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Old 02.12.2009, 12:20
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Two-Ring Binders

Am I alone in loathing these binders? Are the just in Switzerland, or worldwide.

I sorely miss a good sturdy standard 3 ring binder to file my junk in.

and whats with the crazy open-handle-system. Makes it brutally impossible to insert pages on the left side.

albeit I do like the hold-down locking dohickey, but would abandon it in second for a 3 ring binder.

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Old 02.12.2009, 12:30
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Re: Two-Ring Binders

That's funny- I love the binders here. 3 ring binders (U.S.) are a royal pain. The Euro binders sit flat and open up correctly, and you always have access to the opening as it sits above the first page. I have technical manuals in binders with several hundred pages here and I can remove/insert documents way more easily than with the 3 ringers.

I did always want a Trapper Keeper when I was a kid though. They were too high budget for our Scot blooded mom.

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Re: Two-Ring Binders

There are binders with three rings? How exotic!

The two ring one you are describing sounds like the German DIN standard binder, but the Swiss "Bundesordner" are very similar... for more than a century.
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Am I alone in loathing these binders? Are the just in Switzerland, or worldwide.

I sorely miss a good sturdy standard 3 ring binder to file my junk in.

and whats with the crazy open-handle-system. Makes it brutally impossible to insert pages on the left side.

albeit I do like the hold-down locking dohickey, but would abandon it in second for a 3 ring binder.

Nerd rant over.
What you are describing is a lever-arch binder, not a standard 2-ring binder.

The 2 ring hole punchers are more common here which makes it easier to put paper into the 2 ring binders.
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Am I alone in loathing these binders? Are the just in Switzerland, or worldwide.

I sorely miss a good sturdy standard 3 ring binder to file my junk in.

and whats with the crazy open-handle-system. Makes it brutally impossible to insert pages on the left side.

albeit I do like the hold-down locking dohickey, but would abandon it in second for a 3 ring binder.

Nerd rant over.
You North American you....

I understand the strange attachment to the three ringed binder. I always found that I tear individual sheets out of 2 ringed binders much more easily than out of a three ringed binder, because the hoops were just too close together. I always have to buy those reinforcement rings for my papers.

Sigh...
But as anything else, you get used to it or you stop using it. That's why I use an accordion file folder. No rings to worry about there. And you can get huge ones too. Doesn't help too much with those 700 page documents though...but that's why digital copies are good for.
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There are binders with three rings? How exotic!

The two ring one you are describing sounds like the German DIN standard binder, but the Swiss "Bundesordner" are very similar... for more than a century.
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You press the little tabs at the ends of the metal strip to open the rings. The b1tch is that the split in the rings is in the middle, and the closing action is not very positive. If you want to open to the middle of your documents there's a good chance that you'll snag one or more of the rings, opening them and big mess ensues.
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Re: Two-Ring Binders

At school there was always the debate whether the D ring or the O ring was the better shape for binder rings....I in the end preferred the D ring.
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At school there was always the debate whether the D ring or the O ring was the better shape for binder rings....I in the end preferred the D ring.
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Re: Two-Ring Binders

I do have to admit distaste for the 3-ring binders affixed to the center. I do (well used to) only use those with the 3-rings attaced to the back cover, allowing for 'sit flat' use as Mud described.

It's definitely easier to rip out sheets from a 2 ring binder, but that kinda defeats the purpose of having a binder.

I need the extra comfort of a 3rd control point for my leaves. The two-rings are too close and have that extra degree of freedom which allows the sheets to leverage-rip themselves out much easier.

anyone else bored?
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Re: Two-Ring Binders

Wow, I have never missed those awful three ring binders! I assimilated quickly, I guess

What I did miss is are hanging files, they're not so common. But I'm over that and have come around to the plastic envelope things and normal Swiss (or German, as shown above ) binders.
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Old 02.12.2009, 18:42
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Re: Two-Ring Binders

I took on those 'plasic envelope' things with hate in my heart, but they have grown on me.

Hanging folders are definitely a miss. Do they know what their missing here. Without them I haven't found an efficient way to use my filing cabinets other than to breed gerbils and hamsters.
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That's funny- I love the binders here. 3 ring binders (U.S.) are a royal pain. The Euro binders sit flat and open up correctly, and you always have access to the opening as it sits above the first page. I have technical manuals in binders with several hundred pages here and I can remove/insert documents way more easily than with the 3 ringers.

I did always want a Trapper Keeper when I was a kid though. They were too high budget for our Scot blooded mom.

I Know we have the same binders in Peru (2 rings) and in NL they had the ridiculuous 50 rings (no idea how many really), we also had 3 rings in Peru but were not that common. I am glad here we have 2, sorry Chemmie .
Trapper Keeper GOD! I loved those and had tons of them...spoiled kid I was!!!
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Re: Two-Ring Binders

I was sooooo bored with the blasted minaret thread, but now it suddenly looks ever so interesting...
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I took on those 'plasic envelope' things with hate in my heart, but they have grown on me.

Hanging folders are definitely a miss. Do they know what their missing here. Without them I haven't found an efficient way to use my filing cabinets other than to breed gerbils and hamsters.
i liked the handing folders, but honestly, anything i consigned to them i might as well have filed in the circular folder, because they would never see the light of day again.

i now just pile everything on my desk. then it's at least in roughtly chronological order.
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I do have to admit distaste for the 3-ring binders affixed to the center. I do (well used to) only use those with the 3-rings attaced to the back cover, allowing for 'sit flat' use as Mud described.

It's definitely easier to rip out sheets from a 2 ring binder, but that kinda defeats the purpose of having a binder.

I need the extra comfort of a 3rd control point for my leaves. The two-rings are too close and have that extra degree of freedom which allows the sheets to leverage-rip themselves out much easier.

anyone else bored?
Sincere congratulatons on your nomination for EF Quote of the Day. Well deserved.

You'll be thrilled to hear that in Australia, although two- and three-ring binders abound, there exists also the rare and strangely inviting four-ring binder. Lacking a hold-down dohickey, it is simply twice as difficult to use and unreliable as a two-ring binder. Like most native Australians, it features a small pouch, in this instance located inside the front cover.


I hope this news inspires you and brightens your dreary, two-ringed evening.
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Re: Two-Ring Binders

I have just had an idea...

Five. Ring. Binder...

Same as the 2, 3 and 4 ring binder, but better for many reasons.
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.....yet i still don't know how to quote properly
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.....yet i still don't know how to quote properly
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I have just had an idea...

Five. Ring. Binder...

Same as the 2, 3 and 4 ring binder, but better for many reasons.
Pah! My 14-ring binder and I laugh scornfully at your pathetic five rings.




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