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I just got quoted 330chf an hour for 3 removalists, 40m2 of goods - with an estimated 'whole day' charge, and they charge at that rate for the drive from the depot and return, which I estimated as up to 90 minutes travelling time!
I think you were lucky. In 1976 (!) I moved from one flat to another which was about 400 maximum 500 m away. I had moved all the small stuff with my own car already so it was just the furniture. There were 2 removalists who took 45 minutes for the trip alone and I was charged Fr. 425, well that price included loading and unloading which I hadn't timed. Obviously they had had a drink somewhere during those 45 minutes. Of course, Geneva was probably more expensive than the rest of Switzerland.
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Old 16.04.2010, 01:36
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Many bulbs/lights have a guarantee. Philips for example print on the packaging of their halogen bulbs "Guaranteed 2 Years".

I staple the receipt to the packing card and shove them in a drawer. Twice now halogen bulbs have failed within a few months of purchase and Coop, somewhat surprised that someone kept the receipt and package, replaced the failed items free of charge...
I am glad to see I am not the only one who saves receipts. Unless I am given a separate guarantee card (Manor does this), I file the original receipts. You just never know when one might be useful.
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I think you were lucky. In 1976 (!) I moved from one flat to another which was about 400 maximum 500 m away. I had moved all the small stuff with my own car already so it was just the furniture. There were 2 removalists who took 45 minutes for the trip alone and I was charged Fr. 425, well that price included loading and unloading which I hadn't timed. Obviously they had had a drink somewhere during those 45 minutes. Of course, Geneva was probably more expensive than the rest of Switzerland.
My favourite cousine lived in Geneva and always told me that such prices in Geneva included a lunch in Evian and a dinner in Geneva ! beside the point that we agreed that the prices we paid in this country were robbery ! So, just take pride in having furthered prosperity along the Lac Léman
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Old 16.04.2010, 13:46
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I've always perversley admired the bare faced front that Coop/Migros Take Away counters have in charging chf 3.30 (I think) for a small bottle of water that you can buy at the store's ciggie counter, 10 feet away, for chf 1
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Old 16.04.2010, 14:16
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I am glad to see I am not the only one who saves receipts. Unless I am given a separate guarantee card (Manor does this), I file the original receipts. You just never know when one might be useful.
I find the print wears off the receipts after < 1 year. I go to file my taxes and look at my receipts and I care barely read them

Someone was needing G9 globes on an earlier post. Conrad sells 3 for CHF 8.

It is worth the trip. Excellent model train and toy selection too. We just pop in, get the globes and drive onto the Manor in Emmen for grocery shopping.
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Old 16.04.2010, 14:21
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I find the print wears off the receipts after < 1 year. I go to file my taxes and look at my receipts and I care barely read them
Photocopy your receipts and keep the photocopies (with the originals as well, if you're worried about retailers or the taxman not accepting copies). Photocopies don't fade with time, unless you use an antique fax machine loaded with a roll of thermal printing paper to make your copies!
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My favourite cousine lived in Geneva and always told me that such prices in Geneva included a lunch in Evian and a dinner in Geneva ! beside the point that we agreed that the prices we paid in this country were robbery ! So, just take pride in having furthered prosperity along the Lac Léman
I would call this cementing a dishonest practice and helping it to become a rule. But in a way it was my own fault in being so naive. Rather than accompany the removers on the drive to the new flat I had chosen to quickly walk there to make sure that no other car was blocking the entrance.

And then I stood there for three quarters of an hour twiddling my thumbs and wondering whether there had been an accident.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

This is largely counter-intuitive but there is most saving potential in all the small things we buy on daily basis.
Nearly everybody shops around when buying expensive things, but this is not where the biggest potential is. Some dynamic retail sectors have even managed to develop real competition in Switzerland (electronics, pc's etc.). It doesn't take much planning to know that light bulbs will eventually go bust, that you will need vitamine C, shaving rasors, cleaning products and so on.
Saving an average of 5 CHF per day amounts to almost 2000 CHF a year. This is actually much more then you could save when shopping around for things which you buy once every 5 or 10 years (furniture, TVs, cars).

Some say it's not worth the bother to be shopping around for small things, but I'd rather take the effort and spend that saved money on an extra vacation.
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Old 05.01.2012, 13:37
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

The Swiss consumer magazine "Beobachter" reported that a St Gallen professor suggests that due to lower sales tax (MWSt) and higher productivity, the prices here should be lower than in our neighbouring countries.

