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Yes, they prefer you take the body scanner but if you refuse the scan, a "enhanced pat-down" is required before you can pass the security checkpoint.
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Yes, I will be planning a trip there before I move. Unfortunately, it will cost me around $2,000 to do that. That is why I am trying to collect as much information as possible before I take that leap.

Are you referring to the law that a deposit is required to enter the country? (Obviously that is a rough description of what I read about.) If so, I can see the logic in the law. See, that is the kind of law that where I may not agree with, I can see the reasoning behind it. I can not find the reasoning in what goes on in the US anymore. I need to go some place where I feel that I am surrounded by adults, not children with power in a perpetual state of fit throwing.
You are on the right trail... and I like your reasoning. Many (on this forum, by the way most are not Swiss citizens) were outraged because the Swiss people voted (direct democracy at its best)that foreigners who commit certain crimes or a certain amount of crimes are to be deported. Many felt it was being racist. I feel that if you have a guest in your home and they continously steal and break the rules you have for your home then you have every right to ask them to leave.
You see Switzerland isn't trying to be PC like USA, where foreigners or immigrants come in and blast about their "human rights" and all of a sudden the country is changing for the rights of a few, who by and large could give a dam about the many. Most of those many who are paying taxes to support them in their new host country. Switzerland has back-bone and it pisses many off because they want it to be PC like Great Britain and USA who are being demoralized as we speak...
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You are on the right trail... and I like your reasoning. Many (on this forum, by the way most are not Swiss citizens) were outraged because the Swiss people voted (direct democracy at its best)that foreigners who commit certain crimes or a certain amount of crimes are to be deported. Many felt it was being racist. I feel that if you have a guest in your home and they continously steal and break the rules you have for your home then you have every right to ask them to leave.
You see Switzerland isn't trying to be PC like USA, where foreigners or immigrants come in and blast about their "human rights" and all of a sudden the country is changing for the rights of a few, who by and large could give a dam about the many. Most of those many who are paying taxes to support them in their new host country. Switzerland has back-bone and it pisses many off because they want it to be PC like Great Britain and USA who are being demoralized as we speak...
Not sure what all the fuss is about regarding criminals being removed. Has been happening in OZ for years. Certainly understand the argument about SVP using it as a political stage, however it is the people that vote for these referendums in the end, not the SVP.
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I just found comparing going through a body scanner or being patted down to your rights being raped a bit dramatic. I also found it funny that then you mention fear mongering as one of the reasons you want to leave.

I don't necessarily agree with everything the TSA is doing or how they are handling things, but please get a clue. Find out what's going on in some countries like Congo before you complain about your rights being raped.
I don't think thats "exactly" what he meant. Basically instead of doing the common sense thing and profiling they are patted down old grannys in wheel chairs to their undies, and checking infants diapers! Thats what PC gets you.
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Re: Absolutely disgusted with American politics and the state of living here....

I am from New Jersey, born and raised, until I was 35 and we moved to Hong Kong, then Singapore and now Switzerland.

For me, Switzerland is my least favorite of the places we have lived in. I do have to note that my main issue sounds like it will not be a problem for you - cold weather and lack of sunshine.

If you'd like to take a drastic step, I'd suggest getting rid of the TV - in the US this alone can make you feel like you are living in another country. Or go on a 'media diet' - do not watch any news on TV; skim the headlines in google news instead. I sometimes switch the country in google news to Singapore so I get only the relevant international news.

When I visit home, I am always surprised and energized by the creativity, humor and compassion of my NJ friends. Let's not give up on the American people yet!
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You are on the right trail... and I like your reasoning. Many (on this forum, by the way most are not Swiss citizens) were outraged because the Swiss people voted (direct democracy at its best)that foreigners who commit certain crimes or a certain amount of crimes are to be deported. Many felt it was being racist. I feel that if you have a guest in your home and they continously steal and break the rules you have for your home then you have every right to ask them to leave.
You see Switzerland isn't trying to be PC like USA, where foreigners or immigrants come in and blast about their "human rights" and all of a sudden the country is changing for the rights of a few, who by and large could give a dam about the many. Most of those many who are paying taxes to support them in their new host country. Switzerland has back-bone and it pisses many off because they want it to be PC like Great Britain and USA who are being demoralized as we speak...
That is an excellent analogy. It is completely understandable that they do not want these types of people in their country, as I sure as heck would not want them in my house.

