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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

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  • This forum is frequented by some very intelligent people, who can smell bullshit a mile off.
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You must admit that to an objective observer your story does come across as somewhat improbable, no?
Yes, of course it's improbable. Unfortunately it's also real. I _will_ (will) be arriving in CH very shortly. I'm still monitoring the thread because many people are offering good advice, but it's punctuated by lots of people who seemingly miss the point.

The thread title is clear. The original post is clear. Arriving, not should I arrive. I've also stated elsewhere that i've already bought the ticket. Suggesting that I come in summer, move to the west coast, etc, though well intentioned and coming from a spirit of kindness, isn't really on point. It's fine to comment that it's irresponsible, foolish, insane, etc. I've invited that kind of thing, and with the limited knowledge you guys have to go on it certainly does seem insane.

I've really never understood the concept of trolling. I don't really use message boards that much, except to lurk on some that provide some kind of empirical data on a subject that interests me. I guess you guys must have some kind of out of control troll problem, though I don't see how because of it you have to treat every suspicious thread as a troll. Isn't there a better way to handle it? Couldn't people just ignore threads they think are trolls? I realize that all this vigilance against trolling might be in the interests of those who might fail to recognize it's a troll, and who might spend time unnecessarily offering genuine and thoughtful advice, but how much of a risk is that really? If you spend time trying to help someone, and in the end it turns out that this person goes, "hey lol i was jking lmao" then the joke is on the troll.
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My flight connects at gatwick. I haven't investigated it but Swiss nationals could work in england, correct? If i broaden my job search to both locations I stand a much better chance of getting one, and then once i have some sterling I could make the small move to CH. Forgive the stream of consciousness. Comments?

But could i get through customs in london with 100 pounds? Layover is 2 hours so it's rather implausible that I'd be sightseeing before my next flight.

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Old 04.12.2010, 22:50
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Ehem, as far as I understand, you wouldn't get any benefits in the uk...



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Old 04.12.2010, 22:56
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My flight connects at gatwick. I haven't investigated it but Swiss nationals could work in england, correct? If i broaden my job search to both locations I stand a much better chance of getting one, and then once i have some sterling I could make the small move to CH. Forgive the stream of consciousness. Comments?

But could i get through customs in london with 100 pounds? Layover is 2 hours so it's rather implausible that I'd be sightseeing before my next flight.
The unemployment rate in the UK is far higher than in Switzerland. I'm not sure about the rate in London specifically, but I think it'd be easier to find a job in Zürich.

Sterling is currently very weak. You might find it more tough to save money to come to Switzerland than just arriving here first.

Lastly if you came to Switzerland, as discussed, you might get some help from the Gemeinde or other sources. In the UK you might not get the same level of support.
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Old 04.12.2010, 23:00
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And apologies if it's been covered, I didn't read all 25 pages, but what about the 1 month waiting period at the rav which you'll need to register with and the gemeinde issue?? You'll need an address to register and you need to be registered to apply for anything (which costs more than 150)... Not to mention that the heimatschein takes about a week to receive, and again necessary...

But please, keep this updated. I came with a hell of a lot more, and it still didn't feel like enough.

I'm very interested to see how long you survive for...


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There is some assistance for swiss living abroad as long as you aren't entitled to assistance in that country. I could probably get something here, but I would prefer to leave. In any case, that wasn't what I was suggesting. I plan on contacting people I know there to see if I could crash there for a couple nights and scope out the job market. Maybe save up a little and then proceed to CH.
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Daboy is Julian Assange, and I claim my £5.
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The unemployment rate in the UK is far higher than in Switzerland. I'm not sure about the rate in London specifically, but I think it'd be easier to find a job in Zürich.

Sterling is currently very weak. You might find it more tough to save money to come to Switzerland than just arriving here first.

Lastly if you came to Switzerland, as discussed, you might get some help from the Gemeinde or other sources. In the UK you might not get the same level of support.
You're probably right. If i can't seem to both live and save here, then I probably can't do it here. Thanks for your reality check.
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Old 04.12.2010, 23:13
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You're probably right. If i can't seem to both live and save here, then I probably can't do it here. Thanks for your reality check.
Where you at in the US?
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But could i get through customs in london with 100 pounds?
I beg you all: don't let this thread be closed, I'm enjoying it.
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

I can't offer more advice than what has been given already, but I'm wishing you all the best. Take care.
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

Good luck with everything Mr OP! Sorry I can't give you any advice apart from knowing 150CHF lasted about 20 minutes.

ps of course he is articulate and accurate, he is a lawyer.

