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Old 05.11.2010, 09:57
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That was great service on part of Ikea to offer you someone who speaks English. In the US, they would have probably said "What? Speak English!"
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I had similar experience to this some years ago, until I started moving furniture around in the store, you should have seen the look on the sale persons faces "Oh no this guy is giving more work to do! I must run over and see what`s this customers problem?" I had five sales persons come and ask me in French/English "Can I help you?"

The same works well in Car Showrooms just release the hand brake and push the car forward.
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That was great service on part of Ikea to offer you someone who speaks English. In the US, they would have probably said "What? Speak English!"
Great service from Ikea for sure!

From the guy, it is an other story. Yes she should have used some basic introductions words in french. But the guy didn't have to act like an ass for that. This ''I am going to teach you'' attitude didn't bring him any good because he had to help her anyway...
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Errr no...I was insulting MY level of German which is non-existent and was trying to talk to a guy whose English was even probably worse than my German when she interrupted us.
I was a bit shocked and forgot about the situation but it got me thinking WTF?? BTW I am 99% of the times very polite unless of course you are actually asking for a piece of me
Maybe I didn't understand what you wrote originally. I thought you approached her, saw her surname and spoke to her in Spanish automatically rather than in German. This has happened to me a few times (obviously with people speaking to me in English instead of French) and, while the intention may be good, it can be frustrating at times.
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I had similar experience to this some years ago, until I started moving furniture around in the store, you should have seen the look on the sale persons faces "Oh no this guy is giving more work to do! I must run over and see what`s this customers problem?" I had five sales persons come and ask me in French/English "Can I help you?"

The same works well in Car Showrooms just release the hand brake and push the car forward.
I've actually tried this and in IKEA you'd be surprised how much stuff you can re-arrange before anybody notices. The one time I tried it it even resulted in other customers asking me for advice, assuming I must be an employee seeing I'm doing that.

So maybe IKEA doesn't actually have employees but the most disgrunteld customers end up serving the others. This would explain the reaction of thge salesman to the OP
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This ''I am going to teach you'' attitude didn't bring him any good because he had to help her anyway...

no, you see you misunderstand this... by standing up to the rude treatment HE received he has created a moral victory for all underpaid overworked shopkeepers everywhere!!


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Yes well I think Anna Ikea could be replacement for store employees one day, just imagine Anna working in a number of different situations?

Anna Flight attendant?

Anna Bank cashier?

Anna Police woman?

Anna Supermarket checkout person?


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I am sorry to harp on what has been said, but I have had more positive experiences than negative ones in France and Germany (and Switzerland for that matter) just by attempting the languages. While learning German most folks were just happy to see a foreigner giving it a go. My French is weak on a good day, but despite apprehension service workers in Paris were nice to me. "J'aimerais bien une croissant" or something...the guy just smiled, and continued on. (My wife speaks French so I would know if he dissed me)

In my experience effort goes a long way, and I encourage everyone to learn a line or two of a greeting. You could even look up a vocab word before heading some place, so you could say it and point. (Tisch. Tisch und Stuhl. Schrank für Kleider.) Given, not all folks are going to be nice, and even with correct vocab or pronunciation you could be in for negativity. That is their hang-up, and you are giving some effort for integration, whether your name is Francois or Urs. Not sure about Ivan.

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I am sorry to harp on what has been said, but I have had more positive experiences than negative ones in France and Germany (and Switzerland for that matter) just by attempting the languages. While learning German most folks were just happy to see a foreigner giving it a go. My French is weak on a good day, but despite apprehension service workers in Paris were nice to me. "J'aimerais bien une croissant" or something...the guy just smiled, and continued on. (My wife

But on EF, there is a reality vortex that turns any such event into "The Swiss at IKEA were rude to me.... because I'm a foreigner." I'm starting to develop an appreciation for the comedy of these anecdotes of supposed Swiss xenophobia.

I think I'll start cheering for the Swiss.
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I think every foreigners who complain because someone doesn't speak their language should go to a country where the majority of the population don't speak his language at all!

