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Re: Cablecom: HD Mediabox Recorder

If I am not mistaken there are 6 programmes sofar:

free:

HD Suisse
Arte HD
Anixe HD
BBC HD

pay extra:

Nat. Geographic HD
Eurosport HD
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Re: Cablecom: HD Mediabox Recorder

It's only 5chf extra a month over the previous recorder, might be worth it for BBC HD.
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Re: Cablecom: HD Mediabox Recorder

As I already have the pay-channels (cablecom collection) I also look forward to Nat Geo in HD .
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Re: Cablecom: HD Mediabox Recorder

The link doesnt offer an information about the size of the hard drive or whether it actually records hd in hd.

It also doesnt seem to note who the box manufacturer is.

However the site does offer some caveat about the recorder, as follows:

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HD programmes are always produced and broadcast in the 16:9 format. Therefore, the HDMI connector only relays the picture signals in the 16:9 format. If programmes which are being broadcast in the 4:3 format are transmitted to the television via the HDMI connector, the picture is adapted to the 16:9 format and therefore appears slightly distorted. With some television sets, you can manually switch to a 4:3 format to avoid any distortion. The picture will then be displayed with black bars at the side of the screen on a 16:9 format television set.
Therefore it does seem that it is most likely to be the same manufacturer as the non recording hd box, possibly with the laggy remote.

So unless otherwise proven, cablecom have taken all this time to finally release the same buggy hd box except with a hard drive bolted on.

Therefore, if i return my SD recorder and get this and plug it into my tv via HDMI.... ALL 4:3 material will be what cablecom refer to as "slightly distorted" and I refer to as COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

hows that?
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The link doesnt offer an information about the size of the hard drive or whether it actually records hd in hd.

It also doesnt seem to note who the box manufacturer is.

However the site does offer some caveat about the recorder, as follows:



Therefore it does seem that it is most likely to be the same manufacturer as the non recording hd box, possibly with the laggy remote.

So unless otherwise proven, cablecom have taken all this time to finally release the same buggy hd box except with a hard drive bolted on.

Therefore, if i return my SD recorder and get this and plug it into my tv via HDMI.... ALL 4:3 material will be what cablecom refer to as "slightly distorted" and I refer to as COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

hows that?
I though it only applied to HD content. It does say the issues will be addressed in later firmware updates.

Can't actually think of the last 4:3 program I saw, maybe some of the cartoons on SF2.
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I though it only applied to HD content. It does say the issues will be addressed in later firmware updates.

Can't actually think of the last 4:3 program I saw, maybe some of the cartoons on SF2.
AFAIK it applies to any content that is in 4:3. Believe me, that is a LOT of content. Somebody feel free to correct me if im wrong.

The problem with that link saying that it will be solved in a software update is that the same link exists for the HD non recording box and the software update has not been forthcoming since the release of that... quite a time ago now.

Thanks to the press release we see that the new box can record 80 hours of SD or "up to" 25 hours of HD. This means that the hard drive is only very marginally bigger than in my SD recording box.

This coupled with the relative paucity of content so far offered means that i will stand off for the time being... at least until a few EF'ers have it and can post their impressions!!! A shame because i would really like to have HD with recording!!
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Re: Cablecom: HD Mediabox recorder availability

I agree that CC should carry more than the current 4+2 HD programmes.

Part of the problem is that a lot of the CC customers want to hang on to the analog broadcasts and CC is also legally bound to carry a set of defined channels in analog technology for the forseeable future.

One analog channel takes up the room of up to 10 SD Channels (and I think 3 HD channels) ...
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I agree that CC should carry more than the current 4+2 HD programmes.
There are other problems:

Swiss customers do not like to pay for TV. This is not only a cablecom issues.

Also what HD channels you want? You don't have any good FTA stuff in HD.

CC can't bring ORF HD as long it is not on DVB-T. They might bring some of he French channels that start on DVB-T, as soon you can get them anywhere in Switzerland.


Speaking of movies in HD: Teleclub holds the rights for many movies. Swisscom owns 49% of Teleclub and of course wants to boost Bluewin-TV.

Of course I would like to see Sky Movies HD on cable, but this is just a dream.
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AFAIK it applies to any content that is in 4:3. Believe me, that is a LOT of content. Somebody feel free to correct me if im wrong.
I guess it depends on what you are watching. I noticed in the past couple of months the main German channels have switched to 16:9, eg. RTL, Pro7, etc. The newer German shows are also filmed in 16:9. All the latest american series are in 16:9 too. The only problem for me is that the footie on teleclub are sometimes on 4:3 format...

Anyway, I will look out for the cablecom booth next time I am in Mediamarkt or interdiscount, etc. - I really want to try out the box before I order. That remote on the receiver is just crap.

Furthermore, I have to figure out how it works with the contract as I have the SD recorder, the HD receiver and now they should exhange both for the HD recorder, but will I get the 3 months satisfaction guarantee too?
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Re: Cablecom: HD Mediabox recorder availability

We have only had cablecom since June with the standard box, but now want the record function, not overly fussed about HD, but if we are upgrading would it be sensible to go for the SD box or just get the HD anyway? Also if we upgrade do they send another box and collect this one, and would we incur penalites?

Sorry if this sounds a bit dweebie, but I've read a lot (only in English though) and can't seem to find a concise answer.
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We have only had cablecom since June with the standard box, but now want the record function, not overly fussed about HD, but if we are upgrading would it be sensible to go for the SD box or just get the HD anyway? Also if we upgrade do they send another box and collect this one, and would we incur penalites?

