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Old 04.12.2010, 13:11
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

I beg to differ - a national passport is granted to citizens ( exception Refugee passports granted to non-citizens ). A passport also confers consular protection to its citizens. The OP claims to be a Swiss citizen.

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Old 04.12.2010, 13:14
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You can be raised in a country and not have a passport. The passport doesn't make you a citizen. The OP is already a NZ citizen without a passport, by the fact they the OP was born there.The US does have foreign students that come to study there. I don't think he claimed to be a starving pauper. But if the OP is entitled to benefits in Switzerland, I don't know if the OP is or not, why is it wrong for the OP to apply if he is eligible. Having an education doesn't guarantee financial stability. There are a lot of lawyers in the US and a JD isn't cheap. If the OP established residency in the US some states do allow foreign students to get the in-house state tuition, which makes it a bit easier. But the issue is that the OP wants to migrate to Switzerland, so I think answers should focus on that. Not everyone has a alterior motive or conspirarcy in mind when they post.
You're annoying me RRS. I'm done explaining to you how the answers to these questions might allow us to help the OP in making a more reasonable plan to MOVE TO SWITZERLAND.
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Old 04.12.2010, 13:16
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

Dear OP,

Whether your story is true or you are just entertaining yourself, I don't care, but I have heard far more improbable stories that worked out. If you are indeed tugging at your last straw, your passport and citizenship are indisputable, you are sincere and willing to drop any attitudes, then get on the next plane, go through customs and straight to the nearest Sozialdienst and let them take you in tow. You won't starve, you won't freeze, you'll be given a place to sleep.

They will first analyze your story and documents, run a genealogy check on your possible ancestors and relatives, look for any unclaimed inheritances, relatives they can make financially responsible, which jurisdiction you fall under, etc.

As long as you doggedly walk the line they set out, cheerfully follow all of their instructions and advice, you will get settled somewhere and you can make your way from there. It won't be easy, may not always be pleasant, will require a great deal of patience, may not always go the way you want, but if the validity of your citizenship cannot be contended, they must repatriate you and see that you live, even if it starts off at the existence minimum. Not much else to discuss.

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Old 04.12.2010, 13:17
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

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But if the OP is entitled to benefits in Switzerland, I don't know if the OP is or not, why is it wrong for the OP to apply if he is eligible.
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The OP made it very clear in his first post that he wants a free ride from Switzerland. It is socially irresponsible and morally wrong to use social safety nets out of convenience and not genuine necessity.
I agree with foliorose. It's irresponsible of him to come here with next to nothing and sponge off the system until he finds something. He should come with enough money to support himself after having already found a job here. I guess it's just that some people have different moral compasses. If I were eligible for benefits here, having never lived here and never contributed to the system, I would have done what I did anyway - work in a crappy job where I was on minimum wage and massively under-appreciated (this was in the UK) and found a job before I arrived (and which I started straight away). I started looking for work a year before I came.
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

150 CHF should get you a train ticket and a large McDonalds meal. Then where will you be?

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from a Xenophobe's Guide to Switzerland, lol.
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Old 04.12.2010, 13:58
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Maybe enlisting in the Swiss Army would be a GOOD thing. The OP may learn German faster there and make connections with other Swiss that will help him find a job after he gets out.

(Of course, I never served in the military so my advice may be a lot of bunk...)
One of my sons did exactly this ,and had lots of fun doing it
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Old 04.12.2010, 14:32
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One of my sons did exactly this ,and had lots of fun doing it
The Army idea is inspired. Colleagues come back with amazing stories. Contact the military, get some paperwork or phone numbers, and get your military service kicked off. You will get a salary or sorts, and while having no apartment to rent, you will have cash in the bank, credit and employment history when you leave. That would score you a lot of Brownie points, arriving hear to enlist!

