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Should be allow nations across the globe to deculturalize itselves or is it really just a change in time for the better?
I cannot understand what would probably be the best answer to your question,but trust me,its better to stick to the roots.

You say,that people say that US people doesn't have money,its a total misconception,US walks a subtle line which makes them the biggest force on earth..........simply Business.US government funds NASA and their own army which is perhaps the most sophisticated one on earth and go to war overnight without thinking twice of economy. Desperate kind of people who loves involvement.It is their way of doing things that makes USA the economic emperor and is the Dollar imperialist.

Soviet Russia back its days was one hell of a force to reckon with,a powerful old school type of force which believed in colonization albeit in a modern way to gain supremacy in political affairs on Earth.But where it lost itself miserably that it was too old school.Economical empire is the one which they should have been concerned about..........and it is impossible to build such an empire without being considerate and helpful and friendly.Russia still believed in the old ways that their occupied nations nations would pay them revenues just like some old Monarchy used to function,while USA clearly focused on creating markets by inculcating the fear of Communist aggression in various nations of the Earth,which eventually earned them more allies.

US's tolerant attitude helped them get all support,they got support of religious ultra wings,frightened nations and markets.Eventually,Soviets were pushed back by pawns of another powerful nation and they lost it like on a chessboard.........behind,Cold War and all.......US actually won the Economic war and not before long it was realised that,USSR is gonna fall apart soon.Revolutions,mutinies and this and that.......sprung up all over,somehow Money still scores above the Orthodox nationalism.

Post USSR era,Russian CIS is trying to make itself big again,and they are into developing their economy more...........so I prefer to speak no more about that.

The countries of Europe too saw to the fact that what Dollar imperialism could do,and despite being a developed continent,actually loved the United States model of operations...........Hence came up the concept of Euro,and it served them well,though Europe is now like a USSR,just that its more liberal.The Euro
concept works pretty much like Comintern,an European market with a European currency and European nationals been given first and free preference to serve in any countries of Europe.Just because they believe in Globalization and free trade,the Euro model is not failing.That gives the Euro an image of self satisfied...........which is inarguably good.

But what is fact is fact,
USA is just a nation with several states,not a whole continent(Canada and Mexico are excluded),they equip themselves with a single government,single national jurisdiction,united global policy.Despite all these,they have maximum control all over the earth.US naval bases are everywhere,Dollar is a widely accepted currency...........in one word,United States is highly successful.

Euro on the other hand tries to bind several countries together,an entire continent, several government,several nationality and several global policies.So very much like the Comintern,Euro is an economic concept to bind the European market,with a currency for better hassle free trade in the European zone only.Euro is not widely accepted world over and nor does the alliance have any international security bases..........in one word,Euro is a self satisfying concept,acceptable as it makes Europe secure but not the Imperialist kind.

So,USA by its natural traits will only look forward to business and economy capture, whether Europeans would accept that or despise it,is a matter of sole and independent discretion,just as is the matter of getting out of their own roots and accept the free Western culture called Americanization.
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I cannot understand what would probably be the best answer to your question,but trust me,its better to stick to the roots.

You say,that people say that US people doesn't have money,its a total misconception,US walks a subtle line which makes them the biggest force on earth..........simply Business.US government funds NASA and their own army which is perhaps the most sophisticated one on earth and go to war overnight without thinking twice of economy. Desperate kind of people who loves involvement.It is their way of doing things that makes USA the economic emperor and is the Dollar imperialist.

Soviet Russia back its days was one hell of a force to reckon with,a powerful old school type of force which believed in colonization albeit in a modern way to gain supremacy in political affairs on Earth.But where it lost itself miserably that it was too old school.Economical empire is the one which they should have been concerned about..........and it is impossible to build such an empire without being considerate and helpful and friendly.Russia still believed in the old ways that their occupied nations nations would pay them revenues just like some old Monarchy used to function,while USA clearly focused on creating markets by inculcating the fear of Communist aggression in various nations of the Earth,which eventually earned them more allies.

