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Old 19.06.2007, 08:28
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Re: I want a croissant

The bakers in Zurich Hauptbahnhof, at the top of the S4/S10 escalators does quite nice croissants.
My early shift fortification food.

And, er, even Starbucks manages a better one than most places.
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Old 19.06.2007, 11:51
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<snip>Is this an example of how small the local economy is, ie that Zurich can only support one frozen baked goods manufacturer, or an indication of cartels in action, or a sign that no small bakers make their own products these days?
Often a chain of bakeries uses one central 'oven' and then ships the goodies out across the city. I'd imagine this is a purely economical decision. Perhaps the more independent or isolated bakeries still get up at 3am to knead the dough. There are, however, plenty of wonderful bakeries which remain independent in Zurich. We just have to support them
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Old 19.06.2007, 12:13
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Re: I want a croissant

I think its a little of both. Apparently it's just not very economical for small bakeries to produce everything themselves from scratch these days.

Mr. Bartholemew's dad used to deliver baked goods from a big manufacturer to individual bakeries, and I was surprised at how many bakeries use frozen croissants or sell goods that are baked not only off-site but by another bakery.

I remember waiting in line at Milchbar, a cafe/bakery just off Paradeplatz. Someone asked why their danishes taste so much like those at Spruengli's cafe, and the Milchbar lady said they are actually a supplier to Spruengli!! This would probably come as a surprise to Spruengli customers, who are willing to pay a big mark-up compared to other bakeries for "Spruengli-baked" goods.

As for the gipfeli, some bakeries make their own, some bake frozen ones from Hiestand other bulk suppliers, and some - as Uncle Max says - bake at a larger facility outside of Zurich and ship them in.

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It seems in Zurich that there's only one manufacturer of gipfeli. I'm a great fan of schoggi gipfel, and it seems that regardless of which retailer I go into (eg Kleiner Feiner, Jung, ...) they all sell exactly the same type.

I asked my local shop about them, as they also sell the same type, and the guy said: yes they are all from the same place, but the manufacturer does make them very well.

Is this an example of how small the local economy is, ie that Zurich can only support one frozen baked goods manufacturer, or an indication of cartels in action, or a sign that no small bakers make their own products these days?
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Re: I want a croissant

Economy of scale sadly, bakeries producing everything from scratch are very rare. NB You can get two types of croissant, the standard one and "croissant au beurre" which is more buttery. I like ham croissant as well, you got different style, some have chopped ham as a filling, some have wraped ham slices, it depends on the bakery.

Other yummy bakery goods are the classic "ramequin", a small cheese quiche and small cold meat pies, those are also prepared by butchers, different taste than the English ones, more garlicky and continental really.
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Old 19.06.2007, 12:32
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Re: I want a croissant

(sound of drooling on keyboard): sadly, these meat- or cheese-filled pastries are more prevalent - not to mention better by far - in the Western part of Switzerland.

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Economy of scale sadly, bakeries producing everything from scratch are very rare. NB You can get two types of croissant, the standard one and "croissant au beurre" which is more buttery. I like ham croissant as well, you got different style, some have chopped ham as a filling, some have wraped ham slices, it depends on the bakery.

Other yummy bakery goods are the classic "ramequin", a small cheese quiche and small cold meat pies, those are also prepared by butchers, different taste than the English ones, more garlicky and continental really.
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Re: I want a croissant

I'm in Geneva on friday, bus back to my mum, drop my stuff, say hello then off to a good bakery I know next to Parc Geisendorf for a round of those little things and then off to the park to sit in the sun, reading the local paper, after that I'll be ready for apero at 5pm
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Old 19.06.2007, 14:48
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The OP keeps referring to Switzerland universally, but that is a bit of an over-generalization here - in Romandie the bakeries are certainly very 'French'.

