumbered with selling their extraneous goodies? Grand Piano, car wheels, headlamps, roof bars etc.] This has caused a huge amount of work answering emails, sending photographs. It leaves a nasty taste - one is tempted to say "never again".
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I wholeheartedly agree: we have friends here who have lived in France for 6 years permanently. They refuse to learn the language and those of us who do make the effort have frequently been asked to "help them out" with problems. They are [thankfully] selling up and returning to UK ["home" as they have always called it]. So just guess who has got lumbered with selling their extraneous goodies? Grand Piano, car wheels, headlamps, roof bars etc.] This has caused a huge amount of work answering emails, sending photographs. It leaves a nasty taste - one is tempted to say "never again".
I agree whith you, I met some people living here for over 8 years and didn't make any effort to learn the basic of German to communicate with local people. They decided that their children would feel better in an international school, because of the language, and lived here as tourist every day of those years.

I found that very sad, because I don't think it's worth to live in a country where you can not call home (unless you have a leaving date marked for sure).

Our son goes to the local school and in less that 3 years, he has learnt to speak fluent German, Swiss German, and even can difference between the dialect spoken up in the mountains and the one they speak in Zurich! It's amazing how quick the children pick up the language. Our neighbors are always telling us how good he speaks the dialect.( I'm sure they can't say the same about my hubby's or mine German ) but we try, and I can see they appreciate the effort we make when trying to speak German and some times dialect with them.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

Judith Margret, I agree entirely with you after today, at least it applies to my son school...what is the formal way to complain about school teachers here?Also they are very very rude... i can honestly say I am fuming right now.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

It is obvious that you used the search function - great job, not many newbies cotton on to that right from the start. Unfortunately, you have come upon a thread that was last active over 9 years ago, so it is unlikely that the people who were discussing the subject back then are still at the same stage of their life.

You give no indication of what is making you angry, so I'll just offer a general piece of advice: take a breath, remember that there WILL be two sides of this story and most people do not go through life with a great deal of awareness regarding the consequences of their actions. So it is unlikely that whatever happened was a conscious decision to cause upset. Even if it was, seek a dialogue with the teacher first. Teachers are humans too and if you can be the bigger person, you may find that you end up with an ally rather than an opponent. Directly "speaking to the manager" will likely not yield a favourable outcome, as much of what frustrates children (and, by extension, their parents) is highly subjective or a simple miscommunication/expectation mismatch. Understanding the person you consider to be at fault and seeing whether there is something that you can work on too is going to be better.

Again, this is just general advice based on the assumption that this is a one off event rather than a long-standing feud with an unhelpful teacher. We also don't know what age your child is; I don't have kids but I used to babysit children ages 0 to 12 and remember how dramatic the response to minor things can be. Of course, your child should always feel that you are on their side and that their grievance is valid while also remaining open to the idea that they aren't providing an entirely accurate view of things. The system here is very much based on the notion that the child has to be prepared for the road ahead rather than preparing the road to suit the child. That is not to say that there isn't roadside assistance available if it is needed.
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what is the formal way to complain about school teachers here?
On internet forums.

So, what's your complaint?

Tom
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On internet forums.

So, what's your complaint?

Tom
Reminds me of Little Britan's "Computer says Nooo....."

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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

my 2 boys in baden not far from zurzach had very good teachers, and both have very good jobs ,a lot better then me thanks to the swiss schools they have many friends of all nationals ,so i have never had any type of bullying maybe they had to much homework but thats life ,maybe this persons children have the problem,
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Judith Margret, I agree entirely with you after today, at least it applies to my son school...what is the formal way to complain about school teachers here?Also they are very very rude... i can honestly say I am fuming right now.
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So, what's your complaint?
This seems to be an angry but desperate cry for help with schooling for a child with special needs. See here: https://www.englishforum.ch/3308420-post19.html
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

As with many things i suspect it's cantonal. My eldest son has ADD/ADHD and we moved here 2 years ago. The 'bridge' school (focused on getting his German up to speed and him integrating) has been really good, offering him coaching and most recently a councilor to help him try to find a path here, which will be very hard for him. There are good people around, and you will find them

My youngest (13) has attended local school here for 18 months and has flourished here after an initially testing start.

As mentioned already, the system (and the swiss kids) want to test you out and see what you're like and prepare you for life. I'm lucky that my lad is a rugby playing smiley boy and took to the system very well. I know someone who's son crumbled in local school and couldn't handle it so they went down the international school route. I dont have the cash for that so i thank my stars the boys were ok.

I think Kittsters advice is v good. You will find good folk around and making complaints about people might not be the best way forward.
I wish you luck, it's not easy.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

The school system here is good if you get on the right track - but has drawbacks due to differences per Kanton and of course getting on the track that the parent wants or believes the child can achieve.

I have a child who had the support of an excellent primary school teacher who had to deal with a variety of abilities - including native languages. There was at least two kids in the class getting support as they spoke little German. The Swiss system makes this work.

It helps if you can communicate with the teachers effectively. Also like most things in life, you get more traction if you're pushy but polite.

The issue I can see is certain kids arriving at a certain age and going into the system will not get the Gymi path because they need the local language to be strong. I know of a child who made Gymi two years after arriving here - so it can be done.

I have different complaints about the system, schools and teachers but that would be very specific having dealt with a headteacher due to a bogus allegation of bullying (fuelled by a mentalist mother), I can say I've never met anyone so wishywashy in my life
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Reminds me I need to re-watch Little Britain again
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In my daughter's class a native swiss boy (both parents from the oldest swiss cantons, if I remember correctly) had to change for a private school in the middle of the fifth grade because of the conflicts with other school kids.
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In my daughter's class a native swiss boy (both parents from the oldest swiss cantons, if I remember correctly) had to change for a private school in the middle of the fifth grade because of the conflicts with other school kids.
Know of 3 Swiss-Swiss kids (by that I mean no immigrant background) too who switched to private schools (or rather, their parents did that for them), one definitely because of bullying, the other two simply because their parents thought they would do better there. Smaller groups etc. One is back in the public system after a couple of years though. So it's not like one has to decide once and for all.
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I have nothing but praise for the Swiss public school system. Both my kids are in the 'system'and are nicely growing into their chosen (with very positive counselling from the 'system') vocations.
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Know of 3 Swiss-Swiss kids (by that I mean no immigrant background) too who switched to private schools (or rather, their parents did that for them), one definitely because of bullying, the other two simply because their parents thought they would do better there. Smaller groups etc. One is back in the public system after a couple of years though. So it's not like one has to decide once and for all.
Cases like these shock me. I don't know any Swiss who go private accept wealthiest examples
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Cases like these shock me. I don't know any Swiss who go private accept wealthiest examples
They don't shock me anymore, even though I used to believe the Swiss would always opt for the public system even when they could afford something else. Just out of principle. Still valid for most I think.
Two of them are what I would call "wealthy", not "wealthiest". One - defo NOT. Just regular middle-class, intellectual folks.
I think mentality has changed a bit here like in other places too. Some folks would go out of their way to make sure the kid is thriving or at least doesn't have to deal with bullying etc.
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Cases like these shock me. I don't know any Swiss who go private accept wealthiest examples
Those numbers are rising, especially around public schools with many students with DAZ.
Or they do it like me and don't buy property in such areas, e.g. Oftringen.
 

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