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Old 12.12.2011, 14:30
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..on the other hand, shops open on Sundays provide additional work places and therefore, wouldn't she be glad to have at least have a job because of the aforementioned store opening hours?
citation needed.

Has the number of people employed in retail risen in the last 10 or 20 years? No. Then how is it securing jobs.
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citation needed.

Has the number of people employed in retail risen in the last 10 or 20 years? No. Then how is it securing jobs.
Certainly it has risen in the last 20 years. It showed a significant drop in 2001, then peaked in late 2007.

http://www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag44-45.htm#workforce

Having shops closed on Sundays and in the evenings would diminuish the number of workers needed..it's just plain logic, no citation needed.
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Old 12.12.2011, 14:47
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Having shops closed on Sunday and in the evenings would diminuish the number of workers needed..it's just plain logic, no citation needed.
Not obviously, as you would have to look whether they are genuinely new positions or are being created by redestributing resources. For example if you reduce the number of people shopping at peak times you can reduce staff during those times, and in that case the people working late nights and Sundays wouldn't automatically be newly created jobs. Also, if you are closing smaller local stores to pool the business into larger megastores you are reducing costs and staff, not creating new positions.
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Not obviously, as you would have to look whether they are genuinely new positions or are being created by redestributing resources. For example if you reduce the number of people shopping at peak times you can reduce staff during those times, and in that case the people working late nights and Sundays wouldn't automatically be newly created jobs. Also, if you are closing smaller local stores to pool the business into larger megastores you are reducing costs and staff, not creating new positions.
No, you would be creating new positions, as they don't exist as yet...and each worker has a standardized work contract, with prevents him/her to work an excessive amount of hours/week. Thus, what you are doing, is enhacing customer frequency, which overall increases profit.
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Old 12.12.2011, 15:00
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My mate says that he's more interested in Sunday opening across the border in Germany and France.
We have some shops opened on Sunday in France (Casino, Sunday morning, oooooh). And now, before Xmas, it seems to be the malls and big groceries opened there as well.
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Re: Americanization

Many interesting points have been raised, but I have to agree completely with LiB. I noticed at the very beginning (last year, I guess), you said you worked in retail management. Being from a retail management background myself, it is clear to me, as it would be to you- you have run the shops, rostered the staff, dealt with costs, and of course, witnessed the customers AND their buying habits! As a retail manager it is common knowledge:

If you open it, they will come.

People don't NEED to be at the shops, but it's entertainment. People will buy because they are there, and there is an opportunity to buy. Why do you think more and more we are seeing various items that sit by cash registers? I used to work in the largest surf/skate/street fashion (etc...) chain in Australia, and we literally called these shelves "Impulse Units", & they were filled with "Impulse Items". Now increase these units to whole stores (being open on a Sunday and/or later hours) and you would see the exact same thing. People are led to shops & spending money like insects are led to a light. It is not necessity, it is impulse, and quite simply, "I can do it, so I will".
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Re: Americanization

If stores were open Sundays, I would buy more. Perhaps not groceries, but other items, definately. Why? Because as I have 4 little and medium-sized kids, I never get to the shops during the week. And there is just not enough time on Saturday to do everything. Usually, it's a big grocery shop and not much more than that, because other things besides shopping come up on Saturdays, such as birthday parties, swimming lessons, mowing the lawn or whatever. So this is why I (unfortunately) own maybe 1 half-decent pair of shoes, a 10 year old pair of winter boots, a winter jacket with a broken zipper (been that way for about 5 years). We also had a beat up, falling apart couch for about 10 years before we finally shopped around enough to find a new one. There is just not enough TIME for me to shop. I would be thankful if the stores were open even just once a month on a Sunday.

I also know people with kids who like working weekends. It means not having to pay for childcare because their partner is home to watch the kids.
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Old 12.12.2011, 15:13
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...they were filled with "Impulse Items"..
Which, pour moi, it would be bass guitars, books and yarn..

So, thank god, the these particular shops are not open. Groceries? Bring it on, so I schedule stuff around other things that shopping hours. In the meantime, why not just run off to more user friendly services, it's actually cheaper, too.
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Old 12.12.2011, 15:14
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If you open it, they will come.
We have a Migros take away on the banhof. for at least 3 years that takeaway was also a little supermarket with all the sunday necessities.

This year they decided that their stock space was better used for chairs, couches and tables for eating than for selling stuff.


That was the only store open on sunday on the banhof, The next one being the coop petrol station.. Guess it was not that good of a business in that sense.
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Which, pour moi, it would be bass guitars, books and yarn..
First of all, bass guitars?! I'm hearing ya!