US's tolerant attitude helped them get all support,they got support of religious ultra wings,frightened nations and markets.Eventually,Soviets were pushed back by pawns of another powerful nation and they lost it like on a chessboard.........behind,Cold War and all.......US actually won the Economic war and not before long it was realised that,USSR is gonna fall apart soon.Revolutions,mutinies and this and that.......sprung up all over,somehow Money still scores above the Orthodox nationalism.

Post USSR era,Russian CIS is trying to make itself big again,and they are into developing their economy more...........so I prefer to speak no more about that.

The countries of Europe too saw to the fact that what Dollar imperialism could do,and despite being a developed continent,actually loved the United States model of operations...........Hence came up the concept of Euro,and it served them well,though Europe is now like a USSR,just that its more liberal.The Euro
concept works pretty much like Comintern,an European market with a European currency and European nationals been given first and free preference to serve in any countries of Europe.Just because they believe in Globalization and free trade,the Euro model is not failing.That gives the Euro an image of self satisfied...........which is inarguably good.

But what is fact is fact,
USA is just a nation with several states,not a whole continent(Canada and Mexico are excluded),they equip themselves with a single government,single national jurisdiction,united global policy.Despite all these,they have maximum control all over the earth.US naval bases are everywhere,Dollar is a widely accepted currency...........in one word,United States is highly successful.

Euro on the other hand tries to bind several countries together,an entire continent, several government,several nationality and several global policies.So very much like the Comintern,Euro is an economic concept to bind the European market,with a currency for better hassle free trade in the European zone only.Euro is not widely accepted world over and nor does the alliance have any international security bases..........in one word,Euro is a self satisfying concept,acceptable as it makes Europe secure but not the Imperialist kind.

So,USA by its natural traits will only look forward to business and economy capture, whether Europeans would accept that or despise it,is a matter of sole and independent discretion,just as is the matter of getting out of their own roots and accept the free Western culture called Americanization.
Nice post. In terms of the European Union I have to say, that it's a joke. I like the model of free movement of goods and labor but all in all, there are too many different cultures and dynamics, that impede the EU from being a driving force. Also, I would go as far as to say that the EU lacks a sensible dose of Americana (spine/drive) that is set to make pragmatic changes without any major interference..
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..now, you said Corvette and bad handling...and I responded.
Also, why wouldn't American cars be any good if I may ask? Most of the times, you get more options, more comfort and certainly a bigger longer lasting engine for less money than its European counterpart.

Also, in reference to Yao Ming...there are currently 2 Chinese nationals in the NBA and none British...
Never heard of Ben Gordon?
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Never heard of Ben Gordon?
Ever read that his parents are Jamaicans and he soon moved to the US after his birth?
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OK, firstly it's common knowledge that British people are crap at all sports. No surprise there.

American cars handle badly simply because they don't have to handle well - American roads are largely wide, smooth, flat and straight. .

Never driven out west have you? I wish we had large, wide, smooth, flat and straight roads. What we really have are twisty, curvey, narrow, pothole laden death traps. And this is in the urban centers. God help you if you have to drive in the rual areas. Roads that actually have asphalt are considered to be a luxury. Which is why Jeeps, hummers and other 4x4 tanks are of necessity. When I first moved here I couldnt belive how perfect the roads are. I have seen one pothole the whole time I have lived here. But I am not complaining, me and my sector 9 longboard LOVES how smooth the swiss roads are. I can actually skate instead of vibrate down a hill.
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Old 16.12.2010, 13:18
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Ever read that his parents are Jamaicans and he soon moved to the US after his birth?

Born in London = British.