Yep, smack on wrist accepted, I should have said German speaking part as hhmbo reminded me, we had very good croissants in Fribourg.
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Old 19.06.2007, 14:58
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Re: I want a croissant

Mind telling us where in Fribourg you found good croissant? Might be moving there!
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Old 19.06.2007, 18:22
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Gnädinger were voted the best Gipfeli bakers in Zürich. http://www.gnaedinger-zh.ch/
i live really close to there and my gf often said that the croissants are very nice... now i have a good reason to stop off and try them there!

also, the choci gipfelis from migros with the little bits of nut on top are very tasty especially if warmed up in the microwave for a moment... but certainly not on the healthy side, nor as pure tasting as a nice simple gipfeli.

i certainly agree that a tasty croissant is a beautiful thing!
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Old 19.06.2007, 22:49
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Mind telling us where in Fribourg you found good croissant? Might be moving there!

It was a cafe just opposite the main station. Can't remember the name but I'm quite prepared to go back and find out.
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Re: I want a croissant

And what is it with calling the croissant shaped bread thing a "gipfelli" in Switzerland? I thought "gipfelli" was German for croissant until I went to Munich and tried to order one - they didn't have a clue what I was talking about until I said "croissant" and then they provided a very nice one albeit with a funny look at the idiot who didn't know what a croissant was called.

Gipfeli is swiss german - gipfel meaning a peak (ie; mountain not sneaky) and swiss tend to add "li" to everything.
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Old 21.06.2007, 12:34
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Re: I want a croissant

I think croissants are called "Hoernchen" is Germany...

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And what is it with calling the croissant shaped bread thing a "gipfelli" in Switzerland? I thought "gipfelli" was German for croissant until I went to Munich and tried to order one - they didn't have a clue what I was talking about until I said "croissant" and then they provided a very nice one albeit with a funny look at the idiot who didn't know what a croissant was called.

Gipfeli is swiss german - gipfel meaning a peak (ie; mountain not sneaky) and swiss tend to add "li" to everything.
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Old 21.06.2007, 12:58
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And what is it with calling the croissant shaped bread thing a "gipfelli" in Switzerland? I thought "gipfelli" was German for croissant until I went to Munich and tried to order one - they didn't have a clue what I was talking about until I said "croissant" and then they provided a very nice one albeit with a funny look at the idiot who didn't know what a croissant was called.

Gipfeli is swiss german - gipfel meaning a peak (ie; mountain not sneaky) and swiss tend to add "li" to everything.
Have you learned to use the quote button yet?

But thanks for that, I really didn't know what Gipfeli meant .

The whole point of the original post was that everywhere else in the world (even in Japan) they call it a croissant . With some notable exceptions as detailed in the thread.
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Have you learned to use the quote button yet?

But thanks for that, I really didn't know what Gipfeli meant .

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no.... not yet - you wanna show me how, you sound soooooo competent
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Re: I want a croissant

... so i guess there's no decent place to get bagels either?

(please, oh, please say this isn't so...! there's gotta be some room for good carbs!!!)
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Re: I want a croissant

I don't know about the bagels but there is a type of bread easily found in Switzerland called "Sils brotchen" which is quite similar to a bagel and could do the trick.
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Old 30.06.2007, 10:54
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The whole point of the original post was that everywhere else in the world (even in Japan) they call it a croissant.
For some values of "call". In California, I got nothing but blank stares when ordering a "croissant", using the proper French pronunciation. I had to either fake a horrible English accent for the pronunciation or jab my finger and say "that bent bread roll here".

Not much of a problem, as pretty much all Californian croissants not made by expat French bakers were borderline inedible to my taste.

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Re: I want a croissant

Im yet to find 'the' crossant here in Zurich. I even am starting to think about and drool over how good Tescos crossants are in London.

Now thats terrible!

but im desperate!
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Old 10.07.2007, 18:57
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Im yet to find 'the' crossant here in Zurich. I even am starting to think about and drool over how good Tescos crossants are in London.

Now thats terrible!

but im desperate!

Yep, I agree with you. I've tried all the suggestions in and around Zurich the thread and not a one comes up to standard. The best in Switzerland for me were found in Fribourg.
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Old 10.07.2007, 19:23
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Re: I want a croissant

[quote=And what is it with calling the croissant shaped bread thing a "gipfelli" in Switzerland? [/quote]


Gipfelli means "little peak". I like it.
St. Jakobs bakery makes a non-swiss big, buttery croissant. (Zürich)
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