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Any help you get would come from your Gemeinde. So you will have to first register with a Gemeinde. Before you can register, you will need to be living in an address in that Gemeinde. You will also need your Familienbuchlein, that lists all your Swiss ancestors. Since you are from abroad, they may require a criminal report before they accept your registration. All this may be required before you can get social help.

By the way, does your passport show your Heimatort, the place where your family is from?
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My flight connects at gatwick. I haven't investigated it but Swiss nationals could work in england, correct? If i broaden my job search to both locations I stand a much better chance of getting one, and then once i have some sterling I could make the small move to CH. Forgive the stream of consciousness. Comments?

But could i get through customs in london with 100 pounds? Layover is 2 hours so it's rather implausible that I'd be sightseeing before my next flight.
I'm baffled how this thread has 261 posts already..

How on earth would you plan to " sightsee " with the limited amount of money you have?

If you do come over with that bit of cash on you , you are going to create a whole new world of issues for yourself.. shovel..hole..deeper..

Stay where you are, save some more money and then come over if you have too but with the pocket money you have now, you won't get far in Switzerland or anywhere in the world.
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If you have worked in USA (I think its at least a year) you can receive unemployment in Switzerland. So bring any kind of papers to prove your employment in USA like taxes etc...
It'a actually two years, but otherwise great post.
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I didn't want to respond to this becuase I didn't want to be rude, but since you insist.

These questions are asinine. You are stupid. I welcomed questions designed to help me, not help me prove that i'm not a troll. 1, 2, 4, and 5 are none of your business, and irrelevant, as someone else has already pointed out.

Question 3? Seriously? What kind of computer do i have? I can't see the buttons for bold, italic, etc? Really? When you draw conclusions do you ever think about how you got to them? Where are your premises? Not using bold means I can't use it? I think that's called affirming the consequent. Buy a book on logic immediately.
I will definitely buy a book logic. Could you recommend some titles/authors? That way I'll know which ones to avoid.

Asinine and stupid are two adjectives that accurately describe your plan.

The point of my questions was to determine if you're eligible for assistance in the US, for example unemployment benefits, because that 150 CHF is not going to get you far.

Good luck and good riddance.
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I will definitely buy a book logic. Could you recommend some titles/authors? That way I'll know which ones to avoid.

Asinine and stupid are two adjectives that accurately describe your plan.

The point of my questions was to determine if you're eligible for assistance in the US, for example unemployment benefits, because that 150 CHF is not going to get you far.

Good luck and good riddance.


I don't understand why a yank (or any non-Swiss for that matter) would get so vitriolic about a Swiss guy wanting to come home and take advantage of whatever benefits his home country put at his disposal?

The comments here about "not being welcome" or having his citizenship questioned are so much horse sh*t it would feed my bed of roses for years...

Oh, and as for the "Good Riddance" bit, I consider that totally out of place. YOU are a guest here. Whether the OP has lived here before or not is irrelevant, this is HIS home.
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I don't understand why a yank (or any non-Swiss for that matter) would get so vitriolic about a Swiss guy wanting to come home and take advantage of whatever benefits his home country put at his disposal?

The comments here about "not being welcome" or having his citizenship questioned are so much horse sh*t it would feed my bed of roses for years...

Oh, and as for the "Good Riddance" bit, I consider that totally out of place. YOU are a guest here. Whether the OP has lived here before or not is irrelevant, this is HIS home.
Wow, I made you swear on the EF. Jeez. Calm down.

Just to straighten things out a bit, I'd much rather see the OP mooching off of the Swiss system than the American system. Let's face it, the Swiss can afford it and we Yanks, not so much at the moment.

But, the fact remains, it might benefit the OP to do with a little help from the Americans before he arrives to claim his Swiss meal ticket. With only 150 CHF in his pocket on arrival, he may very well have an extremely hard time. So, if he could spend a little more time in the US, maybe collect some unemployment and save a little more, the OP's transition would be a lot smoother.

Another way of ensuring a smooth transition would be to collect unemployment while conducting a job search (for a job in Switzerland) so that he has something lined up when he arrives. With all of that education it seems reasonable that he could make the move without relying on social services. It would be far less hassle, too, as he wouldn't have anything to potentially pay back and could start off fresh.

I have no problem with the OP coming to Switzerland. I don't "unwelcome" him. Besides, his ticket is bought, so it's all moot anyway. It's just asinine to arrive on a one-way ticket with 150 CHF not knowing where to go or what services one will receive. It's also just stupid that someone who graduated from law school and presumably passed the bar exam can't do a little more research ahead of time.

So, OP: Good luck and have a nice flight! And Snoopy: Good riddance to you, too! I hope that will provide you with some beautiful roses this spring.

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Wow, I made you swear on the EF. Jeez. Calm down.
Swear? I swore?
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I agree with foliorose. It's irresponsible of him to come here with next to nothing and sponge off the system until he finds something. He should come with enough money to support himself after having already found a job here. I guess it's just that some people have different moral compasses. If I were eligible for benefits here, having never lived here and never contributed to the system, I would have done what I did anyway - work in a crappy job where I was on minimum wage and massively under-appreciated (this was in the UK) and found a job before I arrived (and which I started straight away). I started looking for work a year before I came.
Do you really think everyone that has migrated to a country has had enough money for support? Some very successful people have migrated to the States with little or nothing to their name. You could argue your point the other way also. In the UK, I could pay taxes and yet couldn't claim benefits.
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I beg to differ - a national passport is granted to citizens ( exception Refugee passports granted to non-citizens ). A passport also confers consular protection to its citizens. The OP claims to be a Swiss citizen.
No need to beg, so in Switzerland every citizen is issued a passport?
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Do you really think everyone that has migrated to a country has had enough money for support? Some very successful people have migrated to the States with little or nothing to their name. You could argue your point the other way also. In the UK, I could pay taxes and yet couldn't claim benefits.
I agree completely. But most people sailing on ships to America didn't have the education the OP has. It does seem possible for him to execute his plan in a somewhat different manner. But, for whatever reason, he has chosen to come now with very little money. So, hopefully things will go well for him, but it's not the way I would choose to do things unless I were in really dire straits. Perhaps he is and doesn't want to get into it and that is understandable.

