..well, until they realize that their idiotic system is doing more harm than good, I guess we'll have to settle for these limitations.

Well, I'm happy that my vote canceled yours!

I like a quiet Sunday, so I can get on one of my motorcycles and ride for hours and not encounter any traffic!

Now, if all the northerners would just stay home, instead of coming down here for the weekend, I'd really enjoy my weekends, though at least the north/south traffic is always in the opposite direction that I'm travelling.

Tom

Isn't quiet and motorcycles an oxymoron.

I meant quiet in the sense of nobody else on the roads!

Tom

..yeah, ever heard of Sunday drivers?

Not true, Germany has some absolutely awesome cities (eg Hamburg, Berlin, Dresden), just that Stuttgart isn't really in that class IMHO.

Oh, what's it got to do with being true. It's a matter of IMHOpinion.

I am sure that the swiss women wouldnt mind "Americanization" of equal pay.

Errr... you are trying to defend the US by going "tu quouque" on a forum mostly populated by non-swiss.

As for the equal pay, swiss women would rather look at Scandinavia for that matter than the US when it comes to equality (you're number 40 and want to get better, you won't look out for number 31, you'll look out for number one).

I cannot speak for the USA, but I can speak of thousands of kilometers driven in the USA, and can say that I never saw many people aboard of motorcycles, almost zero in Texas and Louisiana and not too many in GA/SC/PA/NJ/NY and so, in view of the size of that country, I regard motorcycles as almost irrelevant in the USA . This observation is based on lengthy visits in 1976, 1982, 1988 and 1997 . The first visit was to New York, Washington/DC, NiagaraFalls, Chicago, MtRushmore, YellowstoneNatlPk, SanFrancisco, LosAngeles, SaltLakeCity, LasVegas, GrandCanyon/BryceCanyon, NewOrleans, BatonRouge, Houston, SanAntonio, Killeen, Austin, Dallas, Tyler, Longview, Marshall, Shreveport/LA. The second visit was to NewYork, NewOrleans, Houston, SanAntonio, Waco, Killeen, Austin, Tyler, Longview, Marshall, Harlingen, Brownsville, Shreveport, Miami, Atlanta, Savannah, Charleston, Philadelphia, Washington/DC, NewYork, the third one was to NewYork, Philadelphia, Washington/DC, Charleston, Savannah, Miami, NewOrleans, Houston, SanAntonio, Austin, Dallas, Tyler, Longview, Marshall, Shreveport and NewYork, and the 4th to Atlanta, MyrtleBeach, Columbia/SC, Wilmington/NC, Atlanta, TX..., and Atlanta again . This means it is quite a collection, and nowhere as many motorcycles as is the usual thing in Europe, which to me leads to the conclusion that the demand for such stuff in the USA has its narrow limits ! You may say, on the negative side, that most US-Americans do not have much understanding for public transport, on the positive side you have to say that most US-Americans have a matter-of-fact wise, relaxed and intelligent approach to car-driving, and generally, except Miami, a very relaxed, calm and tolerant way of driving.

What I withing 3 weeks in 1976 learnt in regard to motorcar-driving in the USA in the following 3 decades saved me a lot of money and nerves. And if there are people in the world who DISlike NY, the NewYorkers in my mind are the best car-drivers in the world, relaxed and tolerant, sportive and active and speedy in a decent way, swift in reacting to circumstances, in short absolutely splendid in every way !

I think that there has been a growth in motorcyclists in the US; lots of midlife crisis men on Harleys-not my type- except perhaps the V-rods.

I'm not sure if the US buying spree has been curtailed by the economic depression, but there have been a lot of deaths from men who used to ride and then get back in the saddle 30 years later.

New Yorkers are dangerous drivers. On my last visit to CA, every time I waited to cross the road, all the drivers would stop, except two cars that had NY plates. We motorcycle all summer in the NE (it's a short summer), we don't mind snow or rain but the cold?

My husband aims to retire somewhere warm possible CA, so that we have motorcycles and only one car. We have a group of friends begging for us to organize a European Alp tour, but I've been there done that.

Being an absolute Hayabusa fan,I can feel your thoughts
Vrods are the fast Harleys,not the typical cruise ones

I love Hyabusas, unfortunately my husband prefers BMW. Here's the sound and look of a Harley

Sounds American

And now the japnes



And lastly the Germans

I like my friend's modified '74 750/5 (bored out to 900), but the brakes suck so bad that I bent a valve one time riding it, as I didn't realize that at 8k RPM the valves hit the pistons! (I was using a lot of engine braking).

And trying to fit one's feet between the pedals and the carbs isn't easy, and I'm only a 43!

Tom

Do not get mistaken or frustrated ! I, when starting to fold banknotes the American way suddenly was attacked for being "so American" and many things I learnt to know and to like in the USA when being introduced here were condemned as being "soooo American" ... I never hesitated to use whatever useful I on visits there found useful and nice ...

That's the best thing about the US they cope for a very wide range of sizes.

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Tom

what you describe here as "their" system is the one in Europe for a century. That Switzerland overall is among the slower ones hardly is surprising, but to describe it as "their" is simply wrong

I have big feet!