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Old 29.08.2012, 21:05
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

fact is, that i have at months end more savings than back in germany.
so i dont care, pay happily my groceries here. fin.

BUT: i wanted to print out something at my local print n copy shop. popped by with my usb stick and they wanted per pdf that they OPEN!!! 5 CHF for each "process". wtf??? 40chf just for 8 clicks? absurd, switzerlanded.
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Old 29.08.2012, 21:31
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BUT: i wanted to print out something at my local print n copy shop. popped by with my usb stick and they wanted per pdf that they OPEN!!! 5 CHF for each "process". wtf??? 40chf just for 8 clicks? absurd, switzerlanded.
From a cost perspective, it's probably reasonable. From a business perspective, probably not (or they should just refuse to do these kind of jobs).
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Old 29.08.2012, 21:46
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fact is, that i have at months end more savings than back in germany.
so i dont care, pay happily my groceries here. fin.

BUT: i wanted to print out something at my local print n copy shop. popped by with my usb stick and they wanted per pdf that they OPEN!!! 5 CHF for each "process". wtf??? 40chf just for 8 clicks? absurd, switzerlanded.
Were they opening it in hex and then "seeing" the code of The Matrix?
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Old 29.08.2012, 21:48
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Coop and Migros are cooperatives anyway and they other retail chains in Switzerland are not very profitable either. Many high prices for products in Switzerland are simply caused by international companies skimming the relatively high spending power.
You're kidding right?

Migros and Coop are running twice the profit margin of similar supermarkets in the UK!

The biggest cause for high prices here is profiteering importers, but Coop and Migros are a close second.

International producers see very little comparatively - the total insensitivity of end prices to prolonged, large swings in exchange rate is testament to that. Most of the extra cost of groceries goes straight into a few pockets, in Switzerland.
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Old 29.08.2012, 21:51
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You are absolutely right and this also explains why so many Swiss are desperate to go to Germany, Italy and so on to have a decent life!

(Could not find a sarcasm smiley.)
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Old 29.08.2012, 21:53
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You're kidding right?

Migros and Coop are running twice the profit margin of similar supermarkets in the UK!

The biggest cause for high prices here is profiteering importers, but Coop and Migros are a close second.

International producers see very little comparatively - the total insensitivity of end prices to prolonged, large swings in exchange rate is testament to that. Most of the extra cost of groceries goes straight into a few pockets, in Switzerland.
The biggest cause, the only cause, of high prices here is that we pay them
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Old 29.08.2012, 22:26
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9000 chf ...would never give it
You were referring to this old post:

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Price in Germany: 2,500 Euros (3,700 CHF or thereabouts).

Price in Switzerland: 9,000 CHF!!!!
The German price of €2,500 is now only CHF 3,000. Do you suppose the Swiss price has been reduced from CHF 9,000 as a consequence?

I thought not.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Yes i guess you are right, but over some things you simply dont have a choice...e.g. food, furniture etc..and if you bring from abroad customs might be waiting

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Old 30.08.2012, 05:57
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You're kidding right?

Migros and Coop are running twice the profit margin of similar supermarkets in the UK!

The biggest cause for high prices here is profiteering importers, but Coop and Migros are a close second.

International producers see very little comparatively - the total insensitivity of end prices to prolonged, large swings in exchange rate is testament to that. Most of the extra cost of groceries goes straight into a few pockets, in Switzerland.
I think you will find that in some cases, Coop and Migros are the profiteering importers to which you are referring.

Maybe,... I assume that the store branded items are imported by the mother corporations



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Old 30.08.2012, 09:52
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Oh, yes... And this shopping tourism is great because it forces Migros/Coop and so on to lower their prices again and again.
Actually there are Migros stores in Germany. They have the same products they have in Switzerland but price them marginally higher. These stores (well, at least the ones I visited) are very popular, with German shoppers perceiveing them as high-end Swiss quality.

Meanwhile there are also Aldis and Lidls in Switzerland and the prices are close to the German level. So it's not really the price differential alone that is driving cross-border shopping.

