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Old 14.12.2009, 03:52
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Re: Beggars on the streets

"Well, no, bad luck for him, I don´t pay the drugs or alcohol."
Do you drink yourself?
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Old 16.12.2009, 22:14
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Re: Beggars on the streets

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No, I don´t drink. But when I have so less money that I have to ask people on the street for money, I would take food instead of money as well. And I think there´s no reason to become even angry when someone gives away something.
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Re: Beggars on the streets

It's been a while since the original post in 2009, but it is now 2020 and I am surprised at the BIG rise in beggars I've seen for the past...maybe 3 months in ZH.


Mostly near HB, but also in Oerlikon, there are now may times not a single beggar, but groups (of 2 or 3 people), who individually ask everyone for money.

There's always been the same 2 or 3 beggars at HB tram stop (3-10-14), but now these are new guys. Usually men, sometimes they have a woman with them. They look pretty "normal", not like hungry or homeless people.


As someone who comes from Lisbon (where there's PLENTY of beggars and no one gives them a nickel), I am also surprised that folks here give them money 😐 What the fudge?
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Old 30.09.2020, 16:35
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Re: Beggars on the streets

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Isn’t that a contradiction? If no one gave them 5 centimes there wouldn’t be any beggars.

The only way we got rid of beggars here in Vaud was a concerted effort by the police to round up the gangmasters and deport them.
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Old 30.09.2020, 16:39
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Isn’t that a contradiction? If no one gave them 5 centimes there wouldn’t be any beggars.

The only way we got rid of beggars here in Vaud was a concerted effort by the police to round up the gangmasters and deport them.
It is still happening, they operate on trains, too.

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Old 30.09.2020, 16:44
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Isn’t that a contradiction? If no one gave them 5 centimes there wouldn’t be any beggars.

The only way we got rid of beggars here in Vaud was a concerted effort by the police to round up the gangmasters and deport them.
If only everyone just smiled and said "no" when asked for money there would be no more beggars.

The main ones I encounter in Zurich when walking around are the same bedraggled junkies around the 13 line (Sihl City to Limmatplatz area usually) looking for the funds for their next fix.
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It's been a while since the original post in 2009, but it is now 2020 and I am surprised at the BIG rise in beggars I've seen for the past...maybe 3 months in ZH.


Mostly near HB, but also in Oerlikon, there are now may times not a single beggar, but groups (of 2 or 3 people), who individually ask everyone for money.

There's always been the same 2 or 3 beggars at HB tram stop (3-10-14), but now these are new guys. Usually men, sometimes they have a woman with them. They look pretty "normal", not like hungry or homeless people.


As someone who comes from Lisbon (where there's PLENTY of beggars and no one gives them a nickel), I am also surprised that folks here give them money 😐 What the fudge?
With the recent upgrades to Oerlikon, I could imagine it's become more attractive to the "homeless".

You should visit Bahnhofquai either at the tram stop or on the corner opposite the Coop. There is usually a big bunch of "homeless" there with pets and all.

It could be a Tour de Suissômeless.....
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Re: Beggars on the streets

Yep definitley still happening in Vaud, especially outside food stores.
I stopped giving them money, but normally buy something to eat.

Some appreciate it others not so much...
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Old 30.09.2020, 17:13
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Yep definitley still happening in Vaud, especially outside food stores.
I stopped giving them money, but normally buy something to eat.

Some appreciate it others not so much...
By even buying them food you are just exacerbating the problem.
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By even buying them food you are just exacerbating the problem.
But how to tell the ones really in need from those that belong to organised groups?
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Old 30.09.2020, 17:31
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But how to tell the ones really in need from those that belong to organised groups?
No need to differentiate, just don't give anything to any beggar. If they are legal and registered citizens in Switzerland then they can go and get food/shelter if they want it through the various organisations in each area of Switzerland that deal with homeless people.
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As someone who comes from Lisbon (where there's PLENTY of beggars and no one gives them a nickel), I am also surprised that folks here give them money 😐 What the fudge?

