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Old 23.07.2008, 15:45
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The negative things are the new foreigners who come to Switzerland, find a forum and start posting complaints and asking for negative things about Switzerland, thereby enforcing their mental models about this paradise which also has her own negative points and bad people.

All places are the same. Locals and foreigners differ in many many ways.
We learn to live and let live.

THAT is the best way to go ahead and adopt this place as your "new home".
When one looks for bad things, they see bad things.
Is this half full or half empty, you and only you decide.

Good luck.

HAT

Perhaps I'm just in "troll" mode today? Seriously Hat, I left my home country over 15 years ago and I have lived in 4 different countries since doing so, I think I'm quite good at living and letting live. I am not simply looking for things to complain about, I'm simply interested in what others find annoying or quaint or amusing about this place, I am not trying to enforce my view on anyone. If that's how you felt about my OP then I apologise.

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Old 23.07.2008, 15:46
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Re: negative stuff about life in Switzerland

Ok, now let me think about something i can say negative about Switzerland...........Nope,cant think of anything.

Alright so i had to have a bit of councilling at the beginning when i realised that Bacon sandwiches would never be the same again but once i got over that it was up hill all the way
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Living in Switzerland is great. No need to get misty-eyed about the flowers , scenery and lake-views (for those posh enough to have such a thing).
The manifestations have been done-to-death in other threads many times before, but if I had to choose one thing it would be the inability of many people living here to show any initiative; deal with exceptions; take a chance or think outside-the-box. That permeates* into many aspects of life here, and you ability to adapt and roll-with-it will be a prime factor in determining whether your time here is a success.

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Old 23.07.2008, 15:51
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Re: negative stuff about life in Switzerland

You cant buy "Turorudi" and "kakaoscsiga" here.


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I'm sure that many on this forum would agree that there's much to thankful for about the quality of life that can be had in Switzerland, nevertheless I'm also sure that there are plenty of things that get on your nerves. What's the biggest cause of disatisfaction with living here?
Some of my favourites include the unnecessary adherence to pointless rules; the belief that everything Swiss is somehow per se better than anything non-Swiss in origin and the blaming the foreigners (especially ex Balkan area) for all crime.
Please don't misunderstand, I don't want to start a thread about "life in the UK or wherever is so much better", I like being in Switzerland, it's a good place to live. The same discussion thread could be held about life in the UK or wherever, what get's your goat about Switzerland?
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I find there is never enough free beer...
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Re: negative stuff about life in Switzerland

Er, I have no idea what they are but I'd agree with you.

Permeates - sort of slips of the tongue doesn't it? Cheers to Dave for the suggestion
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Old 23.07.2008, 16:09
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Perhaps I'm just in "troll" mode today? Seriously Hat, I left my home country over 15 years ago and I have lived in 4 different countries since doing so, I think I'm quite good at living and letting live. I am not simply looking for things to complain about, I'm simply interested in what others find annoying or quaint or amusing about this place, I am not trying to enforce my view on anyone. If that's how you felt about my OP then I apologise.

Shure, apologies accepted (although I wasn't asking for one).
And I was not saying this type of foreigner is you.


Main bad thing here is: swiss german conversations from the local guys (neighbours) who cannot or will not speak english or high german with you, even if they could.

That is my "contribution" to the list you are collecting.

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Re: negative stuff about life in Switzerland

Stating the obvious: but no where is perfect.

I have not been here very long but I get the impression that there are a lot of lonely, isolated people here. That is sad. Thats a negative. But then I am reassured when summer comes around, the sun comes out and suddenly there are things going on everywhere, people getting together.

But sometimes I can't help wondering, 'where is everyone?'. Is it nationwide nuclear bunker drill day or something and I missed it. THe streets and pavements, can appear empty, like ghost towns. Am I missing something? Or maybe thats the only winter and everyone is up in the mountains skiing apart from me.

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Old 23.07.2008, 16:20
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Stating the obvious: but no where is perfect.

I have not been here very long but I get the impression that there are a lot of lonely, isolated people here. That is sad. Thats a negative. But then I am reassured when summer comes around, the sun comes out and suddenly there are things going on everywhere, people getting together.

But sometimes I can't help wondering, 'where is everyone?'. Is it nationwide nuclear bunker drill day or something and I missed it. THe streets and pavements, can appear empty, like ghost towns. Am I missing something? Or maybe thats the only winter and everyone is up in the mountains skiing apart from me.

My musing on a warm sleepy afternoon... trying to stay awake.
When they see you, they all dig a hole and jumped into it.
Kidding...

