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Old 29.12.2009, 19:47
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Re: EF ain't what it used to be.

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I'm happy with the English forum. I've seen people come and go, highs and low's. I've learned more about the country that I live in from a newbie perspective, learned how to use a Forum etc.

I was mortified when the Architect left us but thanks to him this great facility is here for newbies and veterans alike.

All's I can say is cheers Mark, you did a bloody good job.
I couldnt agree with Oldhand more. This forum is a gold mine of information about life here in Switzerland - it helped me so much recently in any expat's biggest nightmare in Switzerland - moving. Handing over my apartment back to my landlord without a hitch, because I found a great cleaning company on here, as well as the great thread on tips to hand back your apartment. I found moving boxes from a fellow EFer, delivery and assembling of furniture contacts.....the list just goes on. Without all the information, I would have been doubly stressed and probably overdosed on valium.

The banter on here might be a little intimidating for newbies, I can totally relate - as we all have been newbies ourselves. Just ignore it if it isnt your cup of tea. Or maybe, bite the bullet to turn up for social events. Definitely easier to join in once you've put faces behind some of these handles. Did I mention that I found some bloody good friends on here too?

Point is pretty simple - rather than sitting on the sidelines whining, contribute whenever you can on here, you'll be surprised how much more you get in return.
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Old 29.12.2009, 20:02
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Re: EF ain't what it used to be.

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Old 29.12.2009, 20:34
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Re: EF ain't what it used to be.

The more we grow older ourselves & EF board, the more newbies will come running to ask us questions and complain to us, this is becoming a responsibility rather than volunteering issue now i guess, there's a massive amount of information & resources on here that helped us way before, so now we have to guide whoever come next, then they will contribute at a later stage when they settle down in lovely Switzerland
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Old 29.12.2009, 20:45
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Especially on Christmas Eve

"Da angel guy say, “No scared. I come fo tell you guys Good Stuff From de Fadda dat goin make you guys an all da peopo stay good inside. Dis day inside King David's town, one boy wen born dat goin take you guys outa da bad kine stuff you stay doing. Cuz you his Guy. He da Christ Guy, da Spesho Guy. He da Boss." (Luke Tell Bout Jesus 2:10-11)
You are truly a class act. I think the OP was rather spot on with the assessment of the current state of EF.
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Old 29.12.2009, 21:09
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Is it just me, or has the quality of the forum gone downhill? I remember when I joined in 2006, I found the forum to be a veritable font of wisdom - a great database of useful information about living in Switzerland.

Nowadays when I (infrequently) log on I just see page after page of mindless banter and stupid opinions, with nary a top tip or hint in sight.
I now hesitate to contribute anything useful, assuming that it will be just lost in the noise.

Anyway - just my 2cents. And, true to form, not a shred of useful information in it.

Humbug!
maybe you can start a new site: englishdatabase.ch where you can collect together a great database of useful information about living in switzerland and leave us here to enjoy our chat/banter?
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Old 30.12.2009, 02:17
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Re: EF ain't what it used to be.

I have read through this whole thread, and here is my 50 rappen.

Firstly, good on you for complaining, I am going to point out that The Architect created a complaints corner for a reason. That is exactly what it is here for. However, I still feel irritated that the OP, with so few posts feels the need to express his disdain with both the people that have made the forum what it is today, and those that are helping it go forward. Especially since he has been here since the inception.

But he has made a fair point.

Two glaringly obvious points from this thread that need to be reiterated are related to the information/ bullcrap ratio and the English language and "in jokes".

A few posters have insinuated that the site would be better if it were just information that were given. Who do you think gives the information? I do not just log on to give people information. Everybody on this site volunteers their time (I think that people are getting sick of saying that). I would like to hope that I contribute something. I stay out of topics that I know nothing about, and if I have had an experience and see a question relating to it, I will do my best to answer it. I also mess about.

It is a community more unique than most, as we consist of so many demographics sharing a similar life experience. Many people complain about the "in" jokes, but people are not excluded! When I came here I felt so lucky to find the forum. Through searching, I found a house, a job, and went to social events which gave me the foundation of my friends here.

