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Thanks to a very nice lady on the English forum i could go with the kids
to the Linkin park concert tonight

First of all, i never heard their music ,
second of all, i had no interest to do so

I did not enjoy the music, tried to pick up the words
heard once or twice F words

There were two quiet songs where the musicians were able to actually
show that they can play music and not just bang on the drums or guitar

I found the music not really pleasant or moving in any way
the audience was mostly teenagers
like my two

I feel sad that my kids dont like classical music at all and dont even
give it a chance
because i would like them to know that classical music is the base
for all music and then i would also like someone to come with me
i dont know anyone who likes classical music

Anyway , do you think it might be too late for teenagers to ever like
classical music ?

I might have been a nerd but i went to classical music concerts
as a teenagers with a friend( also a nerd )

What are the chances i may be able to save their souls ?

Do you think Linkin park is just social pressure , peer pressure and all that
or do you think they make good music ? if so why?

Is there anyone out there who likes classical music but has no one
around who likes to tag along ? If so please let me know
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

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I meant to thank the lady from the English forum who took our dog
so we could go to the concert and not have psycho neighbor contact the psycho rent lady again about the dog howling
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

Firstly, don't assume because some is banging their guitars or drums hard that it doesn't take a high level of skill to do what they're doing.

That said, I think Linkin Park are a horrible band devoid of even a smidgen of originality or musical talent.

Teenagers will always listen to manufactured rubbish no matter what and trying to stop them from listening to it will only make it seem cooler to them. Sooner or later they will get into music with a bit more class or they'll become bankers.
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

O please... Its not that bad. I am by no means a teenagers; although I have been listening to Linkin Park since I was one. I think most young people can appreciate classical music (I did). So why can't you appreciate something different?

This whole post/topic just seems so old fashioned. Even my 60 year old parents can value and listen to Linkin Park.
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

Music is and will always be subjective to our own tastes, likes and dislikes, I enjoy all styles of Music from Classical to Heavy metal, there are certain I dislike greatly such as salsa music, whereas many people love this music I do not.

I like Linkin Park's music a lot and have a couple of their albums, they were pioneers of what is called New Metal, combining electronic, heavy metal and rap, the lyrics of their songs are often wrought out of their own personal experience and a lot of people from various age groups are able to relate to. Chester Bennington the lead singer is a very talented vocalist, guitarist and pianist, and writes most of the lyrics and music for the band. This is why I like them.

Musical styles I enjoy listening to are: Rap, Hip-Hop, classical, classic rock, indie rock, alternative rock and punk, ska, reggae, soul, funk, disco, pop, electro, house and dance to name just a few.

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I thought Linkin Park only had one song . Oh well, in the end it doesn't even matter.
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What are the chances i may be able to save their souls ?
Zero if you keep banging on like this at them.
Seriously, have you any idea what you sound like?

The whinning dirge of your classical music sounds just as awful to them as their music sounds to you & they will never, ever give it a chance whilst you try to ram it down their throats whilst calling their music shit.
(although inadvertantly, you've hit the nail on the head as far as Linkin Park go - they'll move on shortly).

Take it from someone who's parents only ever played classical & dismissed anything else as "that dreadful racket" and is only just beginning to appreciate some clasical at nearly 40.
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

To some, the Beatles are "classical" these days. Listening to Vivaldi or Rossini was my thing as a teenager and then I discovered Pink Floyd. The Italian wrinklies didn't stand much of a chance thereafter. Let the kids be, better that they have some kind of interest in music, whatever kind of noise they say they like. Peer pressure and the mass media hype most of the crap that teenagers listen to these days. When they grow up they'll develop a taste for something that really means something deeper to them and it probably won't be Linkin Park.
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I like Linkin Park's music a lot and have a couple of their albums, they were pioneers of what is called New Metal, combining electronic, heavy metal and rap, the lyrics of their songs are often wrought out of their own personal experience and a lot of people from various age groups are able to relate to. Chester Bennington the lead singer is a very talented vocalist, guitarist and pianist, and writes most of the lyrics and music for the band. This is why I like them.
Pioneers? Actually they caught onto the coattails of what was imho an altogether uninspired genre. Talented vocalist? have you ever seen them perform live? Oh well, like you say, different strokes..
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I like Linkin Park's music a lot and have a couple of their albums, they were pioneers of what is called New Metal, combining electronic, heavy metal and rap, the lyrics of their songs are often wrought out of their own personal experience and a lot of people from various age groups are able to relate to. Chester Bennington the lead singer is a very talented vocalist, guitarist and pianist, and writes most of the lyrics and music for the band. This is why I like them.

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You're wrong (sorry). They are not pioneers of nu-metal, that, er, distinction falls as far back to bands like Biohazard and Faith no More, who were both forging that path in the 80s.

To the OP, to try and open the door with your kids and classical music, maybe try and get them to note things like Metallica's S&M concert, pairing their music with the San Francisco Symphony.
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You're wrong (sorry). They are not pioneers of nu-metal, that, er, distinction falls as far back to bands like Biohazard and Faith no More, who were both forging that path in the 80s.
Agreed. Linkin Park came someone at the peak of the Nu Metal wave, and it rapidly declined afterward.