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My flight connects at gatwick. I haven't investigated it but Swiss nationals could work in england, correct? If i broaden my job search to both locations I stand a much better chance of getting one, and then once i have some sterling I could make the small move to CH. Forgive the stream of consciousness. Comments?

But could i get through customs in london with 100 pounds? Layover is 2 hours so it's rather implausible that I'd be sightseeing before my next flight.
I frequently go to the UK with less than that in my pocket. But I do have a credit card to use. I don`t know how the UK authorities check out the thing of having enough to live on ^nowadays, when most people do not carry cash or travellers cheques.

If you are now thinking of stopping in the UK first, then get hold of a copy of the TNT magazine - It is aimed at Kiwis, Aussies and S africans who are going to the UK to work. It includes usefull recruitment companies, acoomodation offers and various skilled and unskilled job vacancies.

Is employment open for Swiss in the UK through the Schengen agreement? If I have worked out your dates correctly, I think you may be too old to automatically be able to work there (legally)as a Kiwi.
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Your mother must have had a passport, but in addition I doubt how your grandmother/mother got around the part to prove that you have spent time in CH?
One does not need a passport ,just has to be regristrated at the consulat
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

I have attached a PDF that you might find useful should you decide to extend your sojourn in the UK as a Swiss citizen.
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

daboy,

at least one positive thing from this forum drama is that you have been able to work yourself up to a "Junior member" on the forum. Surely that's got to count for something. At end of this you might be looking at "Veteran" status.
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Re: Arriving in CH on a one-way ticket with almost no money intending to stay. discus

Definitions, take your pick:

Troll: Those who lurk under bridges, waiting for trip, trapping strollers to jump on

Trolling: Dragging bait trying to snag anything that will bite to play with

Trollers: Guidos with spiked hair who cruise in their dropped Hondas, doing donuts and burnouts, thinking they are impressing peeps and might pick up some MFW

OP, I wouldn't try to crash land in the UK when you've got a social services parachute in Switzerland you are entitled to. Why all the grasping at straws when you've got the possibility of getting a safe, solid and organized new start?

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I know people who have arrived with even less, and no connections to the country. Some of them gave up after awhile and crossed the boarder and dissappeared. Some of them struggle on, not really enjoying their lives here and regretting theis decission, but some have made it, prosper and are delighted with their choices.
A lot depends on intestinal fortitude and a quick wit. But mostly it's luck.
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You're probably right. If i can't seem to both live and save here, then I probably can't do it here. Thanks for your reality check.
Hello Daboy...I am also a Swiss citizen. If you are a Swiss citizen you have every right to the help they will give you. And they will assist you. Most responding to you are not Swiss citizens and therefore can't or don't know much about the "advantages" of being one. The Swiss won't let you sleep on the street. Just know which town you will go to (important) upon arriving in Switzerland, have your Swiss passport, and go to the Sozialdienst in that town. They will take it from there. Try arriving in the early morning that way they will find you a place to sleep for the night. If you have no dependents with you, then it will be easier for you to find a job as you are free to work various hours...late night etc...If you don't speak the language they will pay for you to take courses. If you have worked in USA (I think its at least a year) you can receive unemployment in Switzerland. So bring any kind of papers to prove your employment in USA like taxes etc...

It would be best for you to come to Switzerland first as you are a citizen. Life has its way of working out. It's something you are set on doing, so you have to go for it. More than likely you will turn out fine-just keep a positive attitude. Even though you have Swiss citizenship get ready to have your "ego crushed". The Swiss people are not emotional like the Americans, they are not as friendly (but when you make a friend they are sincere). The Swiss have seen it all before, with them being the 2nd best country in the world to live in, their standards are high and egotistical and bodacious attitudes don't work well here. You will learn to be a bit more refined and reflective. So don't become paranoid if your ego is not being fed here. If you take the time to understand the culture and how the Swiss think then you will have a good time. They like when people come to the country and show respect, and you will get along very well with them. Try to make Swiss friends, don't just try and hang around English speakers. You'll be limited and won't enjoy the country as much. Having Swiss acquaitances (friends are a different story) will help open you up more. Friendships will take time, but once they trust you-you are in. So I wish you luck, keep a strong mind, and keep your vision towards success...
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