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Personal attacks huh? Cute
Well, to spell things out for ya...you've mentioned elevators when I implied that not all buildings are wheelchair accessible. You get it? Again, nice and slow...how to physically impaired people get INSIDE of a building?
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Thus BMW, Toyota etc. all have factories there..right?
Shut Up and go to bed...your boring... As if you "give a dam" about handicapp people. At least don't be a phony. If you care so much then "get out there" and do something about it buddy!..
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I think that many of these organizations may have been formed after I left almost a decade ago.However it seems like not enough has changed:

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AI and other nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) working with refugees complained that detained asylum seekers were often effectively denied proper legal representation in deportation cases because they lacked the financial means to obtain an attorney. Free legal assistance was only provided in cases of serious criminal offenses. The procedures for initiating and processing the deportation of asylum seekers are administrative, rather than judicial.
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A suspect may be denied legal counsel at the time of detention but has the right to choose and contact an attorney before charges are brought. The state provides free legal assistance for indigents who are charged with crimes for which imprisonment would be a possible punishment. Access to family members may be restricted to prevent tampering with evidence, but law enforcement authorities are required to inform close relatives promptly of the detention.
May be this is outdated, but it seems that you only get free legal assistance, if you have been charged with imprisonable offence and not during detention and prior questioning?

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2007/100588.htm

The first thing an arresting officer does in the US is to read the Miranda rights

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...The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court; the person must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if he or she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent her or him.
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Yes in the US you can, my neighbors have never been asked to spy on us by the police.Actually I was a member of the neighourhood watch as almost immediately. At the citizenship ceremony, to which friends and family were invited, we were applauded and given a speech about our civic responsibility to get involved in politics, it is a wonderful happy occasion.

Free citizenship courses to prepare for the exam are available at the local library, I didn't see that in Switzerland. As a Swiss you are also expected to vote. When you become a Swiss however there is no ceremony, no welcome speech, no emphasis urging you to use your vote. Until recently the village or neighbours would decide on whether you could be allowed citizenship or not. Some districts Appenzeller innerrhoden and ausser rhoden are still divided along catholic, protestant borders. Women only recently got the vote and are still trying to catch up.



When I came to the US I was not immediately asked my religion on official forms so that they could collect the religious tax for the church. I suspect that one of the reasons that the atheism figures are so high is because people don't want to pay the church tax. Some church based communities are wonderful.



Sorry I knew this would happen,but I criticize every country. Switzerland is a beautiful country, very clean streets, much to be admired in terms of punctuality, banking and baking. Ghettos not as big as the US and most of the gun problem is limited to suicides.
Why would they ask your religion on official forms in the US? Officially, the US has separation of Church and State.
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Old 20.12.2010, 00:06
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Shut Up and go to bed...your boring... As if you "give a dam" about handicapp people. At least don't be a phony. If you care so much then "get out there" and do something about it buddy!..
It's handycapped not handycapp....or better physically impaired/challenged...the other thing is mentally impaired/challenged..I'm almost certain that you would know a great deal about that.
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It's handycapped not handycapp....or better physically impaired/challenged...the other thing is mentally impaired/challenged..I'm almost certain that you would know a great deal about that.
As much as you Bud....As much as you...and you still spelled wrong, what I spelled wrong. No I think you're worse. Anyways this is way off topic just because you're upset that you're not getting laid in Switzerland,don't take it out on me!...
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Oh please...when is the last time you have been to USA. USA produces hardly anything anymore? A few top end internet nerds here and there. Didn't you get the memo...China is the one producing now.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...tivity-divide/
EU is still playing catchup
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Ehmm, an emergency path out of a burning building maybe? Gee, a backup generator in case there is a power outage....hmm, let's think real hard about those physically impaired people who have to painfully climb stairs at a great many public buildings...certainly the Swiss are smart enough to avoid all those circumstances.
Most of the larger school-houses in Switzerland (examples in Zurich: Aemtler-, Kanzlei-, Hans-Asper- already had TWO stairways inside in the late 19th, early 20th Century. Those architects, long before elevators became availailable, well realized that you for a variety of reasons, including security, need two stairways. The idea to have buildings alright for handicapped people is a very new concept and so MOST buildings in the world are not up to that standard.

I however tell you a secret, strictly to be kept under four eyes !, I in all my school-time did not meet many "physically impaired" people in the schoolhouses ! We at times had school-mates who had broken their legs but were only re-allowed back to school when they were able to move really.

A backup generator ? Not needed as in case of a longterm power outage, as teachers in such a fairly unlikely case (early or late hours in winter) would lead their classes OUT. As teachers generally are fairly intelligent people
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...she can't read to good. It wouldn't be of any use.
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OK - warning here as this is a bit of a rant...

My Wife and I are in CH for work reasons. We are American and have been in Zurich for 5 years.

To be honest, not really in love with Zurich and how things are here, but life is OK and no major complaints. We have lived in France and Sweden for many years, so have experienced Europe. And I have ran an office in Beijing, so have some experience in Asia.

To the OP... I really do not understand people who say that they are "disgusted with American politics" so want to leave. I have a serious pet-peave with people from ANY country that experience things that they do not like, so they just decide to leave. WTF is that all about? If you are a citizen of a country, use your right to vote and try to change things!!! I vote in the US and contribute to causes that I feel are important. I look forward to returning and becoming active in US politics again.

