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Sbb characterizes for its insensitive position front the sanctions on trains. No matter whether you knew it before or not, whether it was warned somewhere or whether you are tourist or new in the city. Whatever it can be sanction it will be.

Last week a friend of mine was riding her bike but it was late and she decided to take the train back home. When it was the station previous to her, the train watchers come to check tickets, despite of she could got out in that moment without being checked, she was sure she had everything right and therefore she, feeling very confident, showed her ticket while the train was almost arriving to her station. Her ticket was right but surprisingly, they also ask for the ticket of the bike... She didn't know and of course she couldn't guess as there are not signs regarding that topic that she had to pay also for the bike...

Despite of it was a clear mistake without intention they charged her the 80ch.

And this is only one of the multiple disapointing experiences with sbb sanction in Switzerland. 40 to 50% of the exchange students here get sanctioned just because of ignorance or mistake during their exchanges.
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

And it's always good to see a cyclist get a kick up the arse, for whatever reason.

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And it's always good to see a cyclist get a kick up the arse, for whatever reason. DOUBLE GROAN.

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My God, exchange them back for some smarter ones.
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Re: ZVV tickets for bikes [no ticket, pay fine]

I know someone, who know someone, who got into a similar situation and got fined the 80 CHF for not having the extra night "zuschlag".

He sent a letter to SBB and argued saying he had no idea he needed one, since nothing on the SBB ticket machine mentioned it!
He got a reply saying it was actually not fair to fine him as if he paid no ticket at all, and reduced the fine to the mistake of not having paid the needed extra.



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Sbb characterizes for its insensitive position front the sanctions on trains. No matter whether you knew it before or not, whether it was warned somewhere or whether you are tourist or new in the city. Whatever it can be sanction it will be.

Last week a friend of mine was riding her bike but it was late and she decided to take the train back home. When it was the station previous to her, the train watchers come to check tickets, despite of she could got out in that moment without being checked, she was sure she had everything right and therefore she, feeling very confident, showed her ticket while the train was almost arriving to her station. Her ticket was right but surprisingly, they also ask for the ticket of the bike... She didn't know and of course she couldn't guess as there are not signs regarding that topic that she had to pay also for the bike...

Despite of it was a clear mistake without intention they charged her the 80ch.

And this is only one of the multiple disapointing experiences with sbb sanction in Switzerland. 40 to 50% of the exchange students here get sanctioned just because of ignorance or mistake during their exchanges.
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And this is only one of the multiple disapointing experiences with sbb sanction in Switzerland. 40 to 50% of the exchange students here get sanctioned just because of ignorance or mistake during their exchanges.
So what do you expect? Special rules for exchange students who are too cheap to buy tickets or too lazy to learn the local rules?
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Re: ZVV tickets for bikes [no ticket, pay fine]

Lucky.

A friend of mine was fined just for buying the wrong one as he didn't understand the machine. The good one costs 5 ch and he took one for 4 ch. He had to pay the 80 ch and he couldn't even get to his home because he had to change the train and therefore due to the time (last night train) buy a new good ticket for which he had not enough money left...

At 4 am with -15 degrees and after being charged with 80ch he had to walk 20 min back home...

@the previous post: ... this post wasn't made to receive inpolite and discriminatory replies.
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
ja, oui, si, gea.
The info may sometimes be very difficult to get. Nobody in Basel and Zürich dared to give me the rules for folding bikes (Faltrad)... the SBB was easier on that one. So I don't dare to fold my vehicle in trams yet. With better weather coming, I'd love to know.
It's hard to be obedient to rules sometimes. (Sweating smiley would be nice here). But I don't give up, I will know one day.
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At 4 am with -15 degrees and after being charged with 80ch he had to walk 20 min back home...
Ah! Poor lamb!

A whole 20 minute walk home?

Is he going to apply for compensation?
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Nobody in Basel and Zürich dared to give me the rules for folding bikes (Faltrad)..
Half price ticket...?



