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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

You could also download some music appreciation bits for car rides, and tell them it is for you (maybe they will unplug their ears and leave their ipods alone for a bit...)...

BBC does some wonderful programs with classical music, they also have Proms on tv every now and then, it's catchy and very likeable.
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It's a development thing, teenagers these days find it difficult to find out what sounds good or is edgy or new, because it all sounds the same, all written by the man for the almighty dollar, the 12 year old market is big bucks.

I used to listen to linkin park, (well the first album anyway), but at uni I got more into what my parents had been listening to when they where younger, led zeppelin, Lynyrd skynyrd, bands that had ballads and complex tunes.
I think the change in music has come from a lack of emphasis on learning classical techniques by newer bands.

Also learning an instrument yourself can help you understand music, and broaden your musical horizons.

To put it bluntly Bach or Chopin can induce a multitude of emotions and is similar to reading (with full understanding) Dostoevsky or Tolstoy, linkin park is more of a 'Dan Brown'.
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Oh and just to be a pedant, Bach is Baroque period music and Chopin is Romantic period music, neither one is 'Classical music'.
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Oh and just to be a pedant, Bach is Baroque period music and Chopin is Romantic period music, neither one is 'Classical music'.
Ok. Now that's the biggest pedantry I have seen here, hahaha...Far worse than the odd little grammar pokes that some get off by..
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music snobs are worse than wine snobs.
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Firstly, don't assume because some is banging their guitars or drums hard that it doesn't take a high level of skill to do what they're doing.


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Teenagers will always listen to manufactured rubbish no matter what and trying to stop them from listening to it will only make it seem cooler to them.



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It's a development thing, teenagers these days find it difficult to find out what sounds good or is edgy or new, because it all sounds the same, all written by the man for the almighty dollar, the 12 year old market is big bucks.
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I used to listen to linkin park, (well the first album anyway), but at uni I got more into what my parents had been listening to when they where younger, led zeppelin, Lynyrd skynyrd, bands that had ballads and complex tunes.
It seems MaryJane might have had something to do with that

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Also learning an instrument yourself can help you understand music, and broaden your musical horizons.




To the OP , get them rock band or guitar hero. It has a lot of good songs that can get them into some good 'ol rock. Eventually they'll figure their way out to something like this:

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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

All snoberry sucks.




(the worst snobs are those who snear at you eating cold, cold! french fries...)

On the other hand, just because I find Linking Park boring does not make one snob. Personal taste. Saying how terrible it is in people's faces is snoberry, I agree, that's pretty rare, though. Guys in my bands were killing me over the snob muzzak fights, who has more records, who's complete, who ordered what, brag brag brag..At the end of the day, they didn't seem more into music than people who don't get off by collecting. So, it is all about experiencing it, even if your buddie dislikes it. Just live the music, consume it.
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All snoberry sucks.




(the worst snobs are those who snear at you eating cold, cold! french fries...)

On the other hand, just because I find Linking Park boring does not make one snob. Personal taste. Saying how terrible it is in people's faces is snoberry, I agree, that's pretty rare, though. Guys in my bands were killing me over the snob muzzak fights, who has more records, who's complete, who ordered what, brag brag brag..At the end of the day, they didn't seem more into music than people who don't get off by collecting. So, it is all about experiencing it, even if your buddie dislikes it. Just live the music, consume it.
agreed. having preferences is fine, but snobbery begins once those preferences are used to judge those of others. i'm not a fan of linkin park but i completely understand how others can like them. and i'm not going to get into a pissing contest with another person trying to find the most obscure album of an obscure band to prove how i, and the bands i listen to, havent sold out to the Man.
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

Yeah, that's true. It's actually really irritating, it shows more googeling and utubing skills than anything else... People are willing to trademark their search enging results, almost, just to one up the other. Cracks me up.






On the other hand, if it's obsure, gimme. Interesting obscure. Not obscure for the coolness factor Hahaha, we bunch of fussy weirdos.

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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

Well I'm going to raise the snobbery bar a bit and say the only thing Faith No More was good for was to finance Patton's proper musical endeavours..
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music snobs are worse than wine snobs.
Yeap. Couldnt agree more. As someone said earlier, music is so subjective. Doesnt mean that someone who likes Rhianna, the Killers or Linkin Park says that they've got terrible taste in music. As for saying that these bands are talentless - well, they've performed to sell-out crowds in many stadiums around the world and you're bitching about them behind your computer screen. Who's the b***ch now?


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I feel sad that my kids dont like classical music at all and dont even
give it a chance because i would like them to know that classical music is the base for all music and then i would also like someone to come with me
i dont know anyone who likes classical music

Anyway , do you think it might be too late for teenagers to ever like
classical music ?


What are the chances i may be able to save their souls ?

Do you think Linkin park is just social pressure , peer pressure and all that
or do you think they make good music ? if so why?

Is there anyone out there who likes classical music but has no one
around who likes to tag along ? If so please let me know
If you want to attend classical concerts, go to meetup.com. There's a group who meets up for classical concerts in the Tonehalle regularly. Alternatively, nothing wrong at all with attending it yourself. More often than not, I still cant find people to attend classical concerts with (even in my 30s - so its not just teenagers who arent into classical music!) and I am quite happy going alone.