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So, thank god, the these particular shops are not open. Groceries? Bring it on
Ah, yes... Well... I wasn't really focused simply on groceries, but on shops/shopping centres as a whole. Groceries alone is a different matter, but i still believe they would get runs on the board. But if other shops would be open, then this would in turn create more traffic for the grocery stores...
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Old 12.12.2011, 15:36
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Many interesting points have been raised, but I have to agree completely with LiB. I noticed at the very beginning (last year, I guess), you said you worked in retail management. Being from a retail management background myself, it is clear to me, as it would be to you- you have run the shops, rostered the staff, dealt with costs, and of course, witnessed the customers AND their buying habits! As a retail manager it is common knowledge:

If you open it, they will come.

People don't NEED to be at the shops, but it's entertainment. People will buy because they are there, and there is an opportunity to buy. Why do you think more and more we are seeing various items that sit by cash registers? I used to work in the largest surf/skate/street fashion (etc...) chain in Australia, and we literally called these shelves "Impulse Units", & they were filled with "Impulse Items". Now increase these units to whole stores (being open on a Sunday and/or later hours) and you would see the exact same thing. People are led to shops & spending money like insects are led to a light. It is not necessity, it is impulse, and quite simply, "I can do it, so I will".
I'm actually more involved in the strategic part of retailing. Either way, I completely agree with the notion "if you open it, they will come". Also here they have "impuls units" but they're more limited compared with other countries as they layouting isn't optimized.
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Also here they have "impuls units" but they're more limited compared with other countries as they layouting isn't optimized.
You mean one product stretched out for a bout a meter of a shelf space?

Ok, I am poking, it's a bit true, though. I am glad it's the gum and candy that's pushed on folks at cashiers, and kinder eggs, since I do none of that. If the "impulse units" were olives, sun dried tomatoes, nuts or cheese, I think I would be in a trouble. I see the soon to expire, discounted meat being offered right at the entry in Coop, then in our area they moved produce closer to the entry, too, which is nice, I love looking at fresh crispy stuff as I walk in.
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Thinking of my buying and spending habits, I will chime in to say that I'm pretty positive that if shops (particularly grocery) were open on Sundays, they would definitely operate at an over all loss.
Having lived in 2 countries before and after Sunday opening was introduced I can't say that that is my observation. Switzerland may be different where profit and loss doesn't seem to be a factor whether or not someone decides to open a store. But in those two countries Sunday opening is still going strong after a decade or more. One of these countries was quite a small country where even the "big" stores were family owned and managed. Where any sort of loss would not be sustainable. And in this particular case it was grocery stores that seemed to thrive.
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My mate says that he's more interested in Sunday opening across the border in Germany and France.
Indeed.

If I want to waste a Sunday shopping, it sure as hell won't be to go somewhere where I can go any other day of the week on my lunch break!

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Old 12.12.2011, 16:20
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Indeed.

If I want to waste a Sunday shopping, it sure as hell won't be to go somewhere where I can go any other day of the week on my lunch break!

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Funny thing is, there are quite a few folks I know who have to "waste" Sundays at work as well as the weekdays, etc. If opening hours were stretched a tiny bit, they wouldn't have to waste that tiny bit of time left by chasing something as boring as food. Thankfully, it really seems to be happening, anyways. The life is a lot more diverse than it used to be, seems to me. More choice, more stores, better hours. I am only jealous that some bits of CH have this process faster than us.
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as boring as food..
food ?
boring??

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..on the other hand, shops open on Sundays provide additional work places and therefore, wouldn't she be glad to have at least have a job because of the aforementioned store opening hours?
I think she'd be happier if her timetable wasn't constantly screwed around with and she wasn't bullied into working days she doesn't want to work. Regardless, she doesn't work just because she's a Sunday worker, so the job is there even without the Sunday work. She is only forced and bullied into working Sunday's in the Christmas period.
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food ?
boring??

Ok ok, hahah...

I love to cook, but shopping for it, ayyyy. As long as the spice rack is full, I am good.

I wonder if we will ever have fresh market every morning. There was a period of having fresh market every morning, different farmers each time, it was fab.
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Our small, friendly and very reasonable village shop IS OPENED ON A SUNDAY till 12.00. Absolutely legally - it is wo/manned by the owners (and has brilliant soft brown sugar, fresh bread, wine, knicker elastic and .. plungers).

Owners can legally open if they wish, but can't bully staff, as Porsche says, into having to work on Sundays.
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That's somewhat incorrect, as we all are driven by impuls, it is fair to say that overall sales would go up instead of down.
The overall sales had to go up by 20%, to cover for the additional personnel needed. However, A) the choice of the Sundays to have open should be up to the shops, and B) it should rather be, as an example, ALL Sundays between 27th November and 18th December and not only every 2nd Sunday.
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