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Just for a change, you've all been trolled. The closest I've heard of the Swiss inventing something was the question "Wasn't Linux invented by a Swiss?" (the correct answer is a Finn). Basically it stems back to the creation of the Pascal language by a professor at UNIZH or ETHZ (can't remember which) back in the late 70s, and everyone liking to confuse it with their favorite tech du jour.
That language was called PASCAL, itself derived from ALGOL, that was the most used programming language for a while before being displaced by others.

He actually invented it not to be the leading programming language but as a teaching aid as he considered none of the available languages to be suitable for teaching from a didactic point of view.

His name was Niklaus Wirth. I met him on several occasions. He himself was actually quite modest about his contribution but others trumped it up. His standard joke was that Europeans called him by name (Niklaus Wirth) while Americans called himby value (Nickle's Worth).
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Re: The Switzerland inventing the Internet joke

I came across this ancient thread because I'm currently editing a text in which the author claims both the internet and the personal computer are Swiss inventions. This is the second time this year I've encountered this (from different writers) - the first time the author claimed the world wide web was a Swiss invention; this time it's the internet. As others have pointed out, for most people they're interchangeable.
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Re: The Switzerland inventing the Internet joke

Some swiss inventions, just for fun....:

- Cellophane
- Velcro
- LSD
- Instant coffee
- Zipper
- The bobsleigh track
- Doodle
- Robidog
- Ritalin
- Asphalt
- WC - Ente
- LCD Display
- Tunneleffekt-Rastermikroskop
- Electric toothbrush
- Programming language Pascal
- Valium
- Cortison
- Antihistamines
- Synthesis of artificial ascorbic acid to vitamin C
- Electric guitar
- Aluminum foil
- Helicopter
- First transmission of electrical energy with high voltage Three-phase
- Discovery of DNA
- Rayon
- Fuel cell
- Hygrometer
- First telephone answering machine
- Carbonated water (Schweppes)
- Araldit
- General theory of relativity
- first gas turbine
- Nagra, portable tape recorder
- High-temperature superconductivity
- The modern bike chain
- Birchermüesli
- dice sugar
- Blender
- computer mouse


Number of patents per 1 million inhabitants:
Switzerland 835
Germany 336
USA 112

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Some swiss inventions, just for fun....:

- Nagra, portable tape recorder
Just for fun...
Nagra comes from the polish word "nagrać", which means "to Record".

The one who invented it, Stefan Kudelski, was born in Poland, and only created it part of his student project in Switzerland, having spent most of his life abroad.

I have nothing against a migrant and all he brought for Switzerland. I just find funny how quickly some are trying to appropriate his work as "Swiss inventions".
It was invented in Switzerland' soils, fair enough. Does not make it Swiss.
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I have nothing against a migrant and all he brought for Switzerland. I just find funny how quickly some are trying to appropriate his work as "Swiss inventions".
It was invented in Switzerland' soils, fair enough. Does not make it Swiss.
Sure, great inventions are made by people. So how we can break down inventions to countries? Always the country where the inventor was born? Or the country who provided the possibilities like education, infrastructure, financing etc.? Or the country where the parents are born because they raised the famous child? Telsa was born Serbia, Einstein was born in Germany, educated in Switzerland, died in USA...
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Sure, great inventions are made by people. So how we can break down inventions to countries? Always the country where the inventor was born? Or the country who provided the possibilities like education, infrastructure, financing etc.? Or the country where the parents are born because they raised the famous child? Telsa was born Serbia, Einstein was born in Germany, educated in Switzerland, died in USA...
So you mean it's the result of an effective collaboration between a migrant and Swiss infrastructures?

Still, makes it less than 100% Swiss...

And what about showing, in your very accurate statistics, the propertion of which came from migrants or people with connections from other countries?

Unless of course it modifies your "hidden agenda"...
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Sure, great inventions are made by people. So how we can break down inventions to countries? Always the country where the inventor was born? Or the country who provided the possibilities like education, infrastructure, financing etc.? Or the country where the parents are born because they raised the famous child? Telsa was born Serbia, Einstein was born in Germany, educated in Switzerland, died in USA...
Tesla wasn't born in Serbia as Serbia didn't exist at that point. He was born in Austria-Hungary.

Unless that is, you account all land by the country that it is part of today.

But what then happens if an inventor was born on land that has since been flooded. Does that make him a maritime inventor?
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Old 04.09.2017, 16:16
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So you mean it's the result of an effective collaboration between a migrant and Swiss infrastructures?
No, i was asking how we should assign inventions to countries


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And what about showing, in your very accurate statistics, the propertion of which came from migrants or people with connections from other countries?

Unless of course it modifies your "hidden agenda"...
Excuse me?
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Re: The Switzerland inventing the Internet joke

How anyone could attribute an invention or discovery made at CERN to a single country It couldn't be more international than that apart from the international space station. Was Tims office even on the Swiss soil or actually in France?

At least according to the guy bellow the answer where Building 31 is located is:
http://davidgalbraith.org/uncategori...invented/2343/

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How anyone could attribute an invention or discovery made at CERN to a single country It couldn't be more international than that apart from the international space station. Was Tims office even on the Swiss soil or actually in France?

