Yae Odile,Life sucks ,I remember when we piked on kids which needed glasses,where limping,stuttering etc . You get the picture

Analysis alright, but what about a bit of diplomacy ? I do not so easily forget that a Dutchman in central Amsterdam frist pushed me from behind and when I protested hit me in a way that I the next day in Paris had to visit Dr Liebermann at the Rue Rivoli. Which means that I might love to hit the man in question here in an appropriate way as a way of personal "revanche" Most NL people I met ever since have been such that I never felt like taking up those lower instincts

My husband had a lot of racism against him at school. From germans kids who didn't see him as german (even if he was born there and hold a german passport). He also had hard time to get a place in a football team because he was turk. The fact that he was one of the best (he played pro for years) didn't overpass the color of his skin and he had to work harder to be recognised.

He spend only 2 years of his life in Turkey. It is when he met me (Lucky him!) And in Turkey many didn't see him as a Turk, but called him an Alamanci (which is very rude). Because he wasn't enough turkish for them with his funny accent.

When we moved to CH, we bought our car in his town in Germany. So our plate number was German until we change the registration. Every single time we went to Weil Am Rhein, the border controler would stop us. Ask us where we came from, where we were going, etc... Showing passport, doing a passport control, questions, etc.... To enter his OWN country.

At the moment we switched for a CH plate, we never had that problem again.

I discovered what it was like to be discriminated through my husband's eyes. He never complains about it. He took it as a tool to become stronger and more successful. Just to pissed off people more!

Indeed the Dutch can be pretty rude, but they are not false and nasty. Its different in each country but this is a Swiss forum, so for Dutch things you should post them somewhere else

Storm Front might be good for you .. they even have it in Dutch.

I have been conducting a completely non-scientific study of permit issues amongst colleagues and fellow ex-pats who for whatever reason feel compelled to talk about permits. so far I have a sample size of 6, all of whom came to Zurich at or about the same time as me - 3 white US citizens, 2 US citizens with Latin American roots, and one African American US citizen. 50% of the sample are here on B permits, the other 50% are here on one-year permits. I'm quite certain that it is only coincidence that the 3 B permits were issued to the 3 white people.

Sorry, very much off topic but I LOVE your username!

B Permits are renewed annually.

So what are you calling a "one year permit?"

I in my job worked with many NL people. They by average tend to be rather "straight/direct" but as you say clear and honest. And are excellent partners. And this DOES belong into this Swiss forum as there are sooooo many NLers here in Switzerland and quite many of them use English as their communication tool here. Quite many of them also are quite open in criticizing things they dislike, also many of them who are CH citizens. AND ! very often get the support of CH-born locals

My wife is old-family Swiss, but has half-Vietnamese kids, and has never had a "Swiss" family name. Even she isn't very "white" (depending on the season, but I am always more "white" than she)

So your point is what, exactly?

Tom

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Geeeeeeeeeeeeeee Tom, what happened to the other half Mine came as a whole

Reading the posts here I now realize I've been discriminated against here many times. However, until now I never thought of the people discriminating as racists...just idiots. Hmm...

wow! i had the same experience in Aarau bahnhof

Well, living in a black community, walking down the alley with my black secretary, whistles from natives (black boys) working on a scaffolding:
"Hey bitch, black dick not good enough" - "Honey we are are good too"
From the other side of the road some natives girls: "Sweety, drop this guy, there are plenty good looking boys here!" (well, I am her boss...)

Just to name a few.

Rassism works both ways, and honestly, I found it more discriminating being white in black community then being black in white community! In front of me by the cashier in a (Chinese) supermarket one black guy to another:" This white asshole tries to evict me, What is this asshole thinking coming into black man country and try to drive me out of my (his) apartment!" Well as it turns out he did not pay rent for 8 months!

Whenever I made a mixed party, blacks stayed in groups together, "protecting" each other. Whites, special Americans and Europeans, tried to mix and match with no chance. usually it ended that some of the blacks grabbed a good plate from the BBQ and a case two of beer and made their own party at home.

Now, I don't use Caucasian, I use white, Caucasians are more brown then white.Caribbeans name Arabs white, Americans call black folks Afro-Americans, having seen Africa never in their live. Its always a matter on how you look at it. I don't know you, but I am from Planet Earth, incidentally born in Switzerland to White Parents. I have done nothing for it.

I once heard this joke:
A black man looks at a white man and said, one thing i don't understand:
When I am born, I am black, when I go out of the sun, I am black, going into the sun, I am black, when I am sick, I am black, when I die, I am black. But you:
When you're born, your pink, when you're sick, you're green, when you go into the sun, you getting brown, when you going out of the sun, you're like snow white, when you die, you're grey: And yo call me colored??

I think, this is not the case: As both permits are the same, pointet by "KeinFranzösisch".
This Afro- and Latin, and Caucasian-American you'll find only in the US.

Did you EVER hear or read of an Afro-Swiss, a Latin-Swiss an Asian-Swiss?
Me not, and honestly, I think only alone: if you distinguish you already a rassist - as you point on the difference.

But people will be always pointing on the difference, if it is not the skin color then the hair color, the eyes color - you name it.
We always have to mark the "outsiders", the strangers!

Here in Switzerland, some 80 years ago, people from Bern moving to Luzern had no more rights to vote, because they where considered "not from here", strangers.

I have the impression that if you are from abroad, no matter the colour, you are treated in the same way, and unfortunately this does not always mean nicely.

I think that the general attitude is to keep foreigners at a certain distance so I will not take it personally if I would be you.

I have see Swedish, Thai, Italians, German, etc treated unfriendly, e.g. a German friend of mine refuses to speak high german because he thinks Swiss do not like Germans...

Hope this helps!

oh boy, White and non-White I think there is enormous scale in between.

off-white?

Yeah, like magnolia.