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Fishing Rules and Regulations..are they mad??

Hi,

I moved over from Ireland and brought my fishing gear,all happy out i contact some board of fishermen in my canton to ask where i can get a day pass.

Here i was thinking, go into a shop, pay 15 chf or so, and go fishing.. oh no you won't..

Sitting for over 35 minutes with a guy on the phone talking about what todo before you go fishing in Switzerland..Frankly, you get easier in jail then you get to go fishing.. and if you do without knowing the rules, that's where you will end up

According to the good men, you need to :

A: Buy a Day, week month or year ticket for the stretch of water of the lake you want to fish on at a high price

B : Do an Exam, buy a book (56 Chf) and answer 104 questions.
after a small practical test, you will get your Fishing licence.
Fee of the exam and test was not disclosed as he didn't have it , since they are closed till September.. apparently wintertime, when all lakes are frozen,must be a good time to fish.

Now i might be wrong but is that not sucking all the fun out of it? we use to go out Fishing in Blessington lake or the Shannon in Ireland, with just our gear and a simple month or year pass ,nothing else was needed.

In addition to this, they are picky with what you fish.. they want to know how many hooks it has, and if its alive or plastic/gummy etc. as some lakes don't allow it..they do allow hooks and worms..

So its forbidden to use a gummy fish but injuring yourself and killing an innocent worm, thats allowed..

When i contacted a member on this forum about it,( very helpful i must say) he told me that since 2009, it is also no longer allowed , actually forbidden to catch and release the fish..

Does anyone know why on earth they want to do this? that's the fun part.. i love fishing but don't like fish itself that much to take it home.. heck if people ask what do you fish on , i reply " what ever wants to bite the hook "

Does anyone know why these rules are in place

And where in Switzerland you can fish with just a dayticket that won't cost you a 2 person's dinner rate, and allows you fishing without having todo that silly exam

If not, i have to look for another hobby such as making cheese or so.. but where to put the cow..

a new hobby will probably be pinned down by some silly rule also.. so watch this spot as if i don't come to a solution soon, fishing gear and boat will be for sale and if all fails, a cow..

Thanks for helping out

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Re: Fishing Rules and Regulations..are they mad??

He! He! And another case of T.I.S. (this is Switzerland) but it is the same in Germany Austria Italy and in most other countries. Rules, rules, rules.
I think it is a lot to do with the fact that unlike Ireland, a bit of country with a lot of water here you get a lot of country with a bit of water.
Just a thought go for the license I know a few people who have and they say it is a lot of fun and you actually learn interesting stuff about fishing that you would not learn elsewhere.
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Re: Fishing Rules and Regulations..are they mad??

I had also looked into this nd pretty much decided my fav hobby would have to take a back burner in CH despite living right next to a river. No licence required in NZ (except for trout)! But there were rules which all responsible folk took it on themselves to learn.
I think the catch and release thing was discouraged back home because most released fish die soon after. Good Luck!
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Does anyone know why these rules are in place
Too many fishermen and not enough fish?

Besides down here in Neuchâtel they have to combat these birds now which have become a nuisance...



and who are so very fond of our favorite dish, I mean fish, this one.

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How are they going to prove you practiced catch and release? Interview the fish?
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Re: Fishing Rules and Regulations..are they mad??

Google for "Angelteich" (fishing pond), you don't need a fishing license there, and try to find one in the southern black forest or alsace, the rules are not that strict there. The reason for the high prices for licenses is that fishing clubs own exclusive licenses for whole rivers and lakes, and are then also responsible for putting new fish in the lakes-which costs them quite a lot also.
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If not, i have to look for another hobby such as making cheese or so.. but where to put the cow..
Unfortunately, the requirements for owning a cow are even more vigorous. After all, this is a country made world famous by its cheese and chocolate, and not its fish products. One would have to read such courses as, amongst others, Moo als Fremdsprache, Kuh Erste Nothilfe, Cow Psychology etc etc. This would earn one a basic Kuh Zertifikat. For the kleines Kuhdiplom, "Taming of the moo" is a required text.

alternatively, you could participate in some organised cow-pooling

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Re: Fishing Rules and Regulations..are they mad??

On the four lakes in Kt. ZH you can fish from the bank with a single rod for free. Most of the other cantons have that on the lakes as well. The rivers are as they are on the better parts of the Shannon, leased out - for those you need day tickets. You don't need a SaNA for a day ticket but the leasee does not have to sell you a day ticket either.

Catch and release is forbidden because fishing is for food - but you know how it is, fish are slippery.

The test is fairly simple, almost insulting, and you need it to get licenses in other parts of Europe as well - for instance France, Germany, Czech, Slovakia, Austria etc.
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Re: Fishing Rules and Regulations..are they mad??

I too considered fishing, but the officious barstewards have indeed sucked all the fun out of it.
I went coarse fishing for trout somewhere along the Limat in Zürich with a Swiss friend who was a member of the fishing club for that particular section of the river. We filled out an extensive form, that I was told on pain of death to keep with me at all times.
I naiively thought, "4:30 am on a Saturday, no-one's going to be around to check!" Not only did I spend an unhappy 2 hours getting run over by hundreds of joggers, I annoyed three grumpy looking sods by being able to present the correct form when asked.
I then had the misfortune of actually catching a little brown trout. My friend sh!t a brick, and spend the next 10 minutes pulling it back and forth against a ruler, trying to work out if it was legal, or whether we should put it back (whereupon it would float away downstream, being quite dead).

Nope, do something else, or fish at night at a remote spot (apparently quite a popular pastime).

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Too many fishermen and not enough fish?