In Istanbul you MUST learn the language if you want to survive outside the touristic spot without getting rip off. Best exemple:

Blue Mosque and Aya Sofia ground has some shop selling water and other stuff. Here is a typical poster of price:

Water: 2 TL
Su: Bir TL

Bir means 1

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..a lawsuit would be quick to follow and not just a complaint.
Yeah, you try a law suit here, in Suisse, for a medical malpractice. Good luck, especially after those 8 beers and yelling at the staff...

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Is this from the show I loved to watch when I lived in England? The fur coat reminds it...


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Bah, you just want to be different, don't you...
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Is this from the show I loved to watch when I lived in England? The fur coat reminds it...

This is from Citizen Smith ... who like all good anarchists later went on to become a dentist ( well the actor that is )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Smith
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This is from Citizen Smith ... who like all good anarchists later went on to become a dentist ( well the actor that is )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Smith

I loved that show... Wish they showed it again. They are showing Only Fools and Horses, didn't know it's by the same guy.
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I loved that show... Wish they showed it again. They are showing Only Fools and Horses, didn't know it's by the same guy.

the same writer but different actor "wolfie" ( citizen smith ) is the lead actor in "my family" which you can catch on sky TV.

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Yessir...

I can't complain about IKEA much, though...they kick ass in our area. Especially now, when Aubonne got so much more free and managable since they opened the Vernier one. They do nice mussels on Thur and Fri nights for 5fr..
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a friend of mine is a real IKEA freak... she could live there if they let her but in fact lives in Vernier.. almost in eyeshot of the new IKEA but she still shops at the Aubonne one in her very own private protest against what they did to the traffic in her village.


mussels for 5Chf?... I think I'd shy away from that... I got ahold of a bad oyster once ( no , not at IKEA ) and it's left me gun shy for getting seafood at places I can't actually see the sea.

now.. a couple of those 1chf hotdog deals... that IS quality food.
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a friend of mine is a real IKEA freak... she could live there if they let her but in fact lives in Vernier.. almost in eyeshot of the new IKEA but she still shops at the Aubonne one in her very own private protest against what they did to the traffic in her village.


mussels for 5Chf?... I think I'd shy away from that... I got ahold of a bad oyster once ( no , not at IKEA ) and it's left me gun shy for getting seafood at places I can't actually see the sea.

now.. a couple of those 1chf hotdog deals... that IS quality food.
Well, I got explained that if the weird little lining sticks to the wall of the mussel shell, then it is bad. They did look weird, though, I wouldn't eat them. I am a sausage person. I even bought a bag of those frozen Swedish meat balls, they fry great. The wine is nice, Rolle I think.

I haven't noticed any flags on our Ikea folks. They are quite helpful, we can't complain...They ordered us a new bed linen cabinet key, when my child lost our key to the locked cabinet. It came all the way from Sweden.

I still can't get over the Ge Ikea rude person, it does surprise in Geneva, a tad.
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I still can't get over the Ge Ikea rude person, it does surprise in Geneva, a tad.

my take on that as is in my first post... perhaps shop clerks shouldnt try to teach customers manners but fact remains they do.

OP , IMO, got what he bargained for. be rude = get rude
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my take on that as is in my first post... perhaps shop clerks shouldnt try to teach customers manners but fact remains they do.

OP , IMO, got what he bargained for. be rude = get rude
See..Is it really rude to say Hi in English? In our neck of the woods? Where mostly anyone you meet in an anglophone? What if he was worried about bad French accent, etc etc..And in a country where people speak English sooooo damn well (and that clerk was actually designated to help English speaking customers). So, as an ex serving wench myself, I still prefer professional work attitude and shrugging some customer's weirdness off with a chukle wanting to just cruise above it, rather than feeling entitled to giving them a lesson.
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See..Is it really rude to say Hi in English?.

my feeling ? .. yes... especially when according to the OP's transcript a somewhat moody clerk was trying to coax the OP into a simple bonjour and then the OP without word of apology simply asked the clerk if he spoke English ( implying that the clerk, in a position of servitude should )


yes OP was rude, not in the simple fact of saying Hi, but in not offering as much as a "so sorry"

IMO. .. now.. where did I leave that bloody giraffe suit
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