You have dual citizenship, how does that work. Do you pay full taxes to the US in order to maintain your citizenship? (let me know if any question I ask is too personal, I do not wish to offend) Do you have right to vote in the US still?
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Not sure what all the fuss is about regarding criminals being removed. Has been happening in OZ for years. Certainly understand the argument about SVP using it as a political stage, however it is the people that vote for these referendums in the end, not the SVP.
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If you'd like to take a drastic step, I'd suggest getting rid of the TV - in the US this alone can make you feel like you are living in another country. Or go on a 'media diet' - do not watch any news on TV; skim the headlines in google news instead.
Ha! I often joke about how in high school I lived by the philosophy that it is pointless to pay attention to the political landscape as ultimately I could not change anything anyway. I sometimes wish I had allowed myself to remain so blissfully ignorant as I sure was happier then.
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That is an excellent analogy. It is completely understandable that they do not want these types of people in their country, as I sure as heck would not want them in my house.

You have dual citizenship, how does that work. Do you pay full taxes to the US in order to maintain your citizenship? (let me know if any question I ask is too personal, I do not wish to offend) Do you have right to vote in the US still?
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That is an excellent analogy. It is completely understandable that they do not want these types of people in their country, as I sure as heck would not want them in my house.

You have dual citizenship, how does that work. Do you pay full taxes to the US in order to maintain your citizenship? (let me know if any question I ask is too personal, I do not wish to offend) Do you have right to vote in the US still?
So you must have been in favor of immigration laws like the one passed in Arizona, and you must also be in favor of profiling at the airports to avoid excessive security measures. Are you sure you don't like Glenn Beck?

Also you don't have to do anything to 'maintain' citizenship. If you are a US citizen and you don't file US taxes (regardless of where you live) you would be breaking the law and of course you get to vote. The good news is that it sounds you just have to work on the blissful part.
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Re: Absolutely disgusted with American politics and the state of living here....

Dear M Radar,

Switzerland is not a likely solution for you. The hurdles, costs and learning curve, i.e. culture, language and code, might be astronomical and unrealistic for you and your family.

The suggestion of Australia is much more likely, and I've seen ice on Sydney puddles on winter mornings. I hope you won't be offended if I suggest that perhaps having too much time at home, you are allowing the "big picture" to obscure your personal picture, and it might serve you better to turn your eyes from the big picture to avenues that are more realistic for you, like Australia, where the transition might be less than Switzerland, but big enough in itself to more than take all your energy.

Get busy:

http://mycareer.com.au/jobs/-/trades/electrical/

http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/elec...d77714306?cid=

http://www.workingin-australia.com/j...es/electrician

http://www.payscale.com/research/AU/...loyment_Status

http://australia.recruit.net/search-electrician-jobs

http://www.indeed.com.au/Electrician...tern-Australia

http://www.simplyhired.com.au/a/jobs/list/q-electrician

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In some ways Australia is no better than the US, just better economy, less people and better sports

Tasmania though could provide a certain level of seclusion one seeks when wanting to escape society.
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You have dual citizenship, how does that work. Do you pay full taxes to the US in order to maintain your citizenship? (let me know if any question I ask is too personal, I do not wish to offend) Do you have right to vote in the US still?
Sorry to jump in and answer someone else's Q., but in my experience citizenship/nationality have nothing to do with payment of taxes - it is something you're born with or acquire. In the last 23 yrs. I have only lived in my country for 9 of those (half of which not working) and in that same time haven't paid a penny's tax, either when I was there, and certainly none when I wasn't. But that doesn't stop me from retaining my birth right of citizenship, even if I have now acquired another.
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The US is unique in this regard. US citizens must pay US taxes no matter where they are living.
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The US is unique in this regard. US citizens must pay US taxes no matter where they are living.
Even while reaping no benefit from that tax money. Not surprising. Thanks.
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The US is unique in this regard. US citizens must pay US taxes no matter where they are living.
A real bummer -- there must be also some tax liability in their country of work too ... but, non-filing of taxes wouldn't effect their nationality status ... just their friendship with the I.R.S.
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I am a 28 year old married man with a 2 year old son and aspirations of at least one more child. I currently stay at home with my son and my wife works as a behavioral psychologist for a group home for disabled adults incapable of leading regular lives due to limited mental capabilities. I am a trained electrician with a 4 year apprenticeship under my belt.