Streets are empty now, because it is summer school holidays and most people are in Spain or other sunny places.
In winter, most people are indoors (working or typing furiously away in the internet forum) or up in the mountains skiing or trying to ski.

Why waste time on the streets?

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get's your goat about Switzerland?
I was going to contribute to this discussion and then realised I don't have a goat.

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Streets are empty now, because it is summer school holidays and most people are in Spain or other sunny places.
You mean Switzerland is not sunny enough? How dare you suggest that places other than Switzerland might be sunnier!

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Why waste time on the streets?
I like it quiet!

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what get's your goat about Switzerland?
I was going to contribute to this discussion and then realised I don't have a goat.
I admit that I should not have contributed, although I have a goat it remains in within close vicinity of Uster.
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Old 23.07.2008, 16:32
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the belief that everything Swiss is somehow per se better than anything non-Swiss in origin...
never had that experience... do you speak german? im wondering how you get this impression when not speaking german/swiss german? (i dont talk only about you as louis, but other do generalize stuff not understanding people and im wondering where some ideas come from...)
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You cant buy "Turorudi" and "kakaoscsiga" here.
Do you mean as in the Hungarian? If so where? Kösz!
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Stating the obvious: but no where is perfect.

I have not been here very long but I get the impression that there are a lot of lonely, isolated people here. That is sad. Thats a negative. But then I am reassured when summer comes around, the sun comes out and suddenly there are things going on everywhere, people getting together.

But sometimes I can't help wondering, 'where is everyone?'. Is it nationwide nuclear bunker drill day or something and I missed it. THe streets and pavements, can appear empty, like ghost towns. Am I missing something? Or maybe thats the only winter and everyone is up in the mountains skiing apart from me.

My musing on a warm sleepy afternoon... trying to stay awake.
Swiss social patterns are event-based. The Swiss will rarely admit to doing nothing. Therefore they "do stuff" together and don't generally meet without an activity or agenda planned. Consistency is key, therefore if you take up squash for example on Wednesdays (or Footie on Sundays) it should be EVERY Wednesday (unlike Talacker drinks).

Hence Stammtisch etc. for regulars. Someday I'll learn how to keep my diary filled (when I get a diary that is).

Happy integrating
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never had that experience... do you speak german? im wondering how you get this impression when not speaking german/swiss german? (i dont talk only about you as louis, but other do generalize stuff not understanding people and im wondering where some ideas come from...)
Hi, yes I do speak fluent German but Hochdeutsch, my Swiss German isn't good, I can understand Zürideutsch but Bern is tricky. All generalisationsa re fraught with danger, as an example of what I meant I could use the recycling idea. It makes sense to have collection points for bottles, clothing, tins and waste oil but why can't they have collection containers for paper and cardboard? They do in Germany but when this topic is discussed with some Swiss they insist that the Swiss system is far better - even though it may mean piles of neatly wrapped up paper being left on the pavements, sometimes for days. Containers just seemed to make more sense to me.
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Re: Why I HATE Switzerland.

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I admit that I should not have contributed, although I have a goat it remains in within close vicinity of Uster.
Can you get it? Your goat I mean.
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I am not simply looking for things to complain about, I'm simply interested in what others find annoying or quaint or amusing about this place
I have found (in decreasing abundance) complaints, annoyances, quaint/amusing things about CH in the complaints section. i would submit to that list, positive, constructive, helpful and creative suggestions about integrating into life here, but these suggestions rank a lil lower on that list. but they're there alrite
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Isn't it funny how they stand and wait for the green man to tell them when it's OK to cross the road? Sometimes people stand there for ages when theres no traffic coming, waiting for the green man. It doesn't get on my nerves, I just think It's funny.
When there is no traffic, I only wait for the green man when a child is also waiting. They often copy the behaviour of adults and to walk while it's still red could be dangerous for them cause they are not always able to assess situations correctly...
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Re: Why I HATE Switzerland.

I must say I love living in Switzerland - the outdoor life here is amazing and I have not had a bad experience with a local, all have been patient with my limited french. But the main thing is that I have quite a few friends here and I believe that makes a place and not having friends breaks a place. It doesnt matter whether you have a beautiful house in the city with amazing views, it doesn matter. If you have noone to chat to then it means nothing. Maybe get to know people on here and then meet up or something.

The post below seems like a good idea and when it kicks off Im sure it will change your Switzerland experience for the better.

Inter-city EF Events: feedback wanted for a "put up an EFer" idea
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