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As far as naturalization is concerned, about three years ago, I think it cost around $1000. You really don't need an attorney in most cases. It took 6 months. As far as the green card, we started that in 1999 and got it in 2001 (July, so we were lucky).

If you are married to a US citizen, you may apply after 3 years as a green cardholder, otherwise, it's 5.

There are some differences in taxes on savings, but I don't recall them. The laws are certainly different if you're found guilty of a crime.

My husband had a green card, and converted it to citizenship before we came here. He refused to lie about having a residence in the US, and if Switzerland hadn't worked for us, we'd be back in the US as it is.
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Old 22.12.2010, 17:52
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Then Summat's up,

Lots of people choose not to apply for citizenship, they just hang on to the green card, possible because of tax purposes, but the US encourages them to apply.
Which is also another factor that might skew statistics. I have several friends who don't want the passport- just the green card.
You should apply for citizenship 4 years after you get your Green Card.
You need about $2-4K for lawyers fees (if you are not given free help) and about $1500 for all the other costs.So about $5000 total




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A green card does not entitle`s you to become citizen in any way .My son still has to wait a other 5 years be for he can apply for citizenship,and you need a lawyer .If you are so demanding about Switzerland versus the USA ,I demand you that you do the same as Canada
A other twist to the Immigration problem CH versus USA .Population Density US 33.7 qKm versus CH 188 qKm
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Re: Absolutely disgusted with American politics and the state of living here....

Hi, OP.

Not sure if this has been suggested, and I am sorry if it has: have you considered moving to a different part of the States? As much as I love NJ, and I do, perhaps you just need to shake things up a bit. You could be, for example, one of the many who flock to the "triangle" region of North Carolina. Nice weather, friendly people, good value for houses and excellent schools. Austin, Texas is supposed to be really groovy and I hear that Ann Arbor, Michigan is amazing. Portland is gorgeous and Seattle super cool. Etc.

I have been an expat for 16 years. My family and I will move back to the States next summer and I cannot wait.

I, too, loathe the state of American politics, but I am more frustrated at not being able to get involved in the state of affairs of my current country, or any country that I have lived in. Moreover, I still pay LOADS of American tax, but I can only vote in the presidential election - talk about taxation without representation! I don't know how effective grassroots campaigns always are, but, at least I could start one if I wanted to!

I wish you the best of luck on any adventure that you decide to start!
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Old 22.12.2010, 17:59
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I don't expect it to just like I don't expect them to read you the Miranda rights. I thought that others on the thread ( too far to go back but perhaps it was Wollishofner) were claiming that Switzerland had separation of church and state, which is quite funny when they collect tax for the 'official' churches and pressure my husband into to choosing a Swiss recognized name for our child.

And, No, I didn't call her Osama or anything offensive to the Swiss I used an ancient non-religious name from a role played by husband's benefactor in a famous opera.

I am still interested though in the process when people are arrested, how long they can be held for questioning, or incarceraed before having access to a lawyer, or offered the services of one.

I was quite successful in Switzerland on my own. I am Swiss, Swiss name, speak English with a British accent, blonde blue-eyed, adequate qualifications. Believe it or not I know how to charm people when I want to. I din't really see any barriers for me,I think that I got all the help I needed

It was when I came to expect the same treatment for my kids of husband. It just shocked people when I turned up with a husband whom they think looks like an Arab terrorist, when you raise the racism problem, etc. I kept my own name because I didn't want the "was fur eine name ist ... "etc. Here in the US the reaction is just "Have, I pronounced that correctly?" and in most cases the have, and it is highly likely that I would have to ask the same of them.
When I went to collect his Swiss passport I got a long questioning about why I was marrying a foreigner,before he would hand it over there was no need for it; the passport had already been issued.

Anyway I should quit being bitter about it- I am sure that things have changed for the better, this was 10 years ago. It is like in the US I remind myself that it was only 40 years ago that Blacks had to use different facilities and schools to whites.
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I don't get it; im slow. You're Swiss or American living in the US or Switzerland? and you're married to an Arab or to somebody who looks Arab?
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I don't get it; im slow. You're Swiss or American living in the US or Switzerland? and you're married to an Arab or to somebody who looks Arab?
I'll pm you It's about time I stopped saturating this thread with my racism bitterness- peace and goodwill to all!
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Old 22.12.2010, 18:33
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Many many many things. The straw that broke the camels back though is the current right wing childish foot stomping they call politics. When people who ran on deficit reduction and patriotism start denying 9/11 first responders the health care they need to combat the injuries they sustained being heroes because their hugely deficit increasing tax cuts have not been extended yet, I find myself needing to step away from the table.

America has lost it's common sense and gained corporate greed in it's place. I am ashamed to be a part of such a country. I look forward to the final raping of my rights which will be to be either photographed essentially naked and exposed to unstudied radiation or groped by a stranger when I leave this place. I could go on and on with my frustration, but I feel it unnecessary to the thread.