I am seriously considering leaving this wonderful country. Are things any better in Switzerland I guess would be my main question. I have been researching the laws and daily life there and I have read very good and very bad things.

I need to get my son out of here. I was hoping to get some advise on the subject from an American born individual currently living the "Swiss Dream".
Several things to consider: I doubt your training and apprenticeship will count for much. Building codes are different and the materials are totally different. You probably don't speak German, French or Italian, so remember that as a tradesman (and believe, they are very well respected here) you will be dealing with people who speak little, if any, English.

Not everything is rosy here. The building trade is in the doldrums at the moment so you would be unlikely to find consistent work. Whether your wife's degree would be recognized is also a factor for you to very carefully investigate.

I believe I read that you are presently in New Jersey. There are some fine schools in the Garden State (if you are lucky enough to live in the right township...), and I know this because all my nieces and nephews went to schools there and three of them are already in excellent colleges.

So I am curious, why do you need to get your son out of there?

In the big picture, politics is very fleeting. Don't make it an issue -- it isn't really that important.
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Re: Absolutely disgusted with American politics and the state of living here....

Well, I think there is no perfect place in he world. And everyone has to choose himself.
For example:
My parents moved to Switzerland when I was almost 9. It was a VERY hard beginning for me. I was never happy over here.
Anyway, Switzerland turned to an absolute nightmare to me and my daughter.
It took me YEARS to scrape some money together for a new start. Now we can't wait to move back to the UK in March 2011.

I had a lot friends from the UK and the US in Switzerland who all already moved back home. Some from the US came to Switzerland, lived in a very tiny studio flat. Went back to the US and have a wonderful life and a big house.

I don't say Switzerland is crap. You really have to collect informations about Switzerland (or any place you'd like to live). It's like in the states. Every city is different. Switzerland is a very small country and I wish we lived in the french part or around Zurich.
If this is YOUR country why not? I don't know how old your son is, but have you ever talked to him about your plans?
I asked my daughter and she was very excited. We talked a lot. Making a trip to somewhere is not like to live somewhere. She knew most parts of GB only from some holidays... Okay, she's already 17 and I told her I would wait till she over 18 and has a solid life, and leave by myself if she wants to stay. But she's fed up as I am. Only 1 friends, no apprenticeship place....
You really have to see both sides. There are good and bad things in every country.

I also worked 2 years in Budapest. A very beautiful city. I'd really recomment it for a longer trip. But I don't want to live in Budapest anymore.

At best you should read a lot of the threads in this forum. You gonna see the difficulties and problems of other english speaking people in Switzerland. Read the article at Wikipedia.

I also post a few helpful links for you. You may know some of them.
Good luck!

Cheers,

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/sz.html

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/pub...tzerland.shtml

http://bern.usembassy.gov/general_information.html

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That is an excellent analogy. It is completely understandable that they do not want these types of people in their country, as I sure as heck would not want them in my house.

You have dual citizenship, how does that work. Do you pay full taxes to the US in order to maintain your citizenship? (let me know if any question I ask is too personal, I do not wish to offend) Do you have right to vote in the US still?
And that's another thing - the US will expect you to pay taxes even if you don't live there. American passport = American taxes.

Voting in state elections makes you subject to state taxes as well as federal taxes.

If you are worried about taxes, try Pennsylvania.
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And that's another thing - the US will expect you to pay taxes even if you don't live there. American passport = American taxes.

Voting in state elections makes you subject to state taxes as well as federal taxes.

If you are worried about taxes, try Pennsylvania.
I have no issue with taxes; as long as I am getting what I pay for. New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the country, which I would be completely fine with, except I see very little for that money. I don't expect to be pampered by my state government, but I should expect to see more than plowed roads in a less than timely fashion.

From what I can tell, Swiss tax money is well spent. Am I wrong in that though? That is part of the question.
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