Besides down here in Neuchâtel they have to combat these birds now which have become a nuisance...



and who are so very fond of our favorite dish, I mean fish, this one.

So in order to help the country, you say i should buy a gun and shoot those damn birds? surely you need a cert to own a gun also
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Re: Fishing Rules and Regulations..are they mad??

Many thanks all for the replies, happy to see i'm not the only one.

I don't mind once we are september, going up and do the exam but it beats the fun out of it as a friend that visits, can't come and fish with me as he doesn't have the cert.

and fishing alone is no fun what so ever..

I received some info today that you don't need a cert or daypass on certain lakes as long as you fish with one hook and natural bait.. but then i have to change my gear

but there is hope, will dig into to that over the weekend and see what can be done , and what not..
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Many thanks all for the replies, happy to see i'm not the only one.

I don't mind once we are september, going up and do the exam but it beats the fun out of it as a friend that visits, can't come and fish with me as he doesn't have the cert.
I did (and passed) the test a month or so ago and buggered if I can remember the details but - single rod, worm, fly upto size 8 (prevents you streaming for pike) free from the banks. A lake patent (pass) costs 25/day and then you can do anything you like more or less ( I think trebles are no-no). A SaNa allows you to buy monthy/yearly passes and use all sorts of things.

So your buddy can come and fish here on a day pass no problem. But I have to tell you. Ireland is remarkably lax in these things. In Germany you have to visit a 30 hour course and a days exam (only held once a year) to get a license to fish!!
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I too considered fishing, but the officious barstewards have indeed sucked all the fun out of it.
I went coarse fishing for trout somewhere along the Limat in Zürich with a Swiss friend who was a member of the fishing club for that particular section of the river. We filled out an extensive form, that I was told on pain of death to keep with me at all times.
I naiively thought, "4:30 am on a Saturday, no-one's going to be around to check!" Not only did I spend an unhappy 2 hours getting run over by hundreds of joggers, I annoyed three grumpy looking sods by being able to present the correct form when asked.
I then had the misfortune of actually catching a little brown trout. My friend sh!t a brick, and spend the next 10 minutes pulling it back and forth against a ruler, trying to work out if it was legal, or whether we should put it back (whereupon it would float away downstream, being quite dead).

Nope, do something else, or fish at night at a remote spot (apparently quite a popular pastime).

Cheers

Jim
Well I wouldn't agree with much of that. I've seen some fishermen in action and frankly their behaviour was a disgrace. The local lads (on the shannon) used to go fishing for pike and cut their initials into the skin (between the eyes was the favourtie spot) before throwing the fish back. Others stamping on eels. I've seen French fishermen pull hooks straight out of mouths and throw the maimed fish back. The guy who pulled out that huge Wels - how many times did the fish slip out of its hands before he got the photo? And he was holding it up by the jaws. There is a youtube with some Slav guy pulling a pike out of an ice hole by its eyes.

Its always a mistake to assume people are as humane as youself. One should try to establish a standard of behaviour.

If you catch a fish that is undersized and isn't going to make it you have to kill it and throw it back.
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Re: Fishing Rules and Regulations..are they mad??

I took a fishing course in my boarding school only to find out that I no longer enjoy fishing in Switzerland. Three reasons....The license is only good for certain areas and you must take a different fishing exam for each location. The second reason I don't like fishing in Switzerland is that you can't use barbed hooks,scented lines,catch nets and depth finders. And the third reason is that the water is too clear and the fish are way too smart. You have to hide behind rocks and be very silent in order to catch a fish in the river. It's not like Texas...can't just cast bait and wait with a cold one all while jamming Lynyrd Skynyrd!!
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Too many fishermen and not enough fish?

Besides down here in Neuchâtel they have to combat these birds now which have become a nuisance...



and who are so very fond of our favorite dish, I mean fish, this one.

but my sympathies are with the "Cormorans" (Kormorane) and NOT with either amateur or professional fishermen
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but my sympathies are with the "Cormorans" (Kormorane) and NOT with either amateur or professional fishermen
Yes me too, I really like those look-how-lovely-I-am-come-under-my-wings-birds, they're mighty cute and can hang around of course,

but for some reason they've become just too many,
and they practically rid the lake of the perch those gluttons.
Just needs a little re-balancing there so we can have some of that fish too.
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Yes me too, I really like those look-how-lovely-I-am-come-under-my-wings-birds, they're mighty cute and can hang around of course,

but for some reason they've become just too many,
and they practically rid the lake of the perch those gluttons.
Just needs a little re-balancing there so we can have some of that fish too.
Cormorans are sea birds for christs sake - can you all quit this fluffy "ah poor birdies, bad fishermen" bull. ta muchly
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I took a fishing course in my boarding school only to find out that I no longer enjoy fishing in Switzerland. Three reasons....The license is only good for certain areas and you must take a different fishing exam for each location. The second reason I don't like fishing in Switzerland is that you can't use barbed hooks,scented lines,catch nets and depth finders. And the third reason is that the water is too clear and the fish are way too smart. You have to hide behind rocks and be very silent in order to catch a fish in the river. It's not like Texas...can't just cast bait and wait with a cold one all while jamming Lynyrd Skynyrd!!
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Cormorans are sea birds for christs sake - can you all quit this fluffy "ah poor birdies, bad fishermen" bull. ta muchly
Don't look my way Irish man.
I haven't said a word against fishermen and I'll be as fluffy as I want to be when and if I want to be et toc !!
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Don't look my way Irish man.
I haven't said a word against fishermen and I'll be as fluffy as I want to be when and if I want to be et toc !!
its an ugly, greedy, promiscuous bird that you can't even eat.
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