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I have always been asking myself this question since there are so many young talented people. Why wouldn't they try to enter some kind of painting contests and exibitions to demonstrate their skills instead of public edifices...
I asked this myself. When I was in New York there was a graphic design competition being run by some major design company. I asked a fella I knew who was into it at the time why he wouldn't just enter the competition and be in the running for 5,000 for winning?
Then he showed me the small print. Every single piece that was submitted became the property of the sponsoring company, and could be used in any way by them without having to credit the artist.

Granted this was just one competition, but I wouldnt be surprised if alot of them are run that way.
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Old 12.08.2009, 11:36
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Frankly, I cannot catch a diffference between upper two pics..
umm, juggler, on unicycle, balancing on the cable as the wire

excellent piece, thanks for posting.
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This is the best one I have ever seen:


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Old 12.08.2009, 14:42
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this thread is so old school!

it is as its been discussed already...in another thread in here...




some people choose different

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Old 12.08.2009, 15:15
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Re: Graffiti

Look what some hoodlums did to a building here in Luzern!



I'm not a fan of tagging, but I don't notice it here as much as back in the UK.

I do like a lot of graffiti, it adds something to places that are usualy dull. All the stuff along the traintracks you see as you pull in to Basel SBB comes to mind.

For more street art around the world, I always check Wooster Collective.
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yup. Like this one for example:

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Re: Graffiti

I'm reading here in my course about Graffiti offenders, this:

In recent decades, graffiti has become an entensive problem, spreading from the largest cities to other locales. Despite the common association of graffiti with gangs, graffiti is widely found in jurisdictions of all sizes, and graffiti offenders are by no means limited to gangs.

Because of its rising prevalence in many areas - and the high costs typically associated with clean-up and prevention - graffiti is often viewed as a persistent, if not an intractable, problem. Few graffiti offenders are apprehended, and some change their methods and locations in response to possible apprehension and clean-ups.

As with most forms of vandalism, graffiti is not routinely reported to police. Many people think that graffiti is not a police or "real crime" problem, or that the police can do little about it. Because graffiti is not routinely reported to police or other agencies, its true scope is unknown.

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It also says on another page, that graffiti offenders are mostly boys, include girls and offenders are typically aged 13 to17. It then goes on about why they're doing this ...

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I left Switzerland in the early 90's for a few years. There was no graffiti then and when I came back it was the thing I noticed first - walls covered in paint. There's no excuse - none - for covering private property in paint and it makes my blood boil when I see historic stone buildings defaced by meaningless scribble. It's vandalism pure and simple. As for being "street art", the Banksy's of this world are very thin on the ground. 99.9% of I see what I see are just "tags" - nickname equivalents of "kilroy wos 'ere".
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Old 12.08.2009, 18:09
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Watch out Sada! Someone might get prosecuted
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Old 12.08.2009, 18:44
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They were done by cleaning walls with soap and brush...
You can read more here
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Old 12.08.2009, 18:58
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What are the authorities' position and what are they doing about it?
The public transport organisations withdraw damaged rolling stock as quickly as possible.

The police tries to keep an eye on all kinds of vandalism, a few months ago I've read in a newspaper that two adolescents were fined for putting football club stickers on traffic signs.
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Old 12.08.2009, 22:40
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Are you also the kind of person who thinks that Skating is Vandalism?
Actually Grafitti (or Spraying) is one of the 4 pillars of Hip Hop and used to be an integral part of this sub-culture back then.

But flow is right, cities like Berlin have way more Grafitti but then again it seems to fit. What would Berlin be without them?
I am no gun loving vigilante if it is what you are implying.
Graffiti on public or private property is vandalism. I am sure that if you find your car tagged you will not think it is that artistic anymore.
We just don't have much of a problem in northern California. Even in LA it is not very widespread.
Oh, yes, and I do skate myself.
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Old 13.08.2009, 00:00
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Re: Graffiti

its because LA has no metro train system. thats why it never was big like in nyc.
i think its an old myth as in 20yrs what im dealing with, am observing graffiti szene all over europe i have never seen a private car been tagged apart from a jag with "eat the rich" sprayed on in silver with a fat cap tag in amsterdam.

i hate it when buildings like fraumünster etc. get bombed as writers want respect with their pieces so does n architect deserve respect with his art in building. in zurich i have never seen old buildings being pieced, sprayed.
minor tags which arent nice. i dont like them either.

i said this in the older thread already but get yourself the book odem-on the run

dunno if this is available in english but its a book written by one of europes best (now given up) graff-artist. its a study of the milieu of writers...why they do it, whats the reason, whats behind it? where, why, waht is explained fantastically. some people i advised that book didnt like graff much more after reading but were amazed about the scene, the movement and the art/expression. had a better understanding....
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Old 13.08.2009, 00:02
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That's perfectly suits description of the place I do not wanna be...



That's more like it.


this is more your place, eh? i get eyecancer from looking at it and would rather have those plain, dull n ugly looking cocrete walls done with some murals...
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this is more your place, eh? i get eyecancer from looking at it and would rather have those plain, dull n ugly looking cocrete walls done with some murals...
This is my place and I hope it stays that way. I have no need for mural decorations:

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this is more your place, eh? i get eyecancer from looking at it and would rather have those plain, dull n ugly looking cocrete walls done with some murals...
a few months ago, some autonomous people had a party in Copenhagen, which they called "Take the streets back" or something similar.

Here is, how "Hyskenstrĉde" looked after they applied their Murals
http://www.flickr.com/photos/spiderj...7617905488620/

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a few months ago, some autonomous people had a party in Copenhagen, which they called "Take the streets back" or something similar.

Here is, how "Hyskenstrĉde" looked after they applied their Murals
http://www.flickr.com/photos/spiderj...7617905488620/

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It is... dizzying. I see that cars are tagged as well. Do you like it Doc?
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It is... dizzying. I see that cars are tagged as well. Do you like it Doc?
absolutely not.

I was recently at Rote Fabrik in Zürich, and I did find it impresive, what I saw there, ad i got a feeling, that was with the owners/ city's permission, and that does in my eyes qualify as art.

But these Idiots, who argue, it is their "Autonomous right" to spray in that street in copenhagen, I just hope they get identified, and get a huge cleaning bill
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absolutely not.

I was recently at Rote Fabrik in Zürich, and I did find it impresive, what I saw there, ad i got a feeling, that was with the owners/ city's permission, and that does in my eyes qualify as art.

But these Idiots, who argue, it is their "Autonomous right" to spray in that street in copenhagen, I just hope they get identified, and get a huge cleaning bill

i was at the Rote Fabrik, it was the "meeting of styles" 2009.
some anonymos had painted the whole Rote Fabrik white.
nobody knows who and why this has happened so they decided to
use the white paint surface as the new "canvas" for that convention.
some people from outside Ch were there as i met some friends back from Munich

the Copenhagen thing rather looks like a real vandals act, a riot. its not a mural
for me this got nothing really to do with graffiti, stupid act for
manifesting its reputation being vandalism though i understand what leads to it...








talking about murals...
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Re: Graffiti

The levels of graffiti around Switzerland was one of the biggest surprises when I first visited Switzerland. It seemed totally different to everything that I assumed.

I approve of the artistic painting of buildings with the consent of the owners. This has been going on for centuries (as per the stunning example from Cyrus).

In my opinion, all 'tagging' and similar grafitti, even if it looks artistic, undertaken without permission should be treated as criminal damage.

In my mind, legitimising grafitti just because it looks artistic makes it more difficult to control the more common tagging etc.
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