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...why would you say that? I mean, there is a strong brand presence in almost every market/product segment. For instance, 15 years ago, it would be unimaginable to sell Chevrolets on the European markets...or for instance Dr. Pepper at Coop.
Sorry, but
- Chevrolets were on the Swiss market since WWII.
- And, as all the other GM cars for decades were assembled in the GM assembly-work in Biel.
- There, back in 1960, was a big exhibition in and around the Kongresshaus, showing the latest models of Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, Plymouth, Chrysler, Ford-USA etc (you see, my brother was a licenced GM motor car mechanic)
- I hope you are aware of the point that Mr Chevrolet was a Swiss emigrant ?
- It may be noticeable that Vauxhall, Bedford and Opel are (still/again) fully owned by GM
- Chrysler in the meantime has become a FIAT subsidiary
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True, but the initial Body Shop founder was inspired by "The Body Shop" from Berkley, California....and the Swiss ones are all Coop owned.
While Gottlieb Duttweiler was inspired by Woolworth USA when he started his (low price pioneering) Migros AG .
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Brand presence is irrelevant - I didn't say American products aren't popular - I said that they're products of derision in Europe where they're products of aspiration in the States. You prove my point nicely with the Chevrolet brand. It is known as the replacement brand to the Daewoo, the Lada of the new Millenium and one of the cheapest, nastiest cars to come out of a factory. Certainly not the stuff of Corvettes. You couldn't sell Corvettes in Europe - there's too much quality competition. Say Chevrolet to someone in the UK they think of this: (say aspirational, they'll ask Stuttgart or Monza?)

Stuttgart and Monza ? Not well linked up. Stuttgart (Mercedes Benz) is to be compared with Torino (FIAT) while Monza is to be compared with the Nürburgring
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..you're a girl?! I always thought that you're a dude...wait, can I still say dude?
In truth, I have a testosterone overload, hate shopping and crowds. The mall as described in the OP is my image of hell.
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Stuttgart and Monza ? Not well linked up. Stuttgart (Mercedes Benz) is to be compared with Torino (FIAT) while Monza is to be compared with the Nürburgring
I think the OP meant Maranello. But how can Mercedes-Benz be compared to Fiat?
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Old 14.12.2010, 06:47
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but I sure as hell didn't move this far to embrace the inundation of cheaply made garbage and all that... Again.

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Can we allow this? Should be allow nations across the globe to deculturalize itselves or is it really just a change in time for the better?
Goddamn pinko, commie lovin', free-health-care-for-all hippies, rather look after my own roost, nuke the muthas, prise my smokin' gun outta my eagle grip, lone star nation, free commerce and fast food for all fat kid generations, remember Pearl Harbor, native Indian genocide, um, (have you finished yet...?), um, world globalization is here, brought to you by our corporate sponsors...

That was a non-party political statement on behalf of the "Get the American people a third political party alternative group".
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Old 14.12.2010, 09:16
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Well, you're wrong my economical friend as Cadillacs are becoming more and more popular in Europe...and the fact that the CTS-V is the fasted production car whilst running the fasted laptime on the Nürnburg Ring can only disprove the naysayers.
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...yeah, you're right. It's that new Porsch NoKFC 2.5 I believe.
Sorry..... (but an interesting concept - a woosha being driven by a white suited man, with a white 'tash and goatee and glasses, making salmonella deliveries).

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I think it was late 70's early 80's where many "blue laws" limiting Sunday shopping were abolished in the US.

What I miss here is not Sunday shopping, but Saturday evening shopping. In the US, stores are always open till 9 or 10pm, and that's when I did a lot of shopping.

Now, when stores are open here on Sunday, I avoid the city like the plague - we dropped a friend off in Bern on Sunday and the parking garages were almost full, the lines to get into the garage were way too long.

Is it more novelty than necessity?