Army enlistment may take time. An immediate thing would be a seasonal job in a Ski resort. Working in the kitchen, moving snow, etc. Having an Army interview sorted, and some kitchen work in Ski resorts already booked would motivate social services. There is no shortage of work for people with a Snow Shovel either. Shovels are about 45 chf.
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Old 04.12.2010, 15:32
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They could probably put me to work right away doing graffiti removal or some other mundane task while I learn more german. I didn't make up that graffiti removal. It's actually on the social help site. They have other stuff to do to either better the city or help some private business that has some kind of relationship with them (bing translations aren't perfect, but that's what i've gathered). That way I can earn some of the support money they give.
This _is_ "paying back" as I mentioned earlier. Also if you have any family left in CH they could be sent the bill.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there is no free lunch.
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Yesterday I offered my help and invited on my previous post this guy to contact me in private since it sounded like he would need a friend here. Then today I sent him a private with a big long list of job sites in CH that me and my friends we used when coming here. No reply no nothing. No thank you no F.Y. I am starting to think im a bit naive and that it's somehow finally a troll as some of you say.
I tried to reply but was told i could only send 4 messages per day. I'm assuming it's a restriction on new users.
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Questions for the OP:

1). What sort of visa did you hold to stay in the US for the past ten years?

2). Did you hold gainful employment in the US? If yes, for how long?

3). What kind of computer do you have? What internet browser are you using? (Seems _very_ strange to me that you can't see those little buttons for bold, italic, etc).

4). How did you fund your education in the US?

5). How do you pay for your internet access?

I agree with Salsa Lover - this is an obvious troll, people. I suppose we should stop feeding him, but at the same time, it is rather entertaining to watch him contradict himself (or should I say "make material misrepresentations") in his posts. Now let's see if he actually answers my questions as he claimed he would do in an earlier post.
I didn't want to respond to this becuase I didn't want to be rude, but since you insist.

These questions are asinine. You are stupid. I welcomed questions designed to help me, not help me prove that i'm not a troll. 1, 2, 4, and 5 are none of your business, and irrelevant, as someone else has already pointed out.

Question 3? Seriously? What kind of computer do i have? I can't see the buttons for bold, italic, etc? Really? When you draw conclusions do you ever think about how you got to them? Where are your premises? Not using bold means I can't use it? I think that's called affirming the consequent. Buy a book on logic immediately.
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I agree with foliorose. It's irresponsible of him to come here with next to nothing and sponge off the system until he finds something. He should come with enough money to support himself after having already found a job here. I guess it's just that some people have different moral compasses. If I were eligible for benefits here, having never lived here and never contributed to the system, I would have done what I did anyway - work in a crappy job where I was on minimum wage and massively under-appreciated (this was in the UK) and found a job before I arrived (and which I started straight away). I started looking for work a year before I came.
The big difference is that you are not Swiss according to your profile whereas the OP is. The Swiss encourage Swiss citizens abroad to return home and put funds at their disposal to make it easier to do so. What is so irresponsible of the OP to want to use the system that the government has put at the disposal of people who are in his situation? I think it would be far more irresponsible of him to waste time as a garbage collector trying to scrape together the money to come here if he could get a good job here within a short time.

And also, looking for a job from a distance is not that easy, even from as close as the UK (as I found out myself).
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I agree with Salsa Lover - this is an obvious troll, people. I suppose we should stop feeding him, but at the same time, it is rather entertaining to watch him contradict himself (or should I say "make material misrepresentations") in his posts. Now let's see if he actually answers my questions as he claimed he would do in an earlier post.
I wouldn't call it contradicting myself. I made statements which were inconsistent with each other. I contradicted reality (lied, about my location). I'm embarrased about this move to CH so I'm trying to keep a little anonymity. People have rightly commented on it being "effing rich." I've contacted representatives here, in CA, and in CH, and i don't want them coming across this thread knowing exactly who i am. I'm so paranoid about this that i actually thought that Doug chap knew me, when he simply looked up my IP address to find out where I was. I guess he must be a mod or know one.

