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Old 16.05.2010, 22:22
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Re: Where did the stereotype of reliability and punctuality come from?

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Switzerland's obsession with time




The flights are quite on time, moreover they are quite punctual at closing the airport at midnight .. I remember my friend's flight had to be diverted as they were late by 10 minutes .. They were made to land the next day instead of 12:10 in the midnight

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...nt/7415455.stm

Dear miss bean,

Perhaps the flight was diverted because there are quite a high amount of tax payers who object to being kept awake by airlines who to say the least "keep shoddy timetables" . Please don't come back with "they shouldn't live near a flight path then" as many of us bought our properties before the flight path changes.
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Old 16.05.2010, 22:35
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Dear miss bean,

Perhaps the flight was diverted because there are quite a high amount of tax payers who object to being kept awake by airlines who to say the least "keep shoddy timetables" . Please don't come back with "they shouldn't live near a flight path then" as many of us bought our properties before the flight path changes.
Yes I know, what you mean. The point I was trying to make is,other airports would adjust if it's a matter of 10 minutes or so
But the Swiss are quite punctual when it comes to such things. Very punctual when it comes to closing of shops too..
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Old 02.02.2011, 23:13
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Re: Where did the stereotype of reliability and punctuality come from?

I heard some interesting news here in the UK today that puts SBB's punctuality into perspective. If you think there are any problems with SBB trains' punctuality, they are wonderful in comparison to ours.

Southeastern Trains have a punctuality target of 82% of trains should arrive at their destination within 5 minutes of scheduled time. Last year they beat this target by 0.04%. They included the Javelin trains on the high speed rail link to the channel tunnel in their figures. As this runs on a dedicated line, its punctuality is almost 100%. This has altered the figures to help the train operator scrape through. BBC News

The intermediate stops are not included in their figures; neither are connecting trains.

By comparison, SBB use the figure of customers arriving at their destination on time. This includes intermediate stations and connecting services. In 2009 they achieved 88.2% punctuality for customers arriving within 3 minutes of scheduled time. SBB Report
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Old 03.02.2011, 00:18
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Re: Where did the stereotype of reliability and punctuality come from?

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So you mean that all the expensive stuff here is $h!t? If only Id known...

I think you mean Yanks, do you (USsers)? If you can sell Bush and Palin as Presidents, man...that's real sales for ya
You got it reversed " All the $hit is expensive"
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Old 03.02.2011, 02:26
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It's a small country with high import mark-ups. The Swiss stuff is simply the best they've ever seen.
Something is wrong with your thesis. The reliability / punctuality thing was and is not how Swiss really saw/see themselves but how British writers saw/see Switzerland. And here I refer to people like Arthur Conan Doyle. If you look at Swiss writers and Swiss journalists, nothing like the title above is their topic.
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Old 03.02.2011, 02:27
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The punctuality thing is justified but the quality part is definitely not.
quality of what exactly ? understanding of sorts of brown sugar ?
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Old 03.02.2011, 09:45
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Re: Where did the stereotype of reliability and punctuality come from?

Punctuality my ass, action in the office starts only after nine thirty
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Old 03.02.2011, 10:41
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Re: Where did the stereotype of reliability and punctuality come from?

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have to agree. the trains are delayed more often than what i experienced in london and here they have the advantage of wasting time sitting on the platform for several minutes and creating a buffer.
You sound like Tony Hancock.

Anyway, I'm not sure it's at all true that trains are less punctual in Switzerland than in London. This is the kind of thing we should be able to find official stats for, rather than relying on personal experience.
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Old 03.02.2011, 10:46
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You sound like Tony Hancock.

Anyway, I'm not sure it's at all true that trains are less punctual in Switzerland than in London. This is the kind of thing we should be able to find official stats for, rather than relying on personal experience.
The stats that I quoted earlier show clearly that SBB trains punctuality far exceeds that of trains from Kent and East Sussex into London.

The UK are using a far more lenient method of measuring punctuality yet still achieving a lower rate.
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Old 03.02.2011, 10:46
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Re: Where did the stereotype of reliability and punctuality come from?

I signed up for a hike with a Swiss website, mentioning I might not come. Because I didn't tell them if I was coming or not (and ended up not going), I was blocked from logging into their website.

Wow. Now that's cruel.
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Old 03.02.2011, 10:49
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The stats that I quoted earlier show clearly that SBB trains punctuality far exceeds that of trains from Kent and East Sussex into London.

The UK are using a far more lenient method of measuring punctuality yet still achieving a lower rate.
Sorry . . . missed your earlier post!
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Old 03.02.2011, 10:54
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The stats that I quoted earlier show clearly that SBB trains punctuality far exceeds that of trains from Kent and East Sussex into London.

The UK are using a far more lenient method of measuring punctuality yet still achieving a lower rate.

in 15 years of using trains into london from kent and back, anyone who says london trains are more punctual then swiss trains is living in cuckoo land!!

trains that are running late are cancelled, as cancelled trains don't count in the stats even then they have a pityful average speed (eg my 40km journey was timetabled at over an hour, thats with just 1 stop) so to actually be late takes some doing, most of my journey I could have got out and walked faster. and then you have the strikes, the last second cancellations where they tell you to get on the tube to xxx station where the train will leave in 5 mins the list is endless for network southeast
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By comparison, SBB use the figure of customers arriving at their destination on time. This includes intermediate stations and connecting services. In 2009 they achieved 88.2% punctuality for customers arriving within 3 minutes of scheduled time. SBB Report
I commute on a pretty easy route (i.e. against the general flow) but it is still almost an hour a day with 1 change. The train has only been so late as to miss the connection once in 2.5 years. Once! I know its anecdotal but you can feel the expectaion of punctuality in the constant updates of connecting trains, rather than the equivalent search for excuses you'd hear in British trains
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Old 03.02.2011, 11:19
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I commute on a pretty easy route (i.e. against the general flow) but it is still almost an hour a day with 1 change. The train has only been so late as to miss the connection once in 2.5 years. Once! I know its anecdotal but you can feel the expectaion of punctuality in the constant updates of connecting trains, rather than the equivalent search for excuses you'd hear in British trains
Actually, the Ge - Lausanne track is not so reliable, I think my trains have been late about once, twice a mo (but the delays are never serious, unlike the Berlin-Prague-Vienna-Budapest once, major pain in the butt). Trains are fab here. Not cheap but great.
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Re: Where did the stereotype of reliability and punctuality come from?

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Punctuality my ass, action in the office starts only after nine thirty
If I come in at 8am I'm usually the last person in my office.
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Punctuality my ass, action in the office starts only after nine thirty
They only come in late because they need to save all of their energy for the two hour lunch breaks that they take.

Of course some of the these people stay late, don't they? At my wife's place of work they would stay after 18:00 on a regular basis.
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If I come in at 8am I'm usually the last person in my office.
Me too, at 8:35 I'm the last person in....
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Old 03.02.2011, 20:19
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If I come in at 8am I'm usually the last person in my office.
Don't confuse attendance with productivity.
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Don't confuse attendance with productivity.
I heard that before and some say if you cannot do your job within 8 hours then you are simply not capable of doing it at all.

This is what I respect here that kind of chivalry at the work place. The peeps don't cheet the system and clock their forty some hours a week. Someone local has mentioned once that typical Swiss companies put longer working hours starting at seven or eight on the dot. Only international corporations have some sort of flexible working hour including taking work home. Truly privileged expats enjoy procrastinating

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Re: Where did the stereotype of reliability and punctuality come from?

Most of the people I know here have flexible working hours, and not an ex-pat in sight. Many choose to start very early in Summer to have more time for family or sport in the evenings.
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