I just want to know if I am suffering from "the grass is always greener on the other side" while I entertain the thought of rearranging my life to Switzerland.
Yes you are suffering from "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" syndrom so to speak!!
I could list many examples of how very backwards CH is and mind you I am a Swiss-American and came back here to give my son a better life.
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Old 22.12.2010, 23:57
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I am a 28 year old married man with a 2 year old son and aspirations of at least one more child. I currently stay at home with my son and my wife works as a behavioral psychologist for a group home for disabled adults incapable of leading regular lives due to limited mental capabilities. I am a trained electrician with a 4 year apprenticeship under my belt.

I am seriously considering leaving this wonderful country. Are things any better in Switzerland I guess would be my main question. I have been researching the laws and daily life there and I have read very good and very bad things.

I need to get my son out of here. I was hoping to get some advise on the subject from an American born individual currently living the "Swiss Dream".
C'mon dude, you really need to change you perspective. The US is a huge country with plenty of opportunities. I grew up in New York and have been living in Europe the last 15 years or so, and I can tell you every country has it's pros and cons. Just be happy where you are at. The grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence. If your wife is a psychologist, she should be telling you this kind of stuff Stop watching the "Sopranos" and "Jersey Shore" and move to North Carolina or spend some time in the nature or something.
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C'mon dude, you really need to change you perspective. The US is a huge country with plenty of opportunities. I grew up in New York and have been living in Europe the last 15 years or so, and I can tell you every country has it's pros and cons. Just be happy where you are at. The grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence. If your wife is a psychologist, she should be telling you this kind of stuff Stop watching the "Sopranos" and "Jersey Shore" and move to North Carolina or spend some time in the nature or something.
But you should not try everything from somebody going to move places. There is no wall around Switzerland keeping people off from leaving the place. And so, he is free to get out again, if he in the end does not like here, get out back to the USA or to another European country. Beside the point that you may be in error, that he will finally settle here
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You need about $2-4K for lawyers fees (if you are not given free help) and about $1500 for all the other costs.So about $5000 total
Why would you even need a lawyer? People seem to think they need one but I saw very few people with them when my wife and I went for her final citizenship interview. I did all the paperwork for my wife to get her citizenship and I'm pretty sure, if my brain hasn't sprung a leak, that it's the same set of forms regardless. If you can read a form, make sure you have all your paperwork in order, I don't see how a lawyer can help you (other than take your money). They can't make the bureaucracy go any faster and they can't influence its decision or file an appeal.
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Why would you even need a lawyer? People seem to think they need one but I saw very few people with them when my wife and I went for her final citizenship interview. I did all the paperwork for my wife to get her citizenship and I'm pretty sure, if my brain hasn't sprung a leak, that it's the same set of forms regardless. If you can read a form, make sure you have all your paperwork in order, I don't see how a lawyer can help you (other than take your money). They can't make the bureaucracy go any faster and they can't influence its decision or file an appeal.
It's for the green card, there are various ways to apply. With us the employer appointed and paid for the lawyer.
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Re: Absolutely disgusted with American politics and the state of living here....

to the OP
I am half American by my Mom grew up in Europe
married an American and Lived in the US for7 years all i can tell you is that i loved it,the fact that you can do do many things ,you can go back to School learn something wich in Europe in my 30th would have been tougher,also i like the mentality of the American s they find a way to make things work.
I guess it work out great for me as i had that kind of personality i alway s was pushing my limit at work and working in France i was not going anywhere.
Ask yourself theses questions
will you be able to deal with a new language
leaving familly and friends
maybe not working in your field as you will probably need to master the skills here and the language as well as the competition from EEU Workers.
Will you accept to pay expensives day care after school for your kids
Expensive health Insurrance
Rules a fun one buy your garbage bag that cost between 2,30 to 4,francs each and no plastic
bag or you get a fine.
I tell you the way it is.
Of course Switzerland is a nice place
it s safe
great ransportation System
everything Work
lots of Expats.
As a women something that made me very scare about comming back to Europe
is the Age thing ,many jobs for Woman after 35 they will not hire you anymore
If i had the choice i will go back to the US i have familly and my dream job there
and don t need to learn German,i already speak 3 languages.
Check Comparis.ch for Insurrance quote and homegate.ch for appartment.
Good luck to you.

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Re: Absolutely disgusted with American politics and the state of living here....

All I can say is that being an American living in Switzerland, it's great. We came on a expat package. We've been here almost 3 years and unfortunately we have to move back to the States in a few months. If you can move to Switzerland, give it a shot. But I got to tell you that getting a job for me (as an EMT/Firefighter) is extremely difficult. They like their people educated in Switzerland as well as being bilingual.
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i would recommend Australia
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Why would you even need a lawyer? People seem to think they need one but I saw very few people with them when my wife and I went for her final citizenship interview. I did all the paperwork for my wife to get her citizenship and I'm pretty sure, if my brain hasn't sprung a leak, that it's the same set of forms regardless. If you can read a form, make sure you have all your paperwork in order, I don't see how a lawyer can help you (other than take your money). They can't make the bureaucracy go any faster and they can't influence its decision or file an appeal.
You are absolutely right. I did all my own paperwork as well, for both my green card application and naturalisation. No idea why anyone would think a lawyer would be necessary to fill out a form.
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I did a quick read-through of this forum and noticed that many asked what M's wife thought of all this...