It's a business model: as long as people give money, begging is a lucrative business.
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Old 30.09.2020, 19:07
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Re: Beggars on the streets

I will give to someone begging if I can afford to spare a few bucks and I think they really need it and aren't aggressive about asking for money (however, I have yet to see anyone begging on the street in Switzerland, though that is not to say it doesn't happen).

Most of the homeless people where I'm from are homeless due to mental health problems or being war veterans, or in some cases, losing their homes due to medical bills or losing their jobs due to illness, etc.

I think some people try to justify their insensitivity to homelessness or poverty by thinking that the beggars or the homeless must have done something to deserve their situation or are drug users, etc., but that certainly isn't always the case. And if I can help someone have something to eat that day or feed their kids, it's worth it regardless of why they are in that situation.
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No need to differentiate, just don't give anything to any beggar. If they are legal and registered citizens in Switzerland then they can go and get food/shelter if they want it through the various organisations in each area of Switzerland that deal with homeless people.
This is what comes to mind when I see the lady sitting in front of my local Migros, asking for money to feed her kids. I figure that Switzerland is supposed to have this great assistance program, so why should I supplement it?

Although I am guilty of tossing a few coins if the person happens to be playing some music
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This is what comes to mind when I see the lady sitting in front of my local Migros, asking for money to feed her kids. I figure that Switzerland is supposed to have this great assistance program, so why should I supplement it?
The salient phrase here is "supposed to".
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Re: Beggars on the streets

Those in the organised groups have a pimp (who may very well be answerable to a to a higher-level pimp) to whom they have to turn in all or most of the money, just like prostitution. It's terrible. The pimp drives them to their assigned spot, supplies them with the props, including dirty clothes and, sometimes, a crying baby, and fetches them again in the evening. They typically sleep indoors (no need to let the income-generators become ill) and are returned to the street next day.

The baby may or may not be the baby of the woman holding it. The woman has orders to look as needy as possible. I once witnessed a pimp reprimanding one of his beggars for having wiped the baby's nose, and then teaching her how to look out for soft-target "beggees", and to pinch the baby as they approach, to make it cry.

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Yes, that's not always straightforward.

I wouldn't like to be made to beg, answerable to a pimp. So in a sense such people are very much in need, but it is still not advisable to give them money, because it supports the pimp's business, and contributes to further exploitation.

Outside of such groups, the beggars may be long-term homeless people, especially (but not only) people who are addicted to alcohol or drugs, or whose personal circumstances, financial stability or psychiatric disorders prevent them from finding accommodation, or from being able to fit in somewhere besides on the street.

Some of those people, if they have managed to jump the hoops to register with Social Services, and if they can go on to fulfil the ongoing demands from that office, do have some financial support, but it is not a lot. Typically, their medical insurance premium is paid directly to the insurer, and beyond that they have a few hundred Francs per month to buy everything else. There's really not much leeway.
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Isn’t that a contradiction? If no one gave them 5 centimes there wouldn’t be any beggars.
Evidently, you are right. I guess I never give them money and the people I am close to don't either.


Still, sudden rise in panhandling in these parts. The ones in Oerlikon seem to me as being part of a bigger scheme in the sense that they do work in teams of 2 and seem to have a speech prepared - they are not just sitting on the floor with a cardboard - they are active in their approach!
They are standing near the station shops and approach people asking them if they speak french, etc.


But as you say, people are in fact giving them money, so I guess this will get worse before it gets better.
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Big rise in Basel recently too. I wonder if they've just been moved on by other cantons. Not your junky types but the gypsy looking types.
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Prescription for Heroin? DId I read correctly?
Believe it or not many bankers on cocaine. Many are alcoholics. And other prescription drugs such as opioids.

Big problem with burnout and prescribed with medication
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Believe it or not many bankers on cocaine. Many are alcoholics. And other prescription drugs such as opioids.

Big problem with burnout and prescribed with medication
If that was true the cocaine levels in the Zurich and Geneva sewage systems would be 10% of what they actually are. Not only the Bankers but their poor little rich kids as well.
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