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Old 20.12.2010, 00:25
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..according to whom?! Do you know that most school don't have an emergency path? Or that most public buildings don't have emergency lights or a backup generator? Or that many public buildings are not wheelchair accessible? I'll glady provide you with more facts...but I don't want this to turn into "Backwards Switzerland".
Lost ,maybe next time you in Canada I should take on a tour.I will show you many public Buildings with the same problem .All looks good on paper.Same goes for the US of A
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Old 20.12.2010, 00:31
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OK - warning here as this is a bit of a rant...

My Wife and I are in CH for work reasons. We are American and have been in Zurich for 5 years.

To be honest, not really in love with Zurich and how things are here, but life is OK and no major complaints. We have lived in France and Sweden for many years, so have experienced Europe. And I have ran an office in Beijing, so have some experience in Asia.

To the OP... I really do not understand people who say that they are "disgusted with American politics" so want to leave. I have a serious pet-peave with people from ANY country that experience things that they do not like, so they just decide to leave. WTF is that all about? If you are a citizen of a country, use your right to vote and try to change things!!! I vote in the US and contribute to causes that I feel are important. I look forward to returning and becoming active in US politics again.

To bring things closer to home, there is a big problem with Albanian/former Yugoslavians that were granted refugee status 10-15 years ago... they were given 'refugee status' and now that their countries are at peace, it is time to go home and FIX things.

There are Africans/Arabs/Asians in Europe fleeing dire economic circumstances. Why do these people not want to make some money in Europe and either move back home or try to contribute to groups that are working to reform their home countries?

I have seen several Tamil demonstrations in Zurich... but will any of these people move back to their country of origin and try to fix things?

It does not surprise me that the SVP is making great gains in CH. So many people who were granted "political refugee" status just refuse to go back home.

With regards to people that truly want to emigrate permanently, there are official channels to make this request. We started a business in CH and will qualify for a C permit this year. We could eventually qualify for a passport, but we do not intend to stay.

Just seems crazy to me that educated people from poor countries would rather just go to Europe or the US rather than try to improve things in their home countries.

rant over...
I'm originally from the US, and while I left because I fell in love with a Swiss guy and we decided to settle in Europe, I also didn't look back when I left.

The longer I'm gone, the more I see the insanity of the US, and how things are changing - I sometimes don't recognize the US as a place where I'm from, where I lived, as it has changed that much in some ways.

As for voting to make change, look where that got people in the last election. So many voted for Obama on the promise of change, and they've received little or nothing in return, and in some instances with him, betrayal of what they thought he believed in.

I plan on giving back the blue passport when my father passes away (so let's hope I keep it for many, many years!). I won't do it before then out of respect for his beliefs, but keeping it seems very hypocritical to me, as I don't believe in what America stands for these days, and it is only getting worse.
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...LOL..I don't know why you are in Switzerland. Must be the babes or the dough. Or maybe both? What do you think? How many handicapped people do you see around Switzerland needing handicap access to buildings etc? I could see if they had no elevators (remember those?) ...How long have you been living in Switzerland? Where did you find the need for a backup generator? Emergecny path to where? Seems like you need one out of Switzerland? Really do yourself a favor and if you need a wheelchair I am sure the Swiss will be able to accommodate you...
Ehmm, an emergency path out of a burning building maybe? Gee, a backup generator in case there is a power outage....hmm, let's think real hard about those physically impaired people who have to painfully climb stairs at a great many public buildings...certainly the Swiss are smart enough to avoid all those circumstances.
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Yes christmas is coming, I remember introducing my children to Swiss traditions
Negrokusse, Mohrenkopf, the parade to find Schmutzli in the woods, passing without comment under the SVP racist ads.

Thanks Wollishofner, that's great, I didn't know that they existed, could you please provide some links where people can get free legal representation in fighting racial injustice?
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http://www.humanrights.ch/home/de/Li...7-content.html

http://www.gra.ch/

http://www.ekr.admin.ch/aktuell/index.html

http://www.sos-rassismus.ch/pdfs/Wo_..._der_Schuh.pdf

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I'm originally from the US, and while I left because I fell in love with a Swiss guy and we decided to settle in Europe, I also didn't look back when I left.

