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I usually do my best to follow and respect Swiss laws/traditions, but I draw the line at flushing/showering after 10pm. These are essential/basic needs.

Anyway, it's not a problem in my building as all our neighbors seem to do it, since I also hear it regularly. Our walls are concrete, but the toilet is next to the bedroom, so I can also hear my neighbors peeing (not flushing, but actually peeing ). But hey, when nature calls, you have to answer ...I don't blame them, I blame the lousy building for not having better walls .

However my 60 year-old neighbors yodel often (yes, they actually have friends come over and yodel ) which is nice, but not at 10pm under my kids room when they are sleeping ...they do shut up promptly at 11pm, I guess that's when quiet hours begin (I never really looked at our hausordnung)....I'd love to buy my own house and get away from this, but at 1 Mill CHF can't afford it ...meanwhile I just have to enjoy the yodeling and peeing sounds of my neighbors
A tremendous amount of information on this thread I am starting to get worried. We will arrive in Switzerland in about 10 days, and do not have an apartment yet, but will I have to interview the neighbours now first? Do you yodel? Do you pee a lot after 10 pm,,ha ha, this is crazy. Well, no matter what, I will go to the toilet when I want, that is for sure, and I will damm flush when I want. Shower, I will make sure everyone is done before 10pm.
We sold our house a year ago here in the US, and have been living in an apartment since then, no one really cares what the other one does. We are used to late showers, and flushing the toilet after 10pm. Our neighbours do the laundry on Sundays, and I admit I have to do the same sometimes if they come in after 10 pm and take a shower, who cares, I do the same sometimes. I think it still depends what kind of neighbors one has, but living in Switzerland should be nice, and fun, not stressful, that is why we are moving there, Public transport, safety, nice people,(?) I hope so, beautiful mountains,,ect. ect. We should not let petty things make our lives miserable, life is too short, enjoy it. If someone confronts me over something stupid, I will just reply, "Listen, I am from a country(SA), deeply troubled at the moment, with a lot of violence and crime, I fear for the safety of my family there, every minute of the day, so please, do not complain over silly things. I cannot afford a house in Switzerland, so I will have to make my life as pleasant as possible in an apartment.
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A tremendous amount of information on this thread I am starting to get worried. We will arrive in Switzerland in about 10 days, and do not have an apartment yet, but will I have to interview the neighbours now first? Do you yodel? Do you pee a lot after 10 pm,,ha ha, this is crazy. Well, no matter what, I will go to the toilet when I want, that is for sure, and I will damm flush when I want. Shower, I will make sure everyone is done before 10pm.
We sold our house a year ago here in the US, and have been living in an apartment since then, no one really cares what the other one does. We are used to late showers, and flushing the toilet after 10pm. Our neighbours do the laundry on Sundays, and I admit I have to do the same sometimes if they come in after 10 pm and take a shower, who cares, I do the same sometimes. I think it still depends what kind of neighbors one has, but living in Switzerland should be nice, and fun, not stressful, that is why we are moving there, Public transport, safety, nice people,(?) I hope so, beautiful mountains,,ect. ect. We should not let petty things make our lives miserable, life is too short, enjoy it. If someone confronts me over something stupid, I will just reply, "Listen, I am from a country(SA), deeply troubled at the moment, with a lot of violence and crime, I fear for the safety of my family there, every minute of the day, so please, do not complain over silly things. I cannot afford a house in Switzerland, so I will have to make my life as pleasant as possible in an apartment.
Frankly, I don't care where anyone is from... but if you are doing something that is culturally unacceptable then you had better prepare yourself for a less than "nice and fun time" with your neighbours. You might not agree, but you have to accept and respect the ways of the land.
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Frankly, I don't care where anyone is from... but if you are doing something that is culturally unacceptable then you had better prepare yourself for a less than "nice and fun time" with your neighbours. You might not agree, but you have to accept and respect the ways of the land.
I think you misunderstood, I know the rules of Switzerland, I have been married to a Swiss 20 plus years.I lived in Switzerland for a couple of years,,fortunately in a house, so the apartment rules are somewhat new to me. It is just ridiculous rules that drives me crazy. If I will need to go to the restroom at night, and hubby or son did not flush,,,big problems. I do not care what the rules are. It is . I love the recycling rules in Switzerland, it is a rule that makes sense,,,,,you see my point now?????This flushing of the toilet story, I am not sure if this is a cultural rule as you point out,,or is it? Anyway, we can always ask the neighbors if we can use their restroom after 10 pm, and then not flush because it is against the rule. I do not know why I am going on about this, it is not even important. I am sure we will not have any trouble at all, Swiss hubby trained the family very well, we are very obedient (kids and myself)
Follow the rules people, follow the rules, and stay out of trouble. Do they have a course we can take at Migros Clubschule for RULES TO FOLLOW IN SWITZERLAND? I might have to sign up for it, just incase.
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I would definately aplogize. There are rules in this country, and I'm always surprised at the 'gin tons and damn the natives' attitude that is still prevelant. You are a guest here and guests usually behave themselves. Living in a 'Block' has a string of rules, be it petty to some. You signed that you were in agreement when you signed the lease. It is just a matter of courtesy to your neighbours. When in Rome.....
Before I sign a lease I will make very sure about the rules,,and I will ask some very embarrasing questions,,,for example,,are we allowed to pee after 10 pm?
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A tremendous amount of information on this thread I am starting to get worried. We will arrive in Switzerland in about 10 days, and do not have an apartment yet, but will I have to interview the neighbours now first? Do you yodel? Do you pee a lot after 10 pm,,ha ha, this is crazy.
Even if you have good neighbors when you move in, it may be a new set of neighbors in 2 years (I read somewhere Swiss move every 2 years on average, and in my building, it seems to be about right).