But what I would give for another Faith No More album.
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

I'd say, it's pretty late to start pushing some classical stuff on your teens now, when they are already interested in other stuff, way cooler for them (or, let them at least think it is...). You won't ever win them over if you express the slightest disapprovement of what they like and whine to them. F word these days in music is...pretty normal. I guess that's LP little rebellion, makes me chuckle. If I lived closer I'd go with you to a classical gig, fo sho. Have it on, listen to it at home and car (while you let their muzzak to be heard, that's a must, 50/50), maybe point out what you like about it, teens are amazingly perceptive and actually open to loads of new things. They will listen to you if you listen to them. I think the only way to influence them is to take an active interest in what they like already even if you think it's shite, talk about it with them, go with them to gigs (that's awesome you went!), go to shops with them to look for more, have them educate you and do a little research on your own, u tube is your friend..I took my mom to a punk gig at 15, it was so fun, she got into it and made loads of buddies, dad likes electronica, dub and regae now (well, it's his choice, ugh), it's funny how youth influence older generation...Parents need to widen their choice, too, it's not only us trying to push something on teens, they already have their taste and don't worry, it will most likely change fast. Linking Park plays out very quickly (sorry, LP fans). It's not like it's wrecking them, anyways. It may be the minute you express an interest in LP they quit liking it and turn over to classical, hahaha...Another way to classical is to get them an instrument, sign up to music school or take lessons, some kids move from rock to more classical stuff. At the end of the day, it does not matter if they hit drumms in their room or pull off some piccicato on violins, as long as they like it.
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To the OP, to try and open the door with your kids and classical music, maybe try and get them to note things like Metallica's S&M concert, pairing their music with the San Francisco Symphony.
I think we can find some middle ground here...how about some cello metal?
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I think we can find some middle ground here...how about some cello metal?
You can go further than Apocolyptica. The Vitamin String Quartet that has a bunch of tribute albums, including 3 for Linkin Park.

http://vitaminrecords.com/web/page.a...ducts&catid=20

I have several and they are....interesting.
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

After telling the OP that she should try and introduce classical with Metallica's S&M's concert, I decided to take a look for a few videos. Now, I quit being a Metallica fan when they released their second album (ah, even then I knew they were going to be a commercial band ) but I'm just so impressed with the whole production of it all.

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Well, they are back together and touring, so you never know...

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Agreed. Linkin Park came someone at the peak of the Nu Metal wave, and it rapidly declined afterward.

But what I would give for another Faith No More album.
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I wonder if we are just scaring her now....


I like old Metallica, only. Apocalyptica is alrite for teens, I guess, but they might cringe at all the theatrics. Part of the Linking Park appeal is their pseudo r&r image (clothes, moves, the silly DJing bit), all the screaming, the music is actually tame and poppy, complety overarranged and overproduced.
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Anyway , do you think it might be too late for teenagers to ever like classical music ?
Given my experience with music it might be too early. Musical tastes mature as you get older. I ignored classical music until I was in my twenties. IMO an attempt to introduce a teenager to a form of music that they're not interested in, and is considered not to be hip and trendy by their peers, is not going to be very successful if my attitudes at the time are anything to go by.

If they've a genuine interest in music then they'll discover classical at some point. Musical taste is quite a personal thing, and IMO is best left to the individual to discover.
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Re: linkin park-teenagers and music

There is common ground between your music and theirs - guaranteed. But if you want to encourage some crossover interest, you've got to find that common ground and play it up, cause they're perfectly happy with the way things are.

So what do you like about classical music?

Is it the grand romantic sweep of Beethoven?
Is it the poppy, catchy tunes you can whistle, like Mozart?
Is it all the complex, overtly intellectual Baroque stuff, lots of little embroidery going on in the background?

Or what kind of music do they like, and what do they like about it? Dig beyond "it's cool"/"it's just noise" and look for musical similarities.

Get them to recommend some music that they think might possibly suit you, and give it a listen. Even if it doesn't, it might be slightly more tolerable for you to listen to while you try to suss out the musical influences and similarities.... Try to compare it mostly to 20th-century classical composers. You're much more likely to find echoes of Mahler in your kids' music than shades of Palestrina. Not that the Palestrina isn't ultimately there but it's not going to be as direct or obvious.

Next pick a band of theirs, find out who the major influences were - and who influenced those bands, and so on. Listen to all of it. Eventually you'll get to the Beatles (practically guaranteed), and then brass band music, and - well, that's almost classical, isn't it?

Essentially I guess I'm suggesting a DIY music appreciation course aimed at really understanding the link between their music and yours, instead of just positing that one exists. If you don't understand it you are not gonna be able to make them see it either.
If that sounds too much like work go and read some of Alex Ross's stuff, e.g. the collection of essays "Listen to This" - and then listen to some of it.
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Given my experience with music it might be too early. Musical tastes mature as you get older. I ignored classical music until I was in my twenties. IMO an attempt to introduce a teenager to a form of music that they're not interested in, and is considered not to be hip and trendy by their peers, is not going to be very successful if my attitudes at the time are anything to go by.

If they've a genuine interest in music then they'll discover classical at some point. Musical taste is quite a personal thing, and IMO is best left to the individual to discover.
You can help, though. While I agree it really is very personal and some find classical through pop or rock, some the other way around, it does not hurt to try and expose. I wouldn't try too hard and too obviously, though, since it is a turn off for teens, fo sho. Nonchalantly try.

You can also have a teen who will do anything to be different than his stereotypical teen peers. Some teens so go for being different, what ever it means. If you play it right, exposing them to classical might be exactly the difference (the new uncool and untrendy) they will opt for to make themselves stick out of the blob. I enjoyed classical, but also appreciated help I got from others in terms of interesting choice to experiment with (parents, teachers, music classes, gigs, etc.).
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