Of course I get snarky sometimes, when you look at the front page and people are just joining the forum to ask for things and advertise. There is an unusually high level of tolerance for that here, and there always has been. I have also seen very few sites with an introduction section. People are encouraged to get involved. All this "I feel left out" crap is annoying, as some of our good citizens go out of their way to organise stuff.

Also the apparent language barrier... If you are going to communicate in a written medium, you cannot get upset if you are pulled up for not using it effectively. I am Australian and I understand English perfectly well, which is allegedly surprising.

I could happily name 10 people on this forum who have English as a 2nd language (sometimes 3rd or 4th) who come across better than a lot of native speakers.

I hate to say it but harden up! You take from the forum what you give to it, and it is not about the length of time you have spent here.
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Old 31.12.2009, 06:40
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Re: EF ain't what it used to be.

I'm flabbergasted that males still wear budgie smugglers! Many look seriously scary!

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Sometimes sharing your English with the non-natives can be just as fun. Like getting to explain the terms 'flabbergasted' and 'budgie smuggler' to your officemate (and don't those two just sound delicious together??).

Oops... am I OT? my bad.
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Re: EF ain't what it used to be.

I'm with Natasha on several points.

I think the site is great in many ways that people have already commented on - information, advice, useful tips, socialising and event organising, or just for a chat or some entertaining post reading. Also great to know there is someone out there we can relate to, it must be very hard for lots of folk in a strange country with its different ways of doing things. I'm nervous about my pending arrival and I already have friends there! (Swiss ones.) I'm hoping there will be a friendly EF face around the traps in Basel to make me feel less freaked out about my decision to head off to the northern hemisphere with no real direction or plans (other than vague ones) and on my own!

I think the moderators do a good job and the running of the Forum overall should be commended, and I am not even sure how it all operates or from where! Mark Fyvie did a great job, I'm sure he'd be pleased to see how it is going now. You should all take a bow.

The EF community IS unique, as Natasha says, so let's all enjoy it for what it is and appreciate what we get out of it. I'm also hoping it will help me when it comes to job/flat/stuff hunting, Natasha!

And finally, for those with native English there are some very inventive ways of spelling! I'd rather see sms talk stay on phones. I know, I know, I know.......

Happy New Year to one and all! See you in 2010.

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Old 31.12.2009, 08:38
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And finally, for those with native English there are some very inventive ways of spelling! I'd rather see sms talk stay on phones. I know, I know, I know.......
Yes, and yes and yes! Txtspk isn't allowed here, and posts which consist mainly of it are deleted if the mods see them. It is awful, even native speakers can't read it sometimes.
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And if you ever need Brown Sugar, I am happy to oblige.

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Oooo let me know where Mama needs her brownsugar for gingerbread and apple crisp
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Old 31.12.2009, 12:22
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Oooo let me know where Mama needs her brownsugar for gingerbread and apple crisp
Oh my.

Thank you for your input into the thread. I look forward to reading more of your insightful posts.
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Old 06.01.2010, 18:45
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I think it just might be a case of you outgrowing the original reason for your coming here. It seems there's no interesting points because you are no longer new so the stuff doesn't seem useful to you. Also when you are new here or anywhere, it's kind of like a shiny new toy and when the newness wares off, you are left with feeling like things went downhill but it's really just you who changed. Or it could be the "good old days" syndrome where everyone always feels like things were better in old days. For you the "good old days" was 2006. I think it's pretty interesting here.
Perhaps it's a case of some members getting slowly er, older. The funky yoof with their gallantin' ways and weird speak, use of superlatives!!! for everything!!!!!! and self orientation does bring out the middle aged exasperation. A little contemplative quiet now and then is appreciated by the long teeth amongst us, just as much as the KerAzy shennanigans appeal to others.

I agree there are waaaay too many Off Topic threads about nothing consequential causing significant noise.

Anyhoo, most members are completely lovely in the bar, when offering a beer.
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