...as for the flushing after 10pm in my building, I never asked, everyone seems to do it, so we just "go with the flow" ...we can even hear our neighbors 2 floors up having sex after midnight (well, I assume that's why she's screaming "Oooohhh jaaaa!" at the top of her lungs ), but I haven't complained about that to anyone either, I'll chalk that up along with peeing in the "natural urges" category and let it slide
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Before I sign a lease I will make very sure about the rules,,and I will ask some very embarrasing questions,,,for example,,are we allowed to pee after 10 pm?
Just make sure you knock on your new neighbours' doors and introduce yourself (and invite them for all for a welcome party in your apartment). Then if there is an occasion when something is not right, it will be easier for you and them to sort it out. I didn't know this custom of actually greeting the neighbours on arrival; I just assumed I would bump in to them at some point. After all, they are neighbours. But after 2 years, I have never seen my immediate neighbours (although I definitely hear them, so I know they exist)! Apparently not introducing oneself means that you want to keep your privacy. But what if I do bump into them? Is it too late to say 'hi, I have been living here for two years, pleased to meet you'?
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Well guys,

My husband who is a swiss plumber was astounded with the amount of gurgling 'drainage' noises in Australia when we lived there.... I think it is just what the people here are used to and whether they are bored or not. Most people are fine. Out next door neighbour is a great guy and doesn't care what we do, but I have heard that the people who lived in our apartment before moved out because their 10 year old made 'noise' and the woman below used to bang on the walls too. I didn't know about the after 10pm shower thing either, but I have only ever disobeyed that rule when I've been out in a smoke filled environment and HAVE to have a shower cause I stink of cigarette. Swiss buildings are built much better and the noise is quite minimal, but people will be people no matter where you go in the world and there is always someone willing to complain. My advise is apologize with a nice letter and a box of chocolates and simply explain that you didn't realize it was a problem until you asked someone.

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....I have never seen my immediate neighbours (although I definitely hear them, so I know they exist)! Apparently not introducing oneself means that you want to keep your privacy. But what if I do bump into them? Is it too late to say 'hi, I have been living here for two years, pleased to meet you'?
I seem to be in the same situation...
I finally decided to ring the bell of my neighbour and introduce my self (after living there for 6 months )

Best part was that he speaks only german and my conversational skills in german have (frankly speaking) a long way to go.
After that fiasco of an introduction I have not managed to muster up courage to introduce my self to other people in the appartment(who are not on my floor
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Swiss buildings are built much better and the noise is quite minimal,
Maybe modern ones are well built for noise insulation but the older ones are absolutely appalling.

I was in an apartment block constructed in the 1950s and you could hear people sneeze in the next apartment.
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Well, even though I have been a member here a while, I came to this thread as a result of a google search, resulting from problems with new neighbours.

