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Old 10.07.2010, 09:45
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I'm obliged to pay how much?!! [Livit and repair costs]

Having moved into a maisonette apartment in a great area of Zürich, which on the surface at least appeared to be in good condition (rennovated 2003), the wife and I are slowly realising that the rennovation was done by a bunch of drunk monkeys on a budget of peanuts.
The place is slowly disintegrating around us, we've had the electrician called out three times after spending a couple of very dark, quiet evenings, the plumber five times, and the kitchen fitter is coming out next week.

I was therefore rather surprised to get a bill for one of the electrician's visits (CHF 140), to replace a flourescent tube in the bathroom (two tubes actually, as the first replacement blew immediately). Being naiive, and seeing that there was a "You pay for little jobs below CHF 150,", clause in the contract, I coughed up.

Maybe this set off the 'Sucker Detector' in the L!vit offices, as I have just received a bill for CHF 195 for the replacement of the kitchen mixer tap, that failed quite spectacularly a couple of weeks ago, flooding the kitchen. Annoyed the hell out of the wife who had to mop it up, the bubba thought driving his toy cars through a centimetre of water was great fun.

I went ape-sh!t at the Verwaltung representative, quite impressing her with my flowery Schwiezerdeutsch, describing in great detail where she could stick her bill, and after a frank and forthright exchange of views, she told me that I was liable for all jobs that cost less than 1% of the annual rental amount! Nearly CHF 370! WTF!! I'm a landlord myself of a property in the UK, and I wouldn't dream of trying this sort of crap on my tennants.

As a paid up member of the Mietverein, I consulted the help line, and they said that the 1% rule sounded strange, but I should enter the details of the case online, and one of their experts would give his opinion on the matter. The Mietverein lady said that normally bills up to CHF 150 were the tennant's responsibility, but this (as usual in Der Schwiez) was not a hard and fast rule.
Let's see what the expert says, but in any case my take on it is ,"Why the hell should I be paying for the upkeep and maintenance of the property that I rent?" I'll bet the Verwaltung submits the bills I've paid to the taxman to lower their tax liability.
Bar Stewards the lot of them,

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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!!

I can only shake my head slowly and empathise with you, the renting system here is nothing short of backwards in many respects. The Uk in comparison is 10x more hassle free as a tenant. I hope you get some results, and post them here so others can see your progress.
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!!

Keep all receipts for maintenance and repairs and deduct them from your taxes. I have never heard of either a CHF150 or 1% limit. Is this in your rental contract?? You can't have both...
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!!

Can't you just forward all these bills to your insurance company (assuming you have insurance)?
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Keep all receipts for maintenance and repairs and deduct them from your taxes. I have never heard of either a CHF150 or 1% limit. Is this in your rental contract?? You can't have both...
I will be asking for a copy of the relevant paragraph from the contract, let's see what happens. You're right, this smells funny to me too.
I cannot imagine that the taxman is going to allow me to claim for work done on a property that is not my own.....

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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!!

After having some very "strange" experiences here in Switzerland in regards to renting, I decided the best thing for every foreigner here is to join the Mietverein...

The whole rental system here is run by people who know more than you - as a foreigner - and will screw you for every penny they can. Corrupt bunch, don't know why something isn't done about it....
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After having some very "strange" experiences here in Switzerland in regards to renting, I decided the best thing for every foreigner here is to join the Mietverein...

The whole rental system here is run by people who know more than you - as a foreigner - and will screw you for every penny they can. Corrupt bunch, don't know why something isn't done about it....
Probably because those who might be able to change it are landlord as well....
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Probably because those who might be able to change it are landlord as well....
Yes, very probably. By the way, just a tidbit of info. When you move out of an apartment - at least it is so in mine - I have to pay ca. Fr140 for a guy to come and service the dishwasher. This means checking the rubber on it and refilling the salt etc... And I am quite sure I shall have to pay the full amount despite always refilling these things myself... just so you know... bloody cheek... I could understand if someone comes and sees the machine has been abused, but otherwise, bloody cheek!
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!!

Yep.

You pay a rent for what if you have to pay for every little service on the household?

In canada, it is on the landlord to furnished the paint when you move in and you don't have to pay when something breaks. This is why landlord have insurances for!
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!! [Livit and repair costs]

Livit did the same with us when a tap was leaking in the bathroom and needed to be repaired.

Be prepared for the day when you move out, Livit will not make your life easy.
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Keep all receipts for maintenance and repairs and deduct them from your taxes. I have never heard of either a CHF150 or 1% limit. Is this in your rental contract?? You can't have both...
We had the 1% clause in our contract for an apartment in Wallisellen. We only got stung with one bill though.
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!! [Livit and repair costs]

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Livit did the same with us when a tap was leaking in the bathroom and needed to be repaired.

Be prepared for the day when you move out, Livit will not make your life easy.
If fairness to Livit, they're all daylight robbers, not just Livit.
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!! [Livit and repair costs]

Livit is, however, known for being particularly intent on fleecing tenants:

Livit and Nebenkosten (frais annexes)
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Livit is, however, known for being particularly intent on fleecing tenants:

Livit and Nebenkosten (frais annexes)
Livit are particularly bad...in addition to the thread Snoopy posted, there's another: Livit AG - Your opinions please?
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I went ape-sh!t at the Verwaltung representative, quite impressing her with my flowery Schwiezerdeutsch, describing in great detail where she could stick her bill, and after a frank and forthright exchange of views, she told me that I was liable for all jobs that cost less than 1% of the annual rental amount! Nearly CHF 370!
Now, now, be fair and play by their rules ...next time someone comes to fix anything in your apartment, even just changing a light-bulb, insist the bill is for a minimum 370 CHF

I rented an apartment from Livid, er Livit, and they milked me for every rappen they could. I was furious at them and swore them off. I currently rent from the local Geminde Pensionskasse and they are great. They just sent an electrician to all apartments to check electricity, and replaced some stuff, no charge. Fixed my sink at no cost too. Livit would have blamed me for everything and sent me a bill.
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!! [Livit and repair costs]

When we have small(ish) repairs we have to pay for these ourselves - quite honestly, I've never really taken much notice, because it doesn't really happen very often.

However, during the last 3 years our dishwasher, the fridge, the washing machine and the tumbler all broke down (after 15 years!). We informed Wincasa and they sent the suitable people to take a look. All machines were replaced absolutely free of charge and with no hassle whatsoever.
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I was therefore rather surprised to get a bill for one of the electrician's visits (CHF 140), to replace a flourescent tube in the bathroom (two tubes actually, as the first replacement blew immediately).
Who on earth needs an electrician to replace a fluorescent tube?????
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!! [Livit and repair costs]

Eh.... I don't think yer supposed to ask that question heehee
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Who on earth needs an electrician to replace a fluorescent tube?????
That's sort of what I was thinking. In Suisse Romande, you supply the fixtures yourself and we own our own appliances as well. The only thing that came with the flat is the stove and fridge. We have two ceiling fans and when one of them broke, we had to replace it ourselves. Duh - because it was ours to begin with!

We rent unfurnished because 1) we have our own, and 2) It reduces complications.

Our regis is Rytz and one of the owners still lives in the same building (Nice old coot too ).
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Re: I'm obliged to pay how much?!! [Livit and repair costs]

We too had similar experiences with other company named !ntercity. We delayed for some time but finally had to pay the exorbitant bills. These companies are good at identifying their preys for survival. The best protection is to have household insurance which can minimize the damage.
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