As for Cadillacs, I see lots of them around Bern, along with the Jeeps and the PT crusiers. But what about Fords? There are a lot of them as well, although I wonder that we don't consider them to be as American because the European product line is more distinct from the US, it seems.
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Is it more novelty than necessity?
I doubt it. People need to shop on Sunday. And Saturday. And evenings. And not at any other time. It's almost pointless for shops to be open during the daytime, and they're only open during the daytime. Each Friday at 6pm I marvel at the shocked and confused faces of the staff of my local M Migros as they have to open a second check out. They do it every Friday - let the queue build up to the end of the store and then grudgingly open another lane. They don't seem to have processed that people need to shop when they're not at work.
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Well, what I've never understood about weekend and evening shopping in Switzerland, or anywhere else for that matter is, people like me have a job. Sometimes I can't get away from my job until late, later than normal shopping times allow. I also can't shop on Sunday. Now if you think about it, most people have time to shop in the evenings and on weekends because they don't have to work, so if you close the shop say on Wed. and open Sunday instead, you make more money on Sunday because there are more people in your shop.
The other really strange thing here is the opening of all the new "mini marts" as we call them in the US. They are usually gas stations with a small store and when I lived here in the "Mittelande" in 2001-2003 they didn't exist. When I moved back in 2009 there were a couple and now they are opening on every traffic circle. There must be 10 where there was 1 a year ago. These stores are open on Sunday, late in the evening, all kinds of "odd" things for Switzerland. What's up with that?
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Well, what I've never understood about weekend and evening shopping in Switzerland, or anywhere else for that matter is, people like me have a job. Sometimes I can't get away from my job until late, later than normal shopping times allow. I also can't shop on Sunday. Now if you think about it, most people have time to shop in the evenings and on weekends because they don't have to work, so if you close the shop say on Wed. and open Sunday instead, you make more money on Sunday because there are more people in your shop.
The other really strange thing here is the opening of all the new "mini marts" as we call them in the US. They are usually gas stations with a small store and when I lived here in the "Mittelande" in 2001-2003 they didn't exist. When I moved back in 2009 there were a couple and now they are opening on every traffic circle. There must be 10 where there was 1 a year ago. These stores are open on Sunday, late in the evening, all kinds of "odd" things for Switzerland. What's up with that?
I mean this clearly show that the deman for open stores on weekend is here.
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The other really strange thing here is the opening of all the new "mini marts" as we call them in the US. They are usually gas stations with a small store and when I lived here in the "Mittelande" in 2001-2003 they didn't exist. When I moved back in 2009 there were a couple and now they are opening on every traffic circle. There must be 10 where there was 1 a year ago. These stores are open on Sunday, late in the evening, all kinds of "odd" things for Switzerland. What's up with that?
It's to serve the working market that needs to shop on sundays and evenings that they refuse to admit exists...

The whole thing is absurd - it was law due to christian holidays, as was the case with most developed countries. The difference though, is that most developed countries have since been forced to repeal the law citing infringment of civil rights and freedom to worship by imposing christian values on non-christians.

Any crap they give you about "quality of life" or "equality for small firms" is just junk econ from the unions and farmers.


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Any crap they give you about "quality of life" or "equality for small firms" is just junk econ from the unions and farmers.
I would submit the proposal that it is, rather, an endemic Swiss attitude rather than something something particular to 'unions' or 'farmers'.
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I hate shopping crowds. But what is missing here are 24 hour grocery stores. Best time to do grocery shopping is after midnight. And you never know when you might need something at 2AM.
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I would submit the proposal that it is, rather, an endemic Swiss attitude rather than something something particular to 'unions' or 'farmers'.
No, it's the unions that say it, and the farmers, being the embodiment of the past push it. Not every Swiss person has studied economics, and so can't formulate an answer of their own - they just parrot what they've heard.
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No, it's the unions that say it, and the farmers, being the embodiment of the past push it. Not every Swiss person has studied economics, and so can't formulate an answer of their own - they just parrot what they've heard.
So, it's an endemic Swiss attitude. Thanks.
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So, it's an endemic Swiss attitude. Thanks.
Right, if you want to pretend that nothing has a source or motivation and just "is - then yes, it's an endemic Swiss value, as inherent as funny dialects and cheese...
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We went shopping on Sunday in Zug and it did not seem to be very busy, When we came home we were frowned upon by the neighbours who saw us unloading the car, probably thinking the weird Americans/ Canadians/ Auslanders have to go shopping on a Sunday - don't they have time enough during the week like decent people?
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