And when he plays internationally he plays for England.
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Pfff... don't get me started on things like Valentine's Day and Halloween... in my native Denmark and in Switzerland, the commercialised/americanised take-over of those two dates to promote vacuous consumerism is almost perfect. Perfect in the wrongest sense possible, that is. Sigh.
Did anybody already mention Santa Claus replacing St. Nikolaus / Samichlaus etc.? Some day our kids will have to learn the nonsense about Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer, although St. Nikolaos actually was a bishop in Turkey. Shudder....
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Born in London = British.

And when he plays internationally he plays for England.
He's a dual citizen...because he's lived in the US almost his entire life.
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Did anybody already mention Santa Claus replacing St. Nikolaus / Samichlaus etc.? Some day our kids will have to learn the nonsense about Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer, although St. Nikolaos actually was a bishop in Turkey. Shudder....

Maybe they should learn of all the other gods born on Dec. 25th as well.
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He's a dual citizen...because he's lived in the US almost his entire life.

But he has never worn a U.S jersey. And what jersey you wear at the Olympics is all that matters.
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But he has never worn a U.S jersey. And what jersey you wear at the Olympics is all that matters.
Also, he's never worn a US jersey because he isn't good enough for a spot on the "Dream Team"...thus he made use of his British citizenship to play in the Olympics.
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Also, he's never worn a US jersey because he isn't good enough for a spot on the "Dream Team"...thus he made use of his British citizenship to play in the Olympics.

Dont get me started on the "Dream Team". The U.S loves to pick all the players with the biggest heads and expect them to play together as a "team".
I love the fact that a few countries can give the U.S a run for their money but not because they can match them with talent, because they can pass the ball. If the U.S really wanted to dominate international play then they should pick college players. I for one would rather watch the NCAA over the NBA. And yes, Ben is good enough to play for the Dream Team but is disquallified as he is a team player and not some "all about me" egocentric.
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Dont get me started on the "Dream Team". The U.S loves to pick all the players with the biggest heads and expect them to play together as a "team".
I love the fact that a few countries can give the U.S a run for their money but not because they can match them with talent, because they can pass the ball. If the U.S really wanted to dominate international play then they should pick college players. I for one would rather watch the NCAA over the NBA. And yes, Ben is good enough to play for the Dream Team but is disquallified as he is a team player and not some "all about me" egocentric.
That's why he received the "NBA 6th man of the year" award right?

I also think that there are too many stars on the dream team. In my opinion, they should simply take the NBA which won the title and send it to the olympics....let me ask you another question, when did the dream team not dominate the game?
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That's why he received the "NBA 6th man of the year" award right?

I also think that there are too many stars on the dream team. In my opinion, they should simply take the NBA which won the title and send it to the olympics....let me ask you another question, when did the dream team not dominate the game?

2004, U.S won bronze. Which was actually good considered they played like a bunch of school girls.
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2004, U.S won bronze. Which was actually good considered they played like a bunch of school girls.
..well, other than that?
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..well, other than that?
As far as Olympics none. But in international tournaments (World Championships) they can and do lose. In fact they have only won 3 of the last 10. Far from dominating.
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As far as Olympics none. But in international tournaments (World Championships) they can and do lose. In fact they have only won 3 of the last 10. Far from dominating.
..well, because they send highschool players and other random players that are far from dominating. If the World Championship were a priority on their agenda, than they would surely win it.
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..well, because they send highschool players and other random players that are far from dominating. If the World Championship were a priority on their agenda, than they would surely win it.

No, they send NBA players. Not the best ones since the championships are in the off season plus as you said the W.C are not of major priority, but the roster contains mostly NBA players none the less.
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Maybe 'globalization' would be a more appropriate title than 'americanization'. The brands are american ones, the goods were produced in asia, consumed in europe, using resources from africa and the middle east.
Well-stated and more precise.
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I am naturalized, so I vote. When I voted for shops in airports and train stations to be open on Sunday, I was attacked (!) for my 'Americanization' of Switzerland - how I have no respect for the traditions, etc.
I just shrugged and said, 'Well, I'm Swiss now, and I vote.'
Sometimes it gets a little old, being the 'token American' all the time.
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