As for "saving their souls", what are you, a Sunday school teacher?? Music is subjective - and during your teenage years, it is also part peer pressure. I was teased awfully back then because I wasnt into New Kids On the Block and preferred Axl Rose and his posse, Skid Row, Warrant and the likes. I was even more uncool because I was into classical music at the same time. Lets turn this thing on its head - the reason why you dont appreciate Linkin Park is the same as to why your kids dont appreciate classical. They dont get it.

Now, I personally like Linkin Park's music - and no I am not a teenager (physically). Their fusion of nu and rap metal is pretty neat and the reason why they stand out is because they made it so radio friendly. I also really like the band members side projects - for example, Fort Minor which is Mike Shinoda's baby, is more hip hop. Again, not everyone's cuppa tea because oh, its full of cussing

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On the other hand, if it's obsure, gimme. Interesting obscure. Not obscure for the coolness factor Hahaha, we bunch of fussy weirdos.
Like Hipsters? Is that subculture even known on this side of pond?

High Fidelity summed up music snobbery nicely:

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well i'm going to raise the snobbery bar a bit and say the only thing faith no more was good for was to finance patton's proper musical endeavours..
Blasphemy!!!!!!!!!
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

Oh look, it's just about being open. Your kids will like what they like, but they have a greater chance of learning to love other types of music, if you show that you, too, are prepared to experience different music. Your reactions to LP are giving them an example for how to react to the music that they're not familiar with.

My daughter is 'musical' and played cello, oboe and piano (no conscious effort to play instruments ending with O, despite evidence to the contrary). I learned a great deal about classical music from what she was playing. She gave it up in her mid teens and latched on to the likes of Korn, but has an abiding love for the Beatles, Beethoven and old musicals.

My son is not musical in the same way, but loves to listen to and experience music. He has introduced me to musicians I would never have heard and who I now love. I love it when he sends me 'mixed tapes to educate Mum'.

I heard an interview once with an music educator, and he said that if you make the effort to listen to music that you normally wouldn't listen to - even if you don't particularly like it - it helps open pathways in your brain. It was particularly relevant to me at the time, as my husband had just had a brain hemorrhage and brain surgery. I like to think that listening to a wide range of music has helped his recovery.
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seriously... teens don't give a damn about any trumpet playing band... it ain't what they call rock and roll...
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Like Hipsters? Is that subculture even known on this side of pond?

High Fidelity summed up music snobbery nicely:

Hahah, yeah. Nice buttcrack right there...

Hipsters, you mean beatnicks and all? I am tired of scene that only throws a revolution since they need to negate something, rebel against something, define themselves through rejection and do not use their own palate, taste and appreciation skills as a point of reference. Snobs. When people need to invent something to be better than others...snoberry wouldn't exist if they didn't have the audience to show off to and snear at. It's silly.

Selling giants music halls does not say anything about the quality of music. About marketing, good PRing, having sufficient support, knowing what teens want, pc skills, whatever they need to sell it to the average taste. I am not against it, who I am to preach, whatever rocks people's boat...Do I enjoy it? No. And I don't find them tallented at all, corny ear candy. It's too easy to create a wall of sound with a big band and all the technology and resources, any mildly skilled kid could do that. But if people like it, why not? I give them credit for knowing how to make giant cash. I like some bad quality stuff, imensely. But I wouldn't give it a medal for originality, hahaha..Nor feel special and rebellious for listening to it. In fact, I don't feel rebellious listening or playing anything. Midly, ripping some odd drowny tunes in a Pilgrim outfit and Princess Lea's buns or yodelling with locals, but that is so fun.
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I really don´t like Linkin Park, either.
All their songs are pretty much the same, the guy may have a good voice but after 17 songs sang exactly identical it gets boring.

There are so many good (better) bands out there.
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

So to get back to the OP, I always enjoy contributing to discussions about music. Especially when it's one as original and unique as "Music of a previous generation >>> music of this generation"

Linkin Park?? Don't worry, there are certainly more obnoxious bands out there...

As for getting the kids to listen to classical music, my music teacher at school was a big fan of the classic Warner Bros cartoons (google "What's Opera Doc"). Though maybe they are a little too old for Bugs Bunny, in which case you could maybe try to go via movies which have classical music featuring in key scenes. E.g. Platoon, Clockwork Orange, Rollerball, and of course:

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(although inadvertantly, you've hit the nail on the head as far as Linkin Park go - they'll move on shortly).
Linkin Park has been around for years..and years and years. There not one hit wonders.

The whole thing about this thread that so annoys me is that the OP is so set in this whole.."this young generation..with their crappy music" thing completely enrages me.

The problem with "your" generation is that you are far to narrow minded. Anyone under the age of about 30 is the iPod/iTunes generation..and I find we are much more open to different genres of music. Whereas I find people over 30 tend to get too caught up in the whole “classification”I listen to .. there for I am…”

It just so silly..good music is good music. Don’t get so caught up in the whole ‘who am I if someone knows I listen too…”
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