So, I was just looking on the Swiss Consulate website in San Francisco. If the OP's state of residence is Alaska, that is the consulate for the OP. If not, probably Los Angeles.

I can say only good things about the Consulate in San Francisco. OP, you should email them. They're quite good about emailing back quickly and only require you to appear in person if you live in Northern California. Their web address specifically for Swiss abroad: http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/...ef_livfor.html They should be able to organize a thing or two for the OP ahead of arrival.

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Swear? I swore?
Another word for "manure" with an asterisk standing in for the vowel.

Really, though, when I said good riddance, I thought I was done with this thread for good. Not that Switzerland would do a good job to be rid of the OP or anything like that.

And now I'm going to get back to vacuuming my apartment.
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I am Swiss born and bred - lived in UK for past 39 years - just had to pay CHf 140 for new Swiss passport.
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Did Switzerland issue you a passport at birth?
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Hello. This is my first post. I'm inviting comments on my plan to move to CH in a few weeks. I will be arriving with about chf 150 and a dream.

I've had a Swiss passport since i was twenty years old, though I have only been there once. I do not speak any of the national languages. I'm in my late twenties and have been living in the US for the last ten years. I was born and raised in New Zealand, and so was were my parents, but apparently it was enough that my grandmother was Swiss for me to get a passport when I left NZ in 2000. I renewed it in 2007, so it's valid.

Anyway, I don't like the US, and have no remaining relatives in NZ and only bad memories besides. So I'm moving to Switzerland, and have a few questions for the englishforum community.

1. Since i'm completely broke and have no vertical family left in CH, I will have to avail myself of the welfare system to help get me on my feet. I'm trying to prepare myself for the kind of reaction I'm going to be facing, as I walk into a sozialhilfe office, only speaking english, requesting assistance. What would be the reaction of the average swiss regarding my circumstances? Is welfare support stigmatized? Is it unfathomable that a Swiss citizen could only speak English? Would they tell me to gtfo?

2. How difficult would it be to find a job with no Swiss language skills. Relatedly, which area would be the easiest to get by with only English? Yes, I know I've had my entire life to learn them, but I didn't. I plan on learning at least German, but that will take at least a year to get reasonably competent. I do know some Dutch to help me toward the German end, and my two years of college latin could help as well toward French and Italian (the three genders and complicated syntax of latin would help with the German; it's close relationship with all romance languages should help with French and Italian).

3. Are US college degrees worth anything in CH? I have a BA and a JD. Of course a common law education in CH is of limited use, but would the BA at least be acknowledged? It's from a non prestigous state school.

thanks for reading.

With a swiss pasport and some Jason Bourn skills you can make a big change in your life.. all I wish you is Good Luck !
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rrs, no - just saying there is a cost attached. My last Swiss passport dated from 1968.
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As someone who tries to view life from as optimistic a position as possible and also as a great believer in sayings like where there's a will there's a way and nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it et al, then I wish the OP all the best.

(NB: Not sure of the precise wording of stated sayings and no time to search, hence quotation marks omitted).
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rrs, no - just saying there is a cost attached. My last Swiss passport dated from 1968.
Ok my point with another poster was that , one can live in a country and be a citizen, and never have a passport.
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Whenever I come back to this thread, I look out of the window at the snow outside, and my thoughts drift to this other chap who thought it would be a splendid idea to seek new pastures without adequate preparation...
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Whenever I come back to this thread, I look out of the window at the snow outside, and my thoughts drift to this other chap who thought it would be a splendid idea to seek new pastures without adequate preparation...
Ah-- but we know the other chap is for real. Not so sure we can say the same thing for the OP. For all we know, he could arrive in Switzerland and try to earn his living by creating a 2011 Studs and Babes of the EF calendar...
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From a philosophical point of view, there is nothing to be said against a citizen being just that: duties and rights belong to each other in no particular order. If the OP goes for the rights before having to go for the duties, that does not mean that he will not observe and fullfil his duties as a citizen afterwards.

We know people who
- first pay into the system, observe rules and fullfil their duties
- then, one day, need some help for a given time.
- finaly pay again and go back to square one.

The OP might do things the other way around:
- first claime his rights for help
- then pay into the system and observe rules and fullfil duties in all eternity.

Worse case senario would be, if OP is a person who
- first take advantage of his right as a citizen
- then continue using the system for all eternity and never ever think of any duty as a citizen
BUT: That would make his an intersting case to follow up and give to the media in order to start a campaign for the expultion of criminal Swiss citizen if the latter have a second passport. Even the SVP/UDC/PPS has not thought of it yet... lovely time ahead of us when they do (insert sarcastic smiley)

Or OP is a troll, but as a philosophical case study, this fact does not matter.
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