I have lived in this apartment for about 3 years now, in the town centre of oerlikon (zurich). It's a very noisey apartment generally, especially outside because trams go past right outside the window every few minutes. Also above me is a single old guy who occasionally gets smashed and plays alsorts of music full volume in the middle of the night (like 2am ) Personally, I couldnt care less and sometimes hum along to the tunes whilst in my sleep.

So basically, Ive never had a problem with noise in this apartment because it's noisey outside and I have some noisey neighbours.

Well, in the last week or so, there must have been a new neighbour moved in on the same floor, because now when I try to watch the tv late at night, he immediately bangs (REALLY HARD) on the wall. Clearly his bedroom is right on the other side of the wall where my TV and speakers are.

The thing is, the point at which he will stop banging on the wall is the point that the TV becomes inaudible to me (and my ears work just fine).

But still, nearly every night this week he's been banging on my wall at some point and I really do try to be as quite as possible. I hate confrontation with neighbours and prefer an easy quiet life.

So having read this thread, I decided the most prudent course of action would be to swallow my pride, eat a huge piece of humble pie, and go introduce myself and apologise like crazy.

So thats what I did at 9:30am this morning. I knocked on the door, asked if he spoke english (which he did, a bit, i dont speak german too good yet), and then gave him my most sheepish look and apologised profusely, in both english and bad german.

I didnt want to apologise tbh, because I never have the TV on loud. Basically, he hits the wall as soon as the TV is audible to me sitting just a few meters away from it. The TV volume is always as low as I can get away with anyway and he STILL bangs on the wall.

Anyway, Im buying expensive wireless headphones today and plan to use them as soon as I watch TV in the evening.

I'd rather adjust my practices, even if it means I'm giving in to his unreasonable demands, than have an all out war with my neighbours.

Funny Ive not had this problem before now. I always thought I was as quiet as a mouse until this fussy git with what must be superman-like ears, moved in next door. The sound proofing in this apartment I would say is pretty good. I only generally hear excessive noise from other neighbours, so how he hears my TV when the volume is really low, I don't know. He must be the lightest sleeper on the planet!!

Anyway, he accepted my apology gracefully and even looked a bit guilty for having bashed on the wall several nights in a row. But I apologised repeatedly and explained I'm going to use headphones from now on and finished the conversation with both of us smiling and being friendly towards each other which I take as a good sign. If I can resolve this amicably, then I will be happy.

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Well, even though I have been a member here a while, I came to this thread as a result of a google search, resulting from problems with new neighbours.

I have lived in this apartment for about 3 years now, in the town centre of oerlikon (zurich). It's a very noisey apartment generally, especially outside because trams go past right outside the window every few minutes. Also above me is a single old guy who occasionally gets smashed and plays alsorts of music full volume in the middle of the night (like 2am ) Personally, I couldnt care less and sometimes hum along to the tunes whilst in my sleep.

So basically, Ive never had a problem with noise in this apartment because it's noisey outside and I have some noisey neighbours.

Well, in the last week or so, there must have been a new neighbour moved in because now when I try to watch the tv late at night, he immediately bands (REALLY HARD) on the wall. Clearly his bedroom is right on the other side of the wall where my TV and speakers are.

The thing is, the point at which he will stop banging on the wall is the point that the TV because inaudible to me (and my ears work just fine).

But still, nearly every night this week he's been banging on my wall at some point and I really do try to be as quite as possible. I hate confrontation with neighbours and prefer an easy quiet life.

So having read this thread, I decided the most prudent course of action would be to swallow my pride, eat a huge piece of humble pie, and go introduce myself and apologise like crazy.

So thats what I did at 9:30am this morning. I knocked on the door, asked if he spoke english (which he did, a bit, i dont speak german too good yet), and then gave him my most sheepish look and apologised profusely, in both english and bad german.

I didnt want to apologise tbh, because I never have the TV on loud. Basically, he hits the wall as soon as the TV is audible to me sitting just a few meters away from it. The TV volume is always as low as I can get away with anyway and he STILL bangs on the wall.

Anyway, Im buying expensive wireless headphones today and plan to use them as soon as I watch TV in the evening.

I'd rather adjust my practices, even if it means I'm giving in to his unreasonable demands, than have an all out war with my neighbours.

Funny Ive not had this problem before now. I always thought I was as quiet as a mouse until these gits moved in next door.