To bring things closer to home, there is a big problem with Albanian/former Yugoslavians that were granted refugee status 10-15 years ago... they were given 'refugee status' and now that their countries are at peace, it is time to go home and FIX things.

There are Africans/Arabs/Asians in Europe fleeing dire economic circumstances. Why do these people not want to make some money in Europe and either move back home or try to contribute to groups that are working to reform their home countries?

I have seen several Tamil demonstrations in Zurich... but will any of these people move back to their country of origin and try to fix things?

It does not surprise me that the SVP is making great gains in CH. So many people who were granted "political refugee" status just refuse to go back home.

With regards to people that truly want to emigrate permanently, there are official channels to make this request. We started a business in CH and will qualify for a C permit this year. We could eventually qualify for a passport, but we do not intend to stay.

Just seems crazy to me that educated people from poor countries would rather just go to Europe or the US rather than try to improve things in their home countries.

rant over...
So, please practice what you preach, you and others who left in disgust, come back to the US and help fix things!
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I think that many of these organizations may have been formed after I left almost a decade ago.However it seems like not enough has changed:
Changes need some time ( I speak about decades) and rarely happen overnight. Most of these organisations have been around for decades and not just one decade.
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Why would they ask your religion on official forms in the US? Officially, the US has separation of Church and State.
Yes and I am glad of the separation of church and state, so if the Swiss also have separation of church and state why do they require an answer to your religious affiliation on official forms? They need the government to helpthem collect taxes? Just out of interest if you answer Muslim, are the taxes collected and paid directly to the Swiss Islamic Organization via the official channels-how does that work?
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Why would they ask your religion on official forms in the US? Officially, the US has separation of Church and State.
Yet they ask your race, which is even more creepy.

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As much as you Bud....As much as you...and you still spelled wrong, what I spelled wrong. No I think you're worse. Anyways this is way off topic just because you're upset that you're not getting laid in Switzerland,don't take it out on me!...
What did I not spell right?
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Most of the larger school-houses in Switzerland (examples in Zurich: Aemtler-, Kanzlei-, Hans-Asper- already had TWO stairways inside in the late 19th, early 20th Century. Those architects, long before elevators became availailable, well realized that you for a variety of reasons, including security, need two stairways. The idea to have buildings alright for handicapped people is a very new concept and so MOST buildings in the world are not up to that standard.

I however tell you a secret, strictly to be kept under four eyes !, I in all my school-time did not meet many "physically impaired" people in the schoolhouses ! We at times had school-mates who had broken their legs but were only re-allowed back to school when they were able to move really.

A backup generator ? Not needed as in case of a longterm power outage, as teachers in such a fairly unlikely case (early or late hours in winter) would lead their classes OUT. As teachers generally are fairly intelligent people
Wollishoffener you got a thanks from Proserity Joy for this post- isn't that nice!

Power outages are common in our area. thankfully rare in Switzerland.Why don't the US learn to bury cables? We have to have back-up generators in order to keep the, emergency alarm system,etc operating. We have the same for home. The locals schools also cannot release children without ensuring that an adult is home to care for them. In switzerland of course it is presumed there is always someone at home, so no ned for phone calls.

The only pace I saw ramps in Switzerland were at the hospital and behinderte center, but I guess that the Swiss have super duper wheelchair technology that helps them up stairs, I mean look at the luggage carts on the escalators (another thing we need in the US!)
We have to have the ramps here, a lot of VETS will be needing them.
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What did I not spell right?
Oh Dear...last time. Read the post you were refering to, take an aspirin and call me in the morning...
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Wollishoffener you got a thanks from Proserity Joy for this post- isn't that nice!

Power outages are common in our area. thankfully rare in Switzerland.Why don't the US learn to bury cables? We have to have back-up generators in order to keep the, emergency alarm system,etc operating. We have the same for home. The locals schools also cannot release children without ensuring that an adult is home to care for them. In switzerland of course it is presumed there is always someone at home, so no ned for phone calls.

The only pace I saw ramps in Switzerland were at the hospital and behinderte center, but I guess that the Swiss have super duper wheelchair technology that helps them up stairs, I mean look at the luggage carts on the escalators (another thing we need in the US!)
We have to have the ramps here, a lot of VETS will be needing them.
And you claimed to be a "natural born Swiss"...That LIE wasn't necessary in order for you to continue to post on this thread. You could have continued on without it...Anyways carry on...
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Oh Dear...last time. Read the post you were refering to, take an aspirin and call me in the morning...
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It's handycapped not handycapp....or better physically impaired/challenged...the other thing is mentally impaired/challenged..I'm almost certain that you would know a great deal about that.
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As much as you Bud....As much as you...and you still spelled wrong, what I spelled wrong.
...now, are you seriously this slow?
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Power outages are common in our area. thankfully rare in Switzerland.Why don't the US learn to bury cables? We have to have back-up generators in order to keep the, emergency alarm system,etc operating.
Is that due to deregulation of the electricity market, or infrastructure problems?

When Enron and the Texas mafia was raping California, we were getting rolling blackouts for no other reason than the energy dealers manipulating the prices.
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What did I not spell right?
The correct spelling is handicapped .
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