(there is some seriousness to that statement since tandem bikes require 2 tickets!)

source: http://www.zvv.ch/en/tickets/tickets...s/bicycle.html
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Half price ticket...?
Why rolling eyes? Folded, it could also be a luggage, thus free of charge, like in SBB. And I never got a definit answer at present date. You also put a question mark in your message. Nobody knows for sure, not even the Kontroleur I asked were totally sure about it.
For now, I pay bike ticket when needed, but do I really have to? No idea.
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Re: ZVV tickets for bikes [no ticket, pay fine]

Put the folding bike in a case/bag and it'll be fine.
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@the previous post: ... this post wasn't made to receive inpolite and discriminatory replies.
Judging by your other posts, it was made in order to get up to ten posts... So, what are you selling?

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Put the folding bike in a case/bag and it'll be fine.
Just like with dogs. Dog in a bag goes free - in Basel anyway.
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Just like with dogs. Dog in a bag goes free - in Basel anyway.
As do (small) dogs in Zurich do.

source: http://www.zvv.ch/en/tickets/tickets...formation.html
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

And it's always good to see a cyclist get a kick up the arse, for whatever reason.

I always thought ignorance was a bless...bugger...
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Re: ZVV tickets for bikes [no ticket, pay fine]

I had a similar experience with ZVV.

I bought a RETURN ticket to the airport. Important Point - the return ticket costs EXACTLY double the single ticket (figuring it would save the hassle of buying a ticket on my early morning return journey).

On my return journey, I got my ticket checked. I handed it over. Then they asked for my ID and all that stuff - which I figured was a bit bizarre - just for a routine ticket check.

They gave me back my ID and a CHF80 fine.

The return ticket I was sold, by a ZVV agent, at exactly twice the price of a single, actually was not the same as two singles - rather it was time limited (to either a few days or a week).

I wrote to ZVV HQ - and they wrote back to say...
- I should have read the full T&C's listed on their website before traveling with ZVV (honestly!)
- The fine was reduced to CHF40


At least one good thing came of this exercise... we now drive the car EVERYWHERE

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The return ticket I was sold, by a ZVV agent, at exactly twice the price of a single, actually was not the same as two singles - rather it was time limited (to either a few days or a week).
It is limited to 24 hours, and I'm pretty sure it says that on the ticket.

Return tickets in most countries have similar restrictions, unless you specifically purchase an Open Return, or the local equivalent.

We've all made mistakes on public transport, but that doesn't make the public transport providers cruel and heartless.

We're big boys and girls. We really ought to take responsibility for ourselves and face the music when we cock it up.

It's not like the information isn't available: It is, and usually in English, too.
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My God, exchange them back for some smarter ones.
ha ha ha, very drole
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So what do you expect? Special rules for exchange students who are too cheap to buy tickets or too lazy to learn the local rules?
Local rules: it's pretty easy to dodge the ticket inspectors. If you get caught, then you're slipping
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Ah! Poor lamb!

A whole 20 minute walk home?

Is he going to apply for compensation?
20 minutes for a swiss = 5 minutes for a manc.

Not bashing anyone, just saying people in Zurich walk incredibly slowly. Some of the times I've been quoted for walking distances have been ludicrous

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Judging by your other posts, it was made in order to get up to ten posts... So, what are you selling?

Just like with dogs. Dog in a bag goes free - in Basel anyway.
You mean a doggy bag?

Whats this about ten posts?
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Whats this about ten posts?

To post an advert in For Sale/Wanted, one has to be a member for seven days and have made ten posts.

Since the rule was introduced a few weeks ago, we've noticed quite a few people posting drivel just to get their post count up to ten.

It's a small price to pay to deter spammers, though, and provides a little entertainment on an overcast Sunday...
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20 minutes for a swiss = 5 minutes for a manc.

Not bashing anyone, just saying people in Zurich walk incredibly slowly. Some of the times I've been quoted for walking distances have been ludicrous
They are factoring in old people. Plus they don't want you to arrive late.
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