Anyway, he accepted my apology gracefully and even looked a bit guilty for having bashed on the wall several nights in a row. But I apologised repeatedly and explained I'm going to use headphones from now on and finished the conversation with both of us smiling and being friendly towards each other which I take as a good sign. If I can resolve this amicably, then I will be happy.
Life in Switzerland is very much about a battle of wills with those around you.

Whilst I appreciate your decision to capitulate on this matter in the interests of good neighbourliness, you should realise that you have now put yourself in the position of submitting to this guy's (on the face of it) quite unreasonable expectations. You can probably expect many more incidents in the future of this neighbour making unreasonable demands of you.
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These rules are in my contract, but it depends on the people around you.

In my place, I have a Portuguese family above me with kids that run around and play ball (my windows rattle), on the ground floor is a Turkish Jazz musician that smokes his inspiration weed so intensely there's a perpetual smell around the house, opposite me are two young guys, below them a Swiss guy that fights with his Russian wife so bad the cops get called, immediately below me was a young Italian guy that played guitar and sang his "Amore" songs (I joined in on Bass guitar from my flat occasionally).

Basically, everything was great. People did what they wanted.

Then the Italian guitarist moved out and a retired Swiss guy moved in, and everything changed.

He banged on walls and complained to the Treuhand that rent out our apartments. Soon, everybody was compelled to comply to the terms of the contract.

A real shame.
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I also believe it depends on the neighbors. We always shower late and flush, if we must during the night. I do laundry on Sundays.
It really depends on the neighbors, and the building. We are pretty lucky, very quiet neighbors.
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Life in Switzerland is very much about a battle of wills with those around you.

Whilst I appreciate your decision to capitulate on this matter in the interests of good neighbourliness, you should realise that you have now put yourself in the position of submitting to this guy's (on the face of it) quite unreasonable expectations. You can probably expect many more incidents in the future of this neighbour making unreasonable demands of you.
Yup, I do realise that, but he is around my age (37) and seemed genuinely satisfied with my apology and grateful that I was going to use headphones. He wasn't in any way belligerent or stand-offish and seemed to appreciate me talking to him about it..

If I listen to my TV through the headphones from now on at night, then if he still finds fault, he'll be introduced to the less charismatic side of my personality. I'm willing to fight against someone taking the ****, but only as a last resort after friendly means of communication have failed.
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Yup, I do realise that, but he is around my age (37) and seemed genuinely satisfied with my apology and grateful that I was going to use headphones. He wasn't in any way belligerent or stand-offish and seemed to appreciate me talking to him about it..

If I listen to my TV through the headphones from now on at night, then if he still finds fault, he'll be introduced to the less charismatic side of my personality. I'm willing to fight against someone taking the ****, but only as a last resort after friendly means of communication have failed.
If he's only 37 or so it's even worse that he apparently feels the need to start banging furiously on the wall every time the TV reaches a level that you are able to hear in your apartment!

One of the things that always disappointed me about Switzerland was that tolerance and consideration just wasn't ingrained in the psyche of society.

Unwavering adherence to the rules - sure. But acting in a manner that showed human empathy for others and a bit of tolerance - generally not. The rules were what counted. Any dispute about something that fell outside of the rules boiled down to a question of who had the stronger will and people could have entirely unreasonable expectations.

A lot depends on your neighbours. I had quite decent ones around me so for the most part I had an easy time. There was one old Swiss woman in the house who made life hell for everyone else though but luckily she didn't live anywhere adjacent to me so I didn't come into conflict with her that much. A mate however lived in an apartment block more or less surrounded by old people and a totally intolerant tw@t downstairs. His 'apartment life' was considerably more fraught with irritations.
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Re: after 22h one cannot take a shower in zurich?

yup me also faced some problems regarding this matter..but as everyone says it all depends on the neighbours..living around us..thank god now am living in a little bit noisy neighbours so nobody have much problems in making noise or playing music loud or flushing..after 11..
but last aprt i faced a little bit of problems in washing on sundays and talking a little bit louder on the corridors on sundays..ma god...little bit of fussy rules around here in swiss..no hurt feeling maa swiss friends out here...i still love swiss a lot....
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Meenu, please it's Switzerland.
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Too bad it is true! I have had complaints about showering after 22h00...and they do not come come to you directly...no the call the 'Verwaltung' from which I received a letter...too bad it is the hypocrit attitude of the swiss..

The are a bunch of reformed idiots, especially in the german speaking part.
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Gosh I am glad you're not generalizing things
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