I'm not quite as ready to give up on America as he is. I wonder if it has always been like this, and we are just now reaching the age that we notice. However, I do share his disgust over many issues, including corporations running everything. Our FDA (a government organization that is supposed to protect consumers from harmful drugs and substances in our foods, for those not familiar with the organization), I feel, may as well work for the farmers' union and pharmaceutical companies. Not only does one have to research carefully to find what foods are actually safe and what drugs true side effects are, but those who try to spread the truth are acted against. For instance, biochemical companies are buying up all the non-genetically-modified seeds and trying to get legislation in place that would make non-modified seeds illegal, for our safety. That seems an all too transparent attempt to completely control the agriculture market to me, but most American's are unaware because they are distracted by over-inflated arguments about gay marriage and immigration. These are of course important issues, but I get the feeling they are really there to make us look one way, while they sneak things in on us on the other side.

Sorry, I went on longer than I expected. I did visit Switzerland for a very short time (about one day) when I was 16, and found it beautiful. I speak some French and have an ear for it, but am not as confident that I could pick up German easily. Also, I am resistant to move further from our families. And finally, I don't want to move somewhere that is just as badly run by a small portion of powerful serving their own needs, since that is essentially what I am trying to escape.

Also, I am beginning to appreciate the Swiss policy of neutrality. As a child, I thought, "How can they stand by and do nothing when people in other country's are treated so badly" but now I see the value in it. If America would worry about itself more and let other peoples do the same, we may not have so many issues with our world neighbors.
For the last paragraph regarding what they did during WWII, I think they did more than "nothing"......What made this country one of the richest after WWII when the whole Europe is in deep shit? The way they gathered fortunes from Jews and other refugees but refusing those to enter this wonderland for......

History has been forgotten quickly...

But anyway, this is too far from the topic of this thread...
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Lol just reading the OPs posts about the U.S. is hilarious. Typical lefty.
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Lol just reading the OPs posts about the U.S. is hilarious. Typical lefty.
I said nothing that was not 100% truth. Way to take a jab at someone while providing nothing to counter any points I made nor did you back up the point you are trying to make. You're part of the problem.
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I said nothing that was not 100% truth. Way to take a jab at someone while providing nothing to counter any points I made nor did you back up the point you are trying to make. You're part of the problem.
Ah. And this response reflects the art of calm and rational discussion that you were so happy to have found in this forum?

Metric’s point is that he or she found the posts funny. Why does that need to be backed up? Or perhaps you have taken deep offence by metric’s “typical lefty” comment? Does that really need to be backed up? Maybe it offends because you consider yourself right. Then again, maybe it offends because you consider yourself to be left but don’t like to be defined. I have to admit that once you get a certain distance away from the center, it begins to get hard to draw a line between left and right. Many of your comments could come from the far right or the far left.

As for your “truths”, well, I think you must have an interesting definition of truth. Many of your statements fall (for me) under the category of “perceptions” and not truths and you certainly did not provide much in the way to back up your “truths”. Some examples:

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Such a huge percentage of Americans are so brain dead, I simply can not see myself raising children here.
Really? This is a “100% truth”? Wow, where do the statistics or the studies come from that prove that?

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The racism and ignorance is out of control.
And we just elected a black president. Hmmm. Another 100% truth.

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I would swiftly be dismissed as unpatriotic or some such silliness by the mindless drone masses. It is sort of alien for me to have a calm, rational discussion with people without it having to turn in to a personal insult contest. That's just how we roll here in Amurca!
Another interesting “truth”. I am American and I don’t “roll” that way, nor do many of my American friends. In fact, I don’t know many mindless drones among all the Americans I know (although a few cheerleaders in high school probably fit the bill).

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The corporations own this country and any illusion of choice the people have is exactly that, an illusion.
And your evidence for this is…?

Such blanket statements presenting the world in black and white hardly invite any kind of reasonable discussion. Many of the comments made (not just the OP’s) were in the same style and I have to agree with metric: I found a lot of them pretty funny too. Humor, though, doesn’t usually have a place in a world that is black and white.
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Alot of good responses in the above.

One thing to consider is that, since Switzerland has signed the bilateral trade agreements and the Free movement of Individuals with the EU, it is a lot more difficult for non-EU citizens to not only find a job, but also for the companies that employ them to acquire a permit. There is only a certain quota of work permits that are given out from Canton to Canton to non-EU citizens. So it would be wise to check out potential employers and find out about work permits.
Other than that, as Canadian living in Switzerland for 13 odd years, it is a wonderful place that has a lot to offer.
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