As for UK stores, remember that M&S did try and establish itself on the Continent and was even quite succesful for a while but then retrenched. Just going into a different country and taking the concepts of your home country doesn't always work. Also consider Walmart's failed attempts to enter the German market, and compare to Aldi's much more succesful entry into the markets of numerous countries.
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Old 30.08.2012, 14:28
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Yes i guess you are right, but over some things you simply dont have a choice...e.g. food, furniture etc..and if you bring from abroad customs might be waiting
... to take 8% VAT from you after you've claimed back 19+% -- I'd happily volunteer to meet up with Swiss customs on that basis.

The point is that Swiss prices are generally ludicrously high in comparison to EU prices, and that's with VAT included. The differential is even more extreme once VAT is deducted.
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Old 30.08.2012, 14:48
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Average income here is 6000 CHF, so prices are just "absurd" for people who come from countries there it's maybe 4000 a month or so.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I guess you mean 6000 (gross), or 4500-5000 net and ...3000 disposable if you take accommodation out...

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Average income here is 6000 CHF, so prices are just "absurd" for people who come from countries there it's maybe 4000 a month or so.
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Old 30.08.2012, 15:00
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I guess you mean 6000 (gross), or 4500-5000 net and ...3000 disposable if you take accommodation out...
if you earned 6000 (gross) equivalent in Germany, you'd have much less than 3000 disposable due to the much higher tax regime courtesy of Frau Merkel. So even with the same nominal salary, Germans have less disposable income.

Maybe you could argue that having a wasteful and inefficient state robs the private sector of so much money that they have to be efficient to survive with what's left, whereas having an efficient state with a low tax footprint leaves room for private waste.
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Old 30.08.2012, 15:08
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Doesn't matter if it's "net" or "disposable" or whatsoever. In general Switzerland is still one of the richest countries in the world and Swiss citizens get a much better bang for the buck than the rest of the world overall, from birth to grave.

Nobody forces anybody to live in Zurich or Lausanne which of course are much more expensive than the rest of the country. Zurich is like London in many ways. And nobody expects to get a huge apartment in Manhatten for 1000 bucks either. And so on.
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

Well i am about to live in lausanne area because this is where i was offered a job. The point about about switzerland being amongs the ''richest'' countries is a bit relative... but will not expand on that. But i do agree with you that nobody forces me or anyone to live in place A or B.

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Doesn't matter if it's "net" or "disposable" or whatsoever. In general Switzerland is still one of the richest countries in the world and Swiss citizens get a much better bang for the buck than the rest of the world overall, from birth to grave.

Nobody forces anybody to live in Zurich or Lausanne which of course are much more expensive than the rest of the country. Zurich is like London in many ways. And nobody expects to get a huge apartment in Manhatten for 1000 bucks either. And so on.
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Old 30.08.2012, 15:34
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Re: Absurd Swiss prices

I don't think it's relative if you look at the big picture. On the other side the big picture of course doesn't matter too much for people that just work here for a few years or so.
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Old 30.08.2012, 17:02
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Doesn't matter if it's "net" or "disposable" or whatsoever. In general Switzerland is still one of the richest countries in the world and Swiss citizens get a much better bang for the buck than the rest of the world overall, from birth to grave.

Nobody forces anybody to live in Zurich or Lausanne which of course are much more expensive than the rest of the country. Zurich is like London in many ways. And nobody expects to get a huge apartment in Manhatten for 1000 bucks either. And so on.
Your argument is that the Swiss get paid plenty, so they can afford to pay inflated prices.

The point everyone else is making is that prices in Switzerland are very high with no underlying cause. That is, someone (or many people) along the production-wholesale-retail chain is taking very large margins without providing additional value. Example: a box of washing detergent costs x in Germany, 1.7x in Switzerland. How much better than the German detergent is the Swiss detergent? Answer: not at all. It's identical. So why does it cost more? Because the market will bear the extra cost. But consumers in Switzerland get nothing more for the extra cost. That's the simple definition of a consumer rip-off.
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Old 30.08.2012, 17:11
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So why does it cost more?
because in germany the kaufland employee (cashier maybe) earns 900-1200euro net, while in zurich 3500-4500 net.
so from my perspective the coop n migros need to charge more to pay these salaries though i believe still they have a good margin.
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because in germany the kaufland employee (cashier maybe) earns 900-1200euro net, while in zurich 3500-4500 net.
so from my perspective the coop n migros need to charge more to pay these salaries though i believe still they have a good margin.
Wow, this thread is repetitious...

No it's not.

Although wages are higher, total labour costs are lower.

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