Are you equating the act of contradicting oneself with the act of one making material misrepresentations? I know you think you're funny, but you should investigate the differences because it's a false equivalence (logical fallacy). Setting that aside (but really, go buy a logic book), I have not made any material misrepresentations. The fact that I am in CO now instead of AK isn't material. I just came from AK to here, to live with a friend, who is providing the internet access and shelter, but can only do so temporarily. This is a misrepresentation, strictly speaking, but it isn't the sine quo non of anything (hey i found those buttons). It's irrelevant to the questions posed in the original post.
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I'm so paranoid about this that i actually thought that Doug chap knew me, when he simply looked up my IP address to find out where I was.
Or read this very thread.

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This is a misrepresentation, strictly speaking, but it isn't the sine quo non of anything (hey i found those buttons). It's irrelevant to the questions posed in the original post.
Indeed. But the fact that you were caught telling porkies undermines your credibility somewhat. If you lied about that, what else did you lie about?

Nobody on this forum knows you from Adam: we can only go on what you present to us. If it smells fishy, people are going to respond accordingly.

I'm surprised you're surprised about that, being a college graduate and all that.
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Indeed. But the fact that you were caught telling porkies undermines your credibility somewhat. If you lied about that, what else did you lie about?

Nobody on this forum knows you from Adam: we can only go on what you present to us. If it smells fishy, people are going to respond accordingly.

I'm surprised you're surprised about that, being a college graduate and all that.
I'm surprised you're surprised i'm surprised, with your intelligent sense of humour. You agreed that it wasn't the sine quo non of anything, and then proceeded to say it undermines my credibility (inconsistent). Please explain why my credibility is relevant, apart from to the question of whether i'm real or not. If you think i'm trolling then just ignore me. If you think I'm genuine then those "porkies" don't undermine anything, surely?
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

Hi Dayboy, You got some serious and excellent advise! I`m very surprised that everyone is so helpful and willing to give you all this help! I hope this is not a prank it would be sad to think that you would waste everyone's time! I`m also swiss and have lived in the US for 20yrs. but it would have never occurred to me to move back "home" and become depended on the kanton/city I would end up living in.
A better idea would be to stay put (as someone mentioned work hard, save money and then move here in the spring) as of right now it sounds to me as if you are a) running from something/someone or b) insane.
I hope to read more about your "plan" on moving to CH and how you are doing.
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I'm surprised you're surprised i'm surprised, with your intelligent sense of humour. You agreed that it wasn't the sine quo non of anything, and then proceeded to say it undermines my credibility (inconsistent).
This is like an episode of Perry Mason.

You know this is the internets, not a court room, don't you?


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Please explain why my credibility is relevant, apart from to the question of whether i'm real or not. If you think i'm trolling then just ignore me. If you think I'm genuine then those "porkies" don't undermine anything, surely?
  • This forum is frequented by some very intelligent people, who can smell bullshit a mile off.
  • This forum is also frequented by one or two regular trolls who like to start "entertaining" threads about improbable situations in order to take advantage of the goodwill and knowledge of the aforementioned intelligent people, for the purposes of "LULZ".
  • Most of the aforementioned intelligent people who frequent this forum do not like to be bullshat at.
  • Some of the aforementioned intelligent people who frequent this forum enjoy a little sport with bullshitters when they are bored and there is washing up to be done.
You must admit that to an objective observer your story does come across as somewhat improbable, no?
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Is it just me or this thread has turned into a (boring) courtroom?
The only thing I can say is, if you do decide to come daboy, good luck!, you are going to need it...
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A Kiwi Swiss living in California? I know your relatives. It's a small world.
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I am also a Kiwi / Swiss, came to Switzerland when I was 28, spoke none of the local languages (only English), had about 5,000 CHF to my name, got asked to join the army (but didn't), applied for one job and got it. The job came with a company apartment for super-cheap rent.

Your US qualifications will be worth something. There's loads of English-speaking companies in Switzerland. As a Swiss national, you have a big benefit over a foreigner: no visa or permit hassles.
So simply start applying for jobs in your chosen area.

And in the meantime, work as a barman or labourer - at least you earn something.

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