my answer is meet someone, go out and speak to know each other better and start kissing.

French kiss is when things get serious and it's no more dating.

Next step, when French kiss has "warmed you" is bed.


But now, I'm not really an expert....

very well said ...

I just assume they're a) taking the piss. b) on a bet. or c) can't pull anything younger.

Repeat ad nauseum...........

That's what I think, it happens a lot. Someone told me ( or maybe it was on this site) to halve your own age them add 7 anything less than that is a 'No-Go' So basically a 22 year old can't date anything younger than 18, a 70 year old nothing younger than 42!

Assassin. [PHP] It's when you've done all that and then start the next lap again.
[/PHP]Hm, well I did the same thing twice.

1. Meet studying, kiss, marriage proposal, move in, marry. (at 16)
2. Meet studying, marriage proposal, kiss, move in, marry. (at 25)

In hindsight I would have loved to have dated, and been romanced, I guess that's what happens with engineers.

So now I try to find out what dating is all about through my kids, magazines, TV programs etc. My kids get the third degree,
however for the new generation things seemed to have changed- it's mostly friends with the seldom benefit or not.

So what is dating in Switzerland- what is expected?

Seriously? So I've been missing a step this entire time. Totally explains the laking of the following steps.

So time to get it right. What is this "studying" you speak of? It's the step I've been missing.

Nowadays, I do study courtship as often as possible, but at that time by studying I meant college studies. Actually, men can study the object of their affection quite intensively from afar before committing to making a declaration. It can be quite unnerving to hear that you have been spied on or movements tracked. I suppose it makes sense - why commit to something, before you are pretty sure, plus cuts the cost of courting.

But if I was to go back, now knowing that such attention may be appreciated, I would make the effort to study men more closely, at the time I felt that such behaviour was discourteous.

I used to follow that rule as well. Then I realized how preposterous it was. First of all age is just a number, doesn't always represent how people act or even how they look. It would also suck to miss a potential amazing connection with someone just becasue of a simple math equation.

Dude, this is the year 2011! Simply replace the word "studying" with "stalking" and all the pieces will fit.

dude! seriously, stop that!

You mean you cannot beat the average dull, ill-humoured and boring Swiss man?

If you'd say women are the same and prefer such Swiss men then do you really want to date and have relationship with boring and dull Swiss women?

I used to date older women when I was younger purely for their depth and wisdom.

Older women realise that they can never beat the younger ones in looks and fitness but do get more life experiences and hence they change their marketing strategy.

There is no dating scene as such in outdoors, most of it has gone digital i.e. on internet, Facebook and other specialist dating websites. So anyone wanting to chat up or meet someone in a bar, restaurant etc will have to work very hard.

Women usually have their semi bf/friends-with-benefits sort of relationships on the side or the dating rendezvous are already arranged via internet, usually on weekdays. On weekends they just dress up and go out to fullfill their attention seeking needs. Road Romeos like me who specialises in falling in love at first sight, are a dying breed, Im going to start a charity for their welfare, Please do donate generously.

So guys what you need to do is, walk straight down to Langstrasse, shouting at every fit chick you come across on your way "I dont need you" and waving a wand of cash.

Sex with bitter and broken women is much better anyway, they just have this aggression thing. Its like they want you but they dont want you. They will chew your brains to bits in the beginning with the all pessimism and despair "You're just the same as other men - You will also use me and leave me - I know men like you, you're no special" blah blah blah, but if you turn thick skinned and once you pass that stage then it just gets AMAZING!!! You feel like caught up in a flood of Sex, which had been long waiting to erupt!

But anyway Swiss women want rich and handsome guys, you know their weakness. So whats stopping you guys?

You might want to consider Salsa dancing ... take a course and you automatically get a "dancing partner" which can be an impressively beautiful girl I tell you. Even with very little Salsa skills you can do a serious damage in any of the Salsa parties.

Salsa is the only thing that gets you tight close to a super beautiful woman in no time, it is really impressive . It has a downside however, if you meet your gf there she will want to continue going to Salsa even without you ... and the Salsa places are full of Sharks

HTH,
Cheers

Sarcasm or one of the stupidist things ever written on the EF?

Definitely the second.........

yeah, not much sarcasm if you go back and look at his previous posts ...

stop the presses!!! younger women are hotter and fitter SHOCKER!!!

Hmm, Demi Moore versus whoever is playing the young, supposedly attractive woman on EastEnders right now? I know who I'd pick.

Just sayin'

Definitely might have hit a nerve in the cougar crowd.

Are there some mature women who are beutiful and fitter? yes! are there many? proally quite a few.

If you were to take a random sample of 50 year old people and on average compare them to a random sample of 25 year olds? Guess what? The younger ones would on average be considered more attractive and fitter. Definitely no shocker her, perhaps a bit disillusioning to some though