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I totally agree that children learn a lot from playing but when they are ready to "learn" (and that is when parents feel that their kid is ready) and approach other things such as sensibilisation to letters or numbers, having a small educational program....then that should be possible...and its not the case here in CH.
Most 4-5y old children are ready--seen what they demand in a day...

I have my joungest 2.5 in a creche and some of the older kids are already 6(and I am glad my 4.5 daughter is in kindergarden!!!)and not going to kindergarden because parents want& decide to.
Then yes I think something is not right because they are mixed with very small ones. For socialisation it is OK.
But a 6 year old kid is not 100% stimulated being with smaller ones. Also educators dont have a special program for the older kids....they play the whole day...
Learning letters and number is also a game...Before 6 is the potential/interest/curiosity at his highest level...

Also after having played 2 years in kindergarden it is quite a big choc when they enter the 1st primary ....A slower approach (and earlier)would be better.
Then my original suggestion still stands - why not find a different creche? I know of at least two in the Zurich area which cater for older toddlers. Sounds to me that your older child's creche isn't offering a varied or stimulating programme. Find another place .
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

?? my older (4.5y old daughter) is not in a creche anymore..and that for a year now..She is in Kindergarden. My little boy is in the creche...and it is perfectly adapted to him since hes 2.5!

I was just discussing the point that learning by playing is fine but to a certain age...a kid needs also other kinds of stimilutation...
Here in CH, they tend to keep kids with less exposure to a real educational program till they go in Primary.
A kid "which may show some learning difficulties" at early age wont be helped and supported till he goes in primary...
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?? my older (4.5y old daughter) is not in a creche anymore..and that for a year now..She is in Kindergarden. My little boy is in the creche...and it is perfectly adapted to him since hes 2.5!

I was just discussing the point that learning by playing is fine but to a certain age...a kid needs also other kinds of stimilutation...
Here in CH, they tend to keep kids with less exposure to a real educational program till they go in Primary.
A kid "which may show some learning difficulties" at early age wont be helped and supported till he goes in primary...
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Then in Fribourg Canton the kids of her age (she is 4.5 and born in december...which is a bad birthdate to enroll) dont start kindergarden before 5 years 3 months old ..
From this it sounds like your child was being deferred entry to Kindergarten in Fribourg for another year. Sorry, it wasn't clear.

If your child is already in Kindergarten what is the problem? If you feel your child has learning difficulties why not talk to the teacher? It wouldn't be good to wait until he/she is older and in primary school.
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She did 1 year Kindergarden (half in France/ half in Switzerland in a private Kindergarden which wasnt recognised by the cantonal authorities)
So now I am in canton Bern because she at least can be enrolled there but first year...So she is repeating a year...

In Fribourg we would have waited one more year till august 2010!! for a first year Kindergarten....

So It is so complicated.....

Abroad she would continue her second without any probl....but here it is headbanging with all cantons having different rules/systems/age entry
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

judith,
when i moved to switzerland at 11 , i was thrown arse first into the school system and told to crack on. i got beaten up ( its just a fight ) i had my work trashed ( by the teacher ) i was given extra homework and told i wasnt welcome ( till they found out mum was swiss ) then once my work improved , so too did attitudes

during my first year i intergrated as much as i could , kept my head down and cracked on. i was called all the usual ,; englander , dummer englander , totsch (?), dummer siech etc etc but you know i learned far more in the swiss school than in any of the english ones i'd been to including one very posh public school.

to be fair the swiss called each other names , they called the germans names and esp the italians. but we all got on , just as you would in adult life .

i know its hard to see your young ones suffer and i abhor bullying , but its all preparation for adult life and children absorb and shrug off more than we think . for one thing they dont seem to take much to heart.

please try to keep it all in perspective and not worry too much . some of my closest friends are kids whom i went to school with in switzerland , and some of the other foreigners too; we all get on great.
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Nope it did not, when the teacher hit my child (she slapped him in front of the class) the board said that Switzerland agrees with certain amount of discipline in the classroom...
Hello Margaret,

I live in the UAE now but I lived in Switzerland from age 3 - 12. I must say indeed that it was a very traumatic experience. I lived in Kanton Zurich and Schwyz. I must say that I really respect the school system and I think they're teaching method is one of the best in the world. After Switzerland I moved to Canada with my parents and I entered a depression phase because everything they were teaching in high school in Canada in grade 8, I had already learned in grade 4 or 5 in Switzerland.
Having said that, all my teachers were formidable people and I owe them many thanks.

The children and the parents are the onest that destroyed my childhood.The very few friends I occasionally made could not come over because apparently iranians are 'dirty and unhygienic' ( a mother said that to my face when I was 8 years old ). I wondered at these swiss parents even at that young age. How was it that swiss people walk barefoot on the street and with shoes in their house and then the iranian mothers who scrub from day to night and freak out if you sit with your outside clothes on the sofa are deemed dirty? The level of ignorance, hate and discrimination was unbearable.

From my experience at least 65% of swiss are culturally ignorant.

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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

hi there, i am a bit new to this but i would like to find out about moving from scotland with my two kids (4 and 9 months). my husband is already out working and we have decided to go to switerland to stay, he is in birsfelden and i am looking for any info about schools and what i need to do. please help i am so confused.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

Hi R4chel, welcome from a fellow Scot. Schools here are actually quite easy, you just go to the loacal one. When you register for your permit they will sort it out for you and you will get an invitation for your 4 year old to go to Kindegarten.

