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Old 03.10.2011, 00:55
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Re: White & Non White foreigners..

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It seems clear that some people react differently to different groups of 'foreigners' - and colour is just one of the many influence factors. In CH, some of the worst racism is towards a group who are definitely white, and from the Balkans or other parts of Eastern Europe. In the US another group of non blacks, the Mexicans. In Germany the Turks. Sadly, whenever a group or groups become/s a substantial proportion of the population - then some of the natives see them as a threat. Of course, the propaganda of some of the political groups, not just in CH, actually encourage that. One thing they should do in all schools is to make-up and dress local kids to look like the major group locally seen as 'the problem' so that they can experience what it feels like- the best education kids could get to help them understand. I remember seeing a documentary about a group of German children being made up and dressed to look like some of the local Turkish children - they never ever forgot what it felt like after the reaction of many of the Germans towards them.

I've never ever suffered from racism in any shape or form- and I cringe when people all over the world say 'oh you are Swiss, how nice, cute, great'.
Or when people say 'oh but you are NOT a foreigner, not really.'.
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Old 03.10.2011, 01:39
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Respect, very well observed. Excellent analysis.
Analysis alright, but what about a bit of diplomacy ? I do not so easily forget that a Dutchman in central Amsterdam frist pushed me from behind and when I protested hit me in a way that I the next day in Paris had to visit Dr Liebermann at the Rue Rivoli. Which means that I might love to hit the man in question here in an appropriate way as a way of personal "revanche" Most NL people I met ever since have been such that I never felt like taking up those lower instincts
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I remember seeing a documentary about a group of German children being made up and dressed to look like some of the local Turkish children - they never ever forgot what it felt like after the reaction of many of the Germans towards them.

I've never ever suffered from racism in any shape or form- and I cringe when people all over the world say 'oh you are Swiss, how nice, cute, great'.
Or when people say 'oh but you are NOT a foreigner, not really.'.
My husband had a lot of racism against him at school. From germans kids who didn't see him as german (even if he was born there and hold a german passport). He also had hard time to get a place in a football team because he was turk. The fact that he was one of the best (he played pro for years) didn't overpass the color of his skin and he had to work harder to be recognised.

He spend only 2 years of his life in Turkey. It is when he met me (Lucky him!) And in Turkey many didn't see him as a Turk, but called him an Alamanci (which is very rude). Because he wasn't enough turkish for them with his funny accent.

When we moved to CH, we bought our car in his town in Germany. So our plate number was German until we change the registration. Every single time we went to Weil Am Rhein, the border controler would stop us. Ask us where we came from, where we were going, etc... Showing passport, doing a passport control, questions, etc.... To enter his OWN country.

At the moment we switched for a CH plate, we never had that problem again.

I discovered what it was like to be discriminated through my husband's eyes. He never complains about it. He took it as a tool to become stronger and more successful. Just to pissed off people more!
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Re: White & Non White foreigners..

Indeed the Dutch can be pretty rude, but they are not false and nasty. Its different in each country but this is a Swiss forum, so for Dutch things you should post them somewhere else
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Indeed the Dutch can be pretty rude, but they are not false and nasty. Its different in each country but this is a Swiss forum, so for Dutch things you should post them somewhere else
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Re: White & Non White foreigners..

I have been conducting a completely non-scientific study of permit issues amongst colleagues and fellow ex-pats who for whatever reason feel compelled to talk about permits. so far I have a sample size of 6, all of whom came to Zurich at or about the same time as me - 3 white US citizens, 2 US citizens with Latin American roots, and one African American US citizen. 50% of the sample are here on B permits, the other 50% are here on one-year permits. I'm quite certain that it is only coincidence that the 3 B permits were issued to the 3 white people.
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I have been conducting a completely non-scientific study of permit issues amongst colleagues and fellow ex-pats who for whatever reason feel compelled to talk about permits. so far I have a sample size of 6, all of whom came to Zurich at or about the same time as me - 3 white US citizens, 2 US citizens with Latin American roots, and one African American US citizen. 50% of the sample are here on B permits, the other 50% are here on one-year permits. I'm quite certain that it is only coincidence that the 3 B permits were issued to the 3 white people.
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I have been conducting a completely non-scientific study of permit issues amongst colleagues and fellow ex-pats who for whatever reason feel compelled to talk about permits. so far I have a sample size of 6, all of whom came to Zurich at or about the same time as me - 3 white US citizens, 2 US citizens with Latin American roots, and one African American US citizen. 50% of the sample are here on B permits, the other 50% are here on one-year permits. I'm quite certain that it is only coincidence that the 3 B permits were issued to the 3 white people.
B Permits are renewed annually.

So what are you calling a "one year permit?"
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Indeed the Dutch can be pretty rude, but they are not false and nasty. Its different in each country but this is a Swiss forum, so for Dutch things you should post them somewhere else
I in my job worked with many NL people. They by average tend to be rather "straight/direct" but as you say clear and honest. And are excellent partners. And this DOES belong into this Swiss forum as there are sooooo many NLers here in Switzerland and quite many of them use English as their communication tool here. Quite many of them also are quite open in criticizing things they dislike, also many of them who are CH citizens. AND ! very often get the support of CH-born locals
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Old 13.11.2011, 20:16
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Re: White & Non White foreigners..