At least according to the guy bellow the answer where Building 31 is located is:
http://davidgalbraith.org/uncategori...invented/2343/
Nice one. And so "you" to find it

If CERN would have to keep every room in it's original state after something has been invented or discovered in it, it would soon be a museum only.
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Some swiss inventions, just for fun....:

I don't want to go through your entire list, but I fact-checked a few of the ones that stood out as being fishy. Here's my corrections:

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- Helicopter
That's a french invention, that an italian came up with.

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- Fuel cell
A Welsh invetion

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- Blender
A Polish invention.

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- computer mouse
Nope, American. Douglas Engelbart was born in America.

edit: A correction of my correction, I found that René Sommer "helped" invent the mouse by adding a microprocessor. I still find it dubious to claim it as a Swiss invention.

DNA is quite debatable.... but...

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I don't want to go through your entire list, but I fact-checked a few of the ones that stood out as being fishy. Here's my corrections:



That's a french invention, that an italian came up with.



A Welsh invetion



A Polish invention.



Nope, American. Douglas Engelbart was born in America, and didn't have any Swiss ancestors even.

DNA is quite debatable.... but...
It's so...


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Re: The Switzerland inventing the Internet joke

.....and all along I was told never to put an article before a proper noun. Especially in English.
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Re: The Switzerland inventing the Internet joke

Still for fun... :-)

Full Cell -> 1838, Christian Friedrich Schönbein, born in Switzerland

Helicopter -> Several people involved, also this Italian guy with the long white beard. :-) But also Henri Dufaux and Armand Dufaux, both born in France and both died in Switzerland. Patent made 1905 in Switzerland

Bender ->In 1950, Roger Perrinjaquet filed a "appareil ménager portatif" (portable kitchen appliance). According to the later manufacturer ESGE, the first bar mixer in the world was described.
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Still for fun... :-)

Full Cell -> 1838, Christian Friedrich Schönbein, born in Switzerland
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metzingen

Also from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell:
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The first references to hydrogen fuel cells appeared in 1838. In a letter dated October 1838 but published in the December 1838 edition of The London and Edinburgh Philosophical Magazine and Journal of Science, Welsh physicist and barrister William Grove wrote about the development of his first crude fuel cells. He used a combination of sheet iron, copper and porcelain plates, and a solution of sulphate of copper and dilute acid.[4][5] In a letter to the same publication written in December 1838 but published in June 1839, German physicist Christian Friedrich Schönbein discussed the first crude fuel cell that he had invented.
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Re: The Switzerland inventing the Internet joke

Forget t'internets and all that mundane stuff on the list - here's a new Swiss invention that has the potential to be truly life-changing:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/chocola...-ruby/43495122

A breakthrough by a Swiss chocolate maker expands the industry’s hues beyond just dark, milk and white.

Barry Callebaut AG, the world’s largest cocoa processor, has come up with the first new color for chocolate since Nestle SA started making bars of white chocolate more than 80 years ago. While it has a pinkish hue and a fruity flavor, the Zurich-based company prefers to refer to it as “ruby chocolate.”


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Oh wait... the article says that Germany's Jacobs University cooperated in the development, and the ruby beans come from Ivory Coast, Brazil, Ecuador...

So I guess it's a(nother) Swiss, et. al. invention.


But who cares how many fingers were in the pie, or whose flag they were flying...

Ruby chocolate. I want.
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Birchemuesli and ovomaltine and me ;-)
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Re: The Switzerland inventing the Internet joke

Velveeta and Swiss knives were invented by Swiss and that's all that matters.... to

And Helvetica.... I'd be out of a job without it.
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Still for fun... :-)
Full Cell -> 1838, Christian Friedrich Schönbein, born in Switzerland
aSwissInTheUS already covered this one. A Welsh guy beat a German guy to the punch. Nothing to do with Switzerland.

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Helicopter -> Several people involved, also this Italian guy with the long white beard. :-) But also Henri Dufaux and Armand Dufaux, both born in France and both died in Switzerland. Patent made 1905 in Switzerland
So we both agree this was a French invention, good I don't see how them dying in Switzerland or patenting it here makes it a Swiss invention.

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Bender ->In 1950, Roger Perrinjaquet filed a "appareil ménager portatif" (portable kitchen appliance). According to the later manufacturer ESGE, the first bar mixer in the world was described.
First hit on a search through google for "inventor of blender" shows:

"1922 Stephen Poplawski of Racine invents and patents a blender for use in mixing malted milk drinks."

Also: "In Europe, the Swiss Traugott Oertli developed a blender based on the technical construction and design style conception of the Waring Blendor releasing in 1943 the Turmix Standmixer.".

So a Swiss guy improved something that had already been invented. Seems like the same story as the computer mouse, if you improve something you have now invented it

And back to the original point, an English guy may or may not have been working in Switzerland (seems like his office is on the French side of CERN) when he invented the WWW, and for some that means Switzerland invented the internet. I see a pattern here
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Re: The Switzerland inventing the Internet joke

5 pages and still no joke about Switzerland inventing the internet.
all in all, a very disappointing thread.
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