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hi there, i am a bit new to this but i would like to find out about moving from scotland with my two kids (4 and 9 months). my husband is already out working and we have decided to go to switerland to stay, he is in birsfelden and i am looking for any info about schools and what i need to do. please help i am so confused.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

Poor you - if you have read all this you must be feeling rather negatively about your move. Both my boys are in the Swiss state school system and are quite happy and well integrated.

Your older son will be eligible for Kindergarten, which is now compulsory for chldren of his age group. If you choose to send him to the local Swiss Kindergarten he will no doubt be picked up for German lessons. Both my kids started Kindergarten without a word of German (or Swiss German) and both did well and felt at home very quickly. You can, of course, choose to send him to a private Kindergarten, bi-lingual or just English whatever is available in your area. Once you register at the Gemeinde (local Council) you will be given details of the Kindergarten and the area in general.

Despite how it may seem from reading this somewhat out-of-date thread, Switzerland is a wonderful place to live. I would never contemplate going back to the UK. From my point of view, any negatives are far outweighed by the positives. Welcome to the forum and to CH. Best of luck for your move.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

thanks ever so much for all your help. My husband is desperate for us to go out asap and the only thing stopping me was my daughters schooling but it seems to be fairly easy after all. hopefully be out there in febuary. again thank you all very much
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

Just realised that I somewhow automatically assumed your children would be male (just because mine are!!!) How bizarre! There are many threads on here about schools which may help you too.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

So lovely to hear some positives about the school system. I read loads yesterday on this site that worried me about the children fitting in. I have four children 7,5,3 and 2. I hope to move out to Vevey probably in February and am in the process of sorting out permits and location of schools. Are schools very closed to parents in general? The department of school seemed to imply it would not be possible to visit the school before commencing. Anyway thanks for the positives. I needed some reassurance that all will be fine!!
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

Hi,

I am now worried, I plan to move to Aarau area, in the next couple of months and have a 5 year old who only understands Portuguese, although I am English born and raised my family are Portugues and so is my husband, so we tend to use mostly the Portuguese at home.

This leaves me very concerned at how my son will be accepted at school and how they will help him adapt to his new enviroment.

Obviously I have to get him so German lesson before we go over but don´t think this will give him time to learn much, any ideas?
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Hi,

I am now worried, I plan to move to Aarau area, in the next couple of months and have a 5 year old who only understands Portuguese, although I am English born and raised my family are Portugues and so is my husband, so we tend to use mostly the Portuguese at home.

This leaves me very concerned at how my son will be accepted at school and how they will help him adapt to his new enviroment.

Obviously I have to get him so German lesson before we go over but don´t think this will give him time to learn much, any ideas?
I don't think you have much to worry. Aargau has a high percentage of foreigners and and kindergarten offer additional German for foreign kids, usually one to two lessons a week according to the knowledge of the child.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

What I have heard from people around in schaffhausen. Childern born to forgien parents do suffer. not necessarily in terms of mistreatment or racism or bullying. But systematically it becomes virtually impossible to progress to gymnasium. Even if they do, in University they have to be hyper-genious to survive the system.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

Kids can learn a different language and become fluent but the younger they start the better, I think your son has a perfect age to learn another language.

Here is some info on bilingual kids:

http://www.nethelp.no/cindy/myth.html

http://www.multilingualchildren.org/..._learners.html
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What I have heard from people around in schaffhausen. Childern born to forgien parents do suffer. not necessarily in terms of mistreatment or racism or bullying. But systematically it becomes virtually impossible to progress to gymnasium. Even if they do, in University they have to be hyper-genious to survive the system.
My son arrived here age 10 with no German. He is now at Basel University having done very well at Gymnasium. I think what some foreigners fail to take into account is that only 13% of kids will go to university here. Unlike the UK where it is 40%.

I suppose it is possible that he is a hypergenius, after all, he is related to me.

My elder daughter didn't make it to Gym, as she is not really academically oriented, but is enjoying FMS. My younger daughter is on target for Gym.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

We had some problems with our local school (VD), and we had to intervene with the school board, but my daughter finally left with the VSB grade achieved. We thought she would benefit from a private international school at that stage, but she hated it and insisted on leaving after a year. She then entered the Gymnasium at Nyon. She really enjoyed the public school, particularly with her fellow students and the social side, graduated with the Swiss Mat. and is currently studying languages at university in Berlin, and is now trilingual English/French/German.
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Re: Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools

After reading all the comments, on (Foreign Children in Swiss Public Schools), and thank you all for your opinions, experiences and views, but I have to admit as much as I want to be positive about our move over, the fact that there might be a chance of my 5 year old son going through any kind of bad experiences at school is unbearable, although he is a loveable, social little boy he is also a very nervous one, who tends to stutter and bites his nail when something upsets him, I so want to go ahead with our plans. Guess I have a lot of thinking to do.
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in University they have to be hyper-genious to survive the system.
Nonsense, I've known plenty of idiots who have survived and gotten degrees from ETHZ, EPFL, etc.

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