The longer I'm gone, the more I see the insanity of the US, and how things are changing - I sometimes don't recognize the US as a place where I'm from, where I lived, as it has changed that much in some ways.

As for voting to make change, look where that got people in the last election. So many voted for Obama on the promise of change, and they've received little or nothing in return, and in some instances with him, betrayal of what they thought he believed in.

I plan on giving back the blue passport when my father passes away (so let's hope I keep it for many, many years!). I won't do it before then out of respect for his beliefs, but keeping it seems very hypocritical to me, as I don't believe in what America stands for these days, and it is only getting worse.
Very interesting, I have met a few Americans giving up their passports. One friend of mines son who studied International Law in USA (he is Swiss/American) is only keeping his US passport out of respect for his mother. (His father was Swiss and passed away) He is now living back in Switzerland and stated that "he would never live in USA again."
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Old 20.12.2010, 00:35
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Yes yes hoppy we know Senica NY is very very nice . But go visit North Dakota ,Georgia EtcEtc and start looking at racism there,and you will learn different
I give up no-one reads my posts-(I lived a couple of months with my sister in Atlanta), I've visited most states, Texas included- hiked, gone backpacking. Worst shock was seeing a chain gang, I think they were mostly Mexican, working by the side of the road. Followed a truck full of Black American field workers through a South Carolina plantation Still haven't tried a Greyhound bus, but did but my sister on one.
Another sister used to manage a bar in Galveston -sailors galore.
Anyway silly it's Seneca, you'll have the Native Americans in arms!
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Ehmm, an emergency path out of a burning building maybe? Gee, a backup generator in case there is a power outage....hmm, let's think real hard about those physically impaired people who have to painfully climb stairs at a great many public buildings...certainly the Swiss are smart enough to avoid all those circumstances.
They do have elevators you know? And by the way how often does Switzerland have an outage if any? You're dreaming...lost-inbroad...sorry but you are lost. You're probably sitting there stewing, with steam coming out of your ears...Lost indeed...
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Old 20.12.2010, 00:38
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Wollishofener, don't bother with this person (Hoppy). They are trying to "hijack" this thread by intentionally lying, first about being a "natural Swiss Citizen" then by being extensively unfactual. Trolling at its best...
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Old 20.12.2010, 00:43
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They do have elevators you know? And by the way how often does Switzerland have an outage if any? You're dreaming...lost-inbroad...sorry but you are lost. You're probably sitting there stewing, with steam coming out of your ears...Lost indeed...
They have elevators on the outside of buildings?
Oh, here...just a quick google search http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zue...zuerich-162401

Nah, I ain't stewing with steam..not over your ingorant, pink shaded idiology of Switzerland.
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..but see, that's exactly it. I explicitly didn't mention the name as it might be offensive to somebody..but you chose to write it out and put a comedic spin on it. How very Swiss! In Germany they're called different.
Moorechopf relates to Moore of Mohre, and that in reality were not Blacks but originally dark-curly haired North-African Arabs. They "darkened" over time when the term started to be shifted over to the Black Africans. So that the name in fact is not insulting in any way. I might expect that the name "Blacks" (incl. "Schwarze") will be declared politically incorrect within two decades as a maximum. Germany is a bad example as this country in fairly recent history witnessed most extreme ethnic hatred.
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I give up no-one reads my posts-(I lived a couple of months with my sister in Atlanta), I've visited most states, Texas included- hiked, gone backpacking. Worst shock was seeing a chain gang, I think they were mostly Mexican, working by the side of the road. Followed a truck full of Black American field workers through a South Carolina plantation Still haven't tried a Greyhound bus, but did but my sister on one.
Another sister used to manage a bar in Galveston -sailors galore.
Anyway silly it's Seneca, you'll have the Native Americans in arms!
I took the Greyhound from LA to Kentucky...it's was a nice but exhausting trip. I also took the Grayhound to Canada a couple of times...and for 40 bucks, I really couldn't complain.
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The American dream is "finished" as we know it. This dream was mostly held by the American middle class. The middle class is being pushed out into poverty. With the millions of foreclosures and people unemployed believe me "its a nightmare for many". Basically IMHO there is no "Swiss Dream". Or I will paraphrase it "people dream of living in Switzerland". Switzerland is not the consumer machine like America. I find Europeans mostly "work to live" where as in USA it's "live to work"...
Which is why Europe still lags far behind the US in productivity.
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Yes... very aware of your story wrt US. But voting in a single election means nothing. It needs to be the long haul, wherever you are. And regarding the "insanity of the US" that is just rhetoric. There is "insanity" all over the globe, depending on your definition. Name your country or region.