My wife is old-family Swiss, but has half-Vietnamese kids, and has never had a "Swiss" family name. Even she isn't very "white" (depending on the season, but I am always more "white" than she)

So your point is what, exactly?

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Old 13.11.2011, 21:00
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My wife is old-family Swiss, but has half-Vietnamese kids, and has never had a "Swiss" family name. Even she isn't very "white" (depending on the season, but I am always more "white" than she)

So your point is what, exactly?

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Old 13.11.2011, 22:45
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Re: White & Non White foreigners..

Reading the posts here I now realize I've been discriminated against here many times. However, until now I never thought of the people discriminating as racists...just idiots. Hmm...
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I am not Thai but also non white (Swiss braun) married to a swiss...but have had some off putting experience as I go about my normal business and day. At the bahnhof - one creepy man decided I since I was always around there morning (going to German class) and lunctime (going back from class - I must have been on some `prowl` of sorts - After many times of hearing from him lecherous sounding ^kommt mit` , ich habe ein auto, wie viel geld? I had enough, At first I tried to ignore him - when he became too persistent and I felt I didnt have my freedom of movement at the bahnhof anymore - I blew up one day and shouted at him to everyones hearing : `was denkst du huh?...du denkst ich bin ein prosti.... oder was - Ich muss mein freiheit haben and a lot more scolding and shouting....I was suprised at how much german I could churn out in my anger at this creep. I even used the du version because he didnt deserve any politeness from me after all the harassment. He slowly slid away - since then I have never seen him again at the bahnhof - perhaps he escapes on the other side of the platforms - just incase he encounters my wrath again.... I think he though a dark skinned woman can only be synonymous to a Pr....Urrrgh. IT ANNOYS AND GETS TO ME!!!
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Re: White & Non White foreigners..

Well, living in a black community, walking down the alley with my black secretary, whistles from natives (black boys) working on a scaffolding:
"Hey bitch, black dick not good enough" - "Honey we are are good too"
From the other side of the road some natives girls: "Sweety, drop this guy, there are plenty good looking boys here!" (well, I am her boss...)

Just to name a few.

Rassism works both ways, and honestly, I found it more discriminating being white in black community then being black in white community! In front of me by the cashier in a (Chinese) supermarket one black guy to another:" This white asshole tries to evict me, What is this asshole thinking coming into black man country and try to drive me out of my (his) apartment!" Well as it turns out he did not pay rent for 8 months!

Whenever I made a mixed party, blacks stayed in groups together, "protecting" each other. Whites, special Americans and Europeans, tried to mix and match with no chance. usually it ended that some of the blacks grabbed a good plate from the BBQ and a case two of beer and made their own party at home.

Now, I don't use Caucasian, I use white, Caucasians are more brown then white.Caribbeans name Arabs white, Americans call black folks Afro-Americans, having seen Africa never in their live. Its always a matter on how you look at it. I don't know you, but I am from Planet Earth, incidentally born in Switzerland to White Parents. I have done nothing for it.

I once heard this joke:
A black man looks at a white man and said, one thing i don't understand:
When I am born, I am black, when I go out of the sun, I am black, going into the sun, I am black, when I am sick, I am black, when I die, I am black. But you:
When you're born, your pink, when you're sick, you're green, when you go into the sun, you getting brown, when you going out of the sun, you're like snow white, when you die, you're grey: And yo call me colored??
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I have been conducting a completely non-scientific study of permit issues amongst colleagues and fellow ex-pats who for whatever reason feel compelled to talk about permits. so far I have a sample size of 6, all of whom came to Zurich at or about the same time as me - 3 white US citizens, 2 US citizens with Latin American roots, and one African American US citizen. 50% of the sample are here on B permits, the other 50% are here on one-year permits. I'm quite certain that it is only coincidence that the 3 B permits were issued to the 3 white people.
I think, this is not the case: As both permits are the same, pointet by "KeinFranzösisch".
This Afro- and Latin, and Caucasian-American you'll find only in the US.

Did you EVER hear or read of an Afro-Swiss, a Latin-Swiss an Asian-Swiss?
Me not, and honestly, I think only alone: if you distinguish you already a rassist - as you point on the difference.

But people will be always pointing on the difference, if it is not the skin color then the hair color, the eyes color - you name it.
We always have to mark the "outsiders", the strangers!

Here in Switzerland, some 80 years ago, people from Bern moving to Luzern had no more rights to vote, because they where considered "not from here", strangers.
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Re: White & Non White foreigners..

I have the impression that if you are from abroad, no matter the colour, you are treated in the same way, and unfortunately this does not always mean nicely.

I think that the general attitude is to keep foreigners at a certain distance so I will not take it personally if I would be you.

I have see Swedish, Thai, Italians, German, etc treated unfriendly, e.g. a German friend of mine refuses to speak high german because he thinks Swiss do not like Germans...

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oh boy, White and non-White I think there is enormous scale in between.
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oh boy, White and non-White I think there is enormous scale in between.
off-white?
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off-white?
Yeah, like magnolia.
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