So where does the extra profit go? In the middle men's pockets apparently,

http://www.beobachter.ch/konsum/kauf...tlich-so-viel/
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Old 05.01.2012, 14:01
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The Swiss consumer magazine "Beobachter" reported that a St Gallen professor suggests that due to lower sales tax (MWSt) and higher productivity, the prices here should be lower than in our neighbouring countries.

So where does the extra profit go? In the middle men's pockets apparently,

http://www.beobachter.ch/konsum/kauf...tlich-so-viel/
I doubt that that's the whole story. If the middle men were making all that profit, it would show somehow, be it in their salaries or in their dividends.

But the article also mentions the density of shops, and I think that may be an important contributing factor.

Mostly when people from Switzerland go shopping in Germany they see some of the massive hyper-markets in places like Weil. Maybe that's creating a false impression of what shopping in large parts of Germany really is like. When I'm with my German in laws, they don't really have a density of shops or choice comparable to what I have here. There's a pricey butcher who closes at noon on Saturday and then there is a very run down and sad looking looking Lidl where you have to negotiate your way past the very aggressive alcoholics who besiege the doorway. And that's all the shopping they have within walking distance. Maintaining a dense network of smaller shops is obviously more expensive than serving a lower density of larger locations. So basically there is a cost to the luxury of being able to pick up groceries on the way home from work while walking from one tram to the other, rather than having to plan and organise a shopping trip that will eat a massive chunk of my free time.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Few weeks ago I a saw a sign for Wagyu beef entrecote outside a gourmet shop. Went in and thought the price was very nice ~45chf/kg. Ordered two small steaks: 160chf! As all the other meat prices were per kg, this was per 100g. Oh well, it was tasty..
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Nowhere is the density of shopping centres mentioned, maybe you should write to the professor. To re-cap:

http://www.beobachter.ch/typo3temp/pics/609892bc88.jpg
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The Swiss consumer magazine "Beobachter" reported that a St Gallen professor suggests that due to lower sales tax (MWSt) and higher productivity, the prices here should be lower than in our neighbouring countries.

So where does the extra profit go? In the middle men's pockets apparently,

http://www.beobachter.ch/konsum/kauf...tlich-so-viel/
There is an implicit assumption that prices are based on costs rather than on "what the market will bear".
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Old 05.01.2012, 14:20
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Nowhere is the density of shopping centres mentioned, maybe you should write to the professor. To re-cap:

http://www.beobachter.ch/typo3temp/pics/609892bc88.jpg
Nowhere is a big word ...

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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Don't get me started on car insurance!

My Car
Central London £700pa (CHF 1000)
Lugano CHF 2700???

Central London vs Lugano!!!!

Both quote from Zurich Insurance.....
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Don't get me started on car insurance!

My Car
Central London £700pa (CHF 1000)
Lugano CHF 2700???

Central London vs Lugano!!!!

Both quote from Zurich Insurance.....

And sorry to run salt into the wound folks, but in France €520
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Bought a northface jacket in the UK at Christmas not on sale at £175, saw the same jacket last night in Manor on sale for CHF 380 (approx £270),
ridiculous.
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Old 11.01.2012, 14:25
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Re: The price of consumables such as light bulbs

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Photocopy your receipts and keep the photocopies (with the originals as well, if you're worried about retailers or the taxman not accepting copies). Photocopies don't fade with time, unless you use an antique fax machine loaded with a roll of thermal printing paper to make your copies!
Now scan the receipts, give them a name, i.e. iron. lightbulb, laptop with date if today, 110112 or 11012012, laptop110112~2yrGuarantee. If high priced item might also keep a photocopy
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I get paid CHF95/hour for teaching English to adults here in Switzerland.

What do teachers of English as a foreign language get paid in Oz? In the UK my niece gets paid £18/hour. That's CHF29.90 an hour - or less than a third of what I get.

So, I suggest that comparing to cost of removals in Switzerland and Australia side by side in isolation is nonsense...
Um. In the UK and OZ, English isn't quite a foreign language...

I expect your students are of a business clientele? Whereas learning English learners in an English speaking country are possibly just learning so that they can fit in to society? Plus people in OZ and the UK don't pay for their own health care insurance directly as in CH. Not quite as nonsensical as it might seem on first glance.

Nonetheless, it sounds like you are doing well.
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Old 11.01.2012, 16:03
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

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Don't get me started on car insurance!

My Car
Central London £700pa (CHF 1000)
Lugano CHF 2700???

Central London vs Lugano!!!!

Both quote from Zurich Insurance.....
Some insurers charge higher premiums for foreign nationals. Don't know if Zurich is among them but I strongly suggest that you shop around. comparis.ch is a good starting point.
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