Politics and economics are cyclical. And democracy tends to be somewhat self correcting. In the US, I expect the Neo-Cons to fade away. I also expect that we will find a leader that will end the polarization of US politics. But it may take a while.

But to my point... I do not have much respect for people that just run away to another place because they think they cannot make any change in the place they live. That is aimed at ALL nationalities...

That being said, I am fine with people that decide they would rather live in a country where they feel more comfortable and believe in what the country stands for. In fact, I wish there was an easier way for people who TRULY would like to emigrate, to do so.

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I'm originally from the US, and while I left because I fell in love with a Swiss guy and we decided to settle in Europe, I also didn't look back when I left.

The longer I'm gone, the more I see the insanity of the US, and how things are changing - I sometimes don't recognize the US as a place where I'm from, where I lived, as it has changed that much in some ways.

As for voting to make change, look where that got people in the last election. So many voted for Obama on the promise of change, and they've received little or nothing in return, and in some instances with him, betrayal of what they thought he believed in.

I plan on giving back the blue passport when my father passes away (so let's hope I keep it for many, many years!). I won't do it before then out of respect for his beliefs, but keeping it seems very hypocritical to me, as I don't believe in what America stands for these days, and it is only getting worse.
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They have elevators on the outside of buildings?
Oh, here...just a quick google search http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zue...zuerich-162401

Nah, I ain't stewing with steam..not over your ingorant, pink shaded idiology of Switzerland.
Who's mentioning elevators on the outside of buildings?" I think you're just lonely and disgusted with yourself...at least thats how you come across. You better leave Switzerland fast or do you get your kicks out of being negative about a country that is allowing you to stay there?...You probably need to "mate" and having a difficult time. Things will work out, you'll see...
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And that is part of it as well. I find myself surrounded by people who take things that man and his network and right wing talk radio as the word of god himself. Such a huge percentage of Americans are so brain dead, I simply can not see myself raising children here. The racism and ignorance is out of control. The fear mongering is always taken over sanity. The lies are repeated so often that they are perceived as truth.
As far as racism is concerned , Switzerland definitely is not better, perhaps worse. Ignorance happens in all countries. Read up on the SVP and their tactics and you'll realize fear-mongering happens in politics no matter where you live.
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Which is why Europe still lags far behind the US in productivity.
Oh please...when is the last time you have been to USA. USA produces hardly anything anymore? A few top end internet nerds here and there. Didn't you get the memo...China is the one producing now.
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Who's mentioning elevators on the outside of buildings?" I think you're just lonely and disgusted with yourself...at least thats how you come across. You better leave Switzerland fast or do you get your kicks out of being negative about a country that is allowing you to stay there?...You probably need to "mate" and having a difficult time. Things will work out, you'll see...
Personal attacks huh? Cute
Well, to spell things out for ya...you've mentioned elevators when I implied that not all buildings are wheelchair accessible. You get it? Again, nice and slow...how to physically impaired people get INSIDE of a building?
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Oh please...when is the last time you have been to USA. USA produces hardly anything anymore? A few top end internet nerds here and there. Didn't you get the memo...China is the one producing now.
Thus BMW, Toyota etc. all have factories there..right?
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And that's another thing - the US will expect you to pay taxes even if you don't live there. American passport = American taxes.

Voting in state elections makes you subject to state taxes as well as federal taxes.

If you are worried about taxes, try Pennsylvania.
Not true. I don't live in NY, but I can still vote in NY elections. Not liable for NY tax as I don't live there anymore
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