Sorry if this sounds a bit dweebie, but I've read a lot (only in English though) and can't seem to find a concise answer.
I think cablecom are happy for customers to upgrade, I saw they just released the HD-recorder box (Model: Philips DCR8111/03 D4A) this week. You should ring and ask.

Here's their HD stuff in English:
http://www.cablecom.ch/en/index/tvra....htm?setlang=4

But HD is of course only worthwhile if you have an HD-capable screen, and interconnect using HDMI cable.

If you have a non-HD screen, or if you interconnect using SCART, RCA, or anything other than HDMI, then you will only see SD, and no HD.

And then make sure you are aware of what HD programs are included in the standard package, and what HD channels are in the extra packages...
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This coupled with the relative paucity of content so far offered means that i will stand off for the time being...
It's a chicken-and-egg situation....

1. You don't want HD because of the paucity of content

2. The paucity of content is because insufficient people watch HD.

3. Goto 1.

The same problem occurs with DAB radio, and with DVB-T adoption in other countries (replace "HD" with "DAB" or "DVB-T"...)

To stop the problem you either have to

1. Bite the bullet, get HD, and proudly tell your friends that you can see makeup smudges on Pop Star in HD-detail, and be a first-mover

or

2. Wait, wait, wait, wait, then move with the crowd in a few years time... and put up with SD in the meantime

As for me, having worked in the TV industry, and having a good old faithful 4:3 vacuum-tube dispay at home, I'm happy to stay with SD now and spend the saved money on skiing, so I can enjoy the Swiss Alps in Super-HD Real-Time quality through my own eyes :-)
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I think cablecom are happy for customers to upgrade, I saw they just released the HD-recorder box (Model: Philips DCR8111/03 D4A) this week. You should ring and ask.

Here's their HD stuff in English:
http://www.cablecom.ch/en/index/tvra....htm?setlang=4

But HD is of course only worthwhile if you have an HD-capable screen, and interconnect using HDMI cable.

If you have a non-HD screen, or if you interconnect using SCART, RCA, or anything other than HDMI, then you will only see SD, and no HD.

And then make sure you are aware of what HD programs are included in the standard package, and what HD channels are in the extra packages...
Thank you for the info'. We have a Philips HD tv and HDMI cables, is the Philips HD box you mentioned the 1 with the sluggish remote that people are talking about?
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As for me, having worked in the TV industry, and having a good old faithful 4:3 vacuum-tube dispay at home, I'm happy to stay with SD now and spend the saved money on skiing, so I can enjoy the Swiss Alps in Super-HD Real-Time quality through my own eyes :-)
And if you have a 4:3 vacuum tube TV which also does 16:9, the decision is even simpler.
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Thank you for the info'. We have a Philips HD tv and HDMI cables, is the Philips HD box you mentioned the 1 with the sluggish remote that people are talking about?
Dunno, I've never tried it myself. Why don't you pop into a cablecom place and try it out?

Interestingly. google "DCR8111" and you find other forums with comments like
"habe seit einer Woche nun das dig. Fernsehen mit der DVR Box 250GB
Von der Qualität bin ich total begeistert - nicht nur die HD Filme auch die restl. Sender sind besser als vorher."

Other forums have piccies of it:

I doubt all ports are active... and again I don't know if this is exactly what cablecom have, because I found it in another forum... and so I may be wrong
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And if you have a 4:3 vacuum tube TV which also does 16:9, the decision is even simpler.
LOL - yes, my 4:3 vacuum tube does 16:9, and even uses less power (oh how green!) in 16:9 mode due to the black bands at the top and bottom of the picture
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Dunno, I've never tried it myself. Why don't you pop into a cablecom place and try it out?

Interestingly. google "DCR8111" and you find other forums with comments like
"habe seit einer Woche nun das dig. Fernsehen mit der DVR Box 250GB
Von der Qualität bin ich total begeistert - nicht nur die HD Filme auch die restl. Sender sind besser als vorher."

Other forums have piccies of it:

I doubt all ports are active... and again I don't know if this is exactly what cablecom have, because I found it in another forum... and so I may be wrong
I wondered if it had optical out, my amp doesn't decode the sound for HDMI.

BTW, does anyone know if the ethernet port can be used to do anything with the recorder (SD or HD)?
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I wondered if it had optical out, my amp doesn't decode the sound for HDMI.

BTW, does anyone know if the ethernet port can be used to do anything with the recorder (SD or HD)?
I doubt it, because cable TV companies have to licence their content from the film studios etc, and they have restrictions on what they are allowed to let normal viewers copy.

So to ensure such copyright is fulfilled, I'd anticipate that all external data ports like USB, Ethernet ports etc are disabled.

Often these are used in the factory for testing, and can be used by cable TV providers for eg email over the cable TV system - then a LAN port would be active and you could access emails from a PC etc.

But actual hard drive access to copy movie files from the harddrive, and to access the OS, would sure as eggs be disabled.
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It's a chicken-and-egg situation....

1. You don't want HD because of the paucity of content

2. The paucity of content is because insufficient people watch HD.

3. Goto 1.

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Actually, im willing to upgrade with the channels offered. however i think it would be even better if they threw in eurosport hd and nat geo hd as well. by upgrading, i am taking a leap of faith that they will add to the amount of HD channels available in the future, maybe early next year or so.

what keeps me from upgrading right now is this potential 4:3 problem and other potential bugs like a laggy remote. once i have seen it for myself or heard other peoples impressions, it is likely that i will upgrade quickly.

its interesting that you quote the model number and suggest that it has a 250gb hard drive. do you have confirmation of that somewhere? it seems strange that they advertise then that you can only record 80 hours of sd?
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