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And we are not talking about a drunko here. She is a top employ in CS and went for after work drink
yet she couldn't afford a taxi?? CS must have really clamped down to the salaries of there top people
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It must be 0.08, you'd be paralytic if not dead with 0.8.
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Old 11.01.2011, 14:30
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me was not there
i was just kind of shocked with this story putting myself in her position?
what i could that i dont even speak the languange
first of all maybe i would even be afraid to get out (if i know that i didnt hit any car)
even if i would go out and had an argument in swiss german if i hit a car or not -not with the car owner- and i am sure i didnt hit the other, what i was suppose to do?? call the police to prove the whitness that i didnt hit the car?
The law is the law, it doesn't matter if you don't speak the language. If this situation happen to you, you take a deep breath, get out of the car and deal with it with what language you can talk. You call someone who can help you to translate if the other person doesn't speak your language or a common one.

You can't avoid the law because of what language you talk or not. This is not an excuse. To run off because you are scared to get out of the car either. If you feel in danger, you lock the doors and call the police and wait until the police comes. But never leave!
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sorry not strange:
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and all this is valid if you actually hit the car behind
then you know why someone is tapping on your window

otherwise you just dont know what is happening
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otherwise you just dont know what is happening
quite normal when your drunk
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sorry not strange:
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and all this is valid if you actually hit the car behind
then you know why someone is tapping on your window

otherwise you just dont know what is happening
Yes but you don,t know since YOU weren't there. If someone did see it, why that someone would lie about it? Just for intertainment? Maybe your friend didn't see/feel it, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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sorry not strange:
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and all this is valid if you actually hit the car behind
then you know why someone is tapping on your window

otherwise you just dont know what is happening
ok, whatever. Cutting through all that BS: isnt legal limit in switzerland 50mg per 100ml of blood / 0.05? Thats equivalent to one glass of wine approximately.

The fact that your friend had TWO proseccos and something else, and then proceeded to drive, regardless of her own perceived state of sobriety is irresponsible and not to mention, illegal. End of.
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Re: real story: for everybody's information!

Did some further investigation....
0.08 is still way above the legal limit of 0.05. Assuming she had nothing to drink once she got home and you lose 0.01 every 40 mins after stopping drinking, that means she had a whopping 0.15 at 10 o'clock! Which means she was pretty pissed at the time of the incident.
No sympathy. Scumbag drink driver.
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Old 11.01.2011, 14:40
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ok, whatever. Isnt the legal limit in switzerland 50mg per 100ml of blood / 0.05?
The legal limit is 0.5 promille http://www.edimuster.ch/alkoholpolitik/promille.htm
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ok, whatever. Isnt the legal limit in switzerland 50mg per 100ml of blood / 0.05?
Thats equivalent to one glass of wine approximately.

The fact that your friend had TWO proseccos and something else, and then proceeded to drive, regardless of her own perceived state of sobriety is irresponsible and not to mention, illegal. End of.
Depends on over what period of time, her weight, etc.

If she started at 7PM, and finished at 10PM, it would be no problem, for example, but all within an hour would be different.

However, if that's all she had, (and assuming she wighs 60kg) there is no way her BAC was 0.08 five hours later (at worst, her BAC would have been that at about the time she left, had she consumed them all within an hour), and her BAC at 3AM would have been close to 0.00 (unless she had more when she got home, or more than she claims).

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Not that I agree with the situation of the hit and run, but how can the police justify their ideas that she was pissed when driving?

It's not a straight back calculation and the "offender" was not under the eyes of PC plod from incident to when they arrived at her door.

She could have gone home and polished off a bottle between the time of the incident and them arriving?!

0.08 to 0.05 not a great deal of difference if you don't drink for a couple of hours, then again depends on tolerances, weight, ability to metabolise alcohol (should be good at that working at CS) etc etc.

Then again unless there is a zero limit all this stupidity will remain.
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Depends on over what period of time, her weight, etc.

If she started at 7PM, and finished at 10PM, it would be no problem, for example, but all within an hour would be different.

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Ah so I can go out for drinks at 8pm, have about 3-4 over the course of time and drive home at 3am? Why not bring metabolism into the equation too?

If you are driving - one drink thats it. Full Stop. Period. Finito. If not, dont drive. Zürich isnt the worst place for public transport.

Call it judgmental, high up my horse or what have you, but people simply shouldnt drink AND drive. Lots of senseless deaths have occured because of a simple "oh go on then, just one more."
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Old 11.01.2011, 15:07
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Ah so I can go out for drinks at 8pm, have about 3-4 over the course of time and drive home at 3am?
The "accused" was driving at 10PM, (after one or ten drinks?); and at home at 3AM when plod came a-knocking, with their "blow into these, please ma'am".
Whilst everyone has been moralising on about drink-driving, hit and run, (both of which, I'm not condoning) discrepancies on limits of blood per parts alcohol, etc., and strange strangers; the fact is that if she is breath-tested, at home, +/- 5hrs. after the event, how can anyone say she was over the limit when driving? I wrote higher up this thread, that I save my alcohol consumption 'til after I've driven home. Who can disprove that this woman didn't do the same (whether true or not)?
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Old 11.01.2011, 15:08
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Ah so I can go out for drinks at 8pm, have about 3-4 over the course of time and drive home at 3am? Why not bring metabolism into the equation too?

If you are driving - one drink thats it. Full Stop. Period. Finito. If not, dont drive. Zürich isnt the worst place for public transport.

Call it judgmental, high up my horse or what have you, but people simply shouldnt drink AND drive. Lots of senseless deaths have occured because of a simple "oh go on then, just one more."
This is of course the best course, but you can do it if careful. A while back I went to a friend's in a remote town, no public transport to speak of, and it was a rare meeting. Being a big dude, I kept it to a drink every 90 minutes max to be sure. No cheating- normal beers, normal glasses of wine. A 10% Belgian ale counts double!

On driving home, about 1km from my friend's there was a police controle, I blew, and was shooed on my way. I did ask the cop what I blew (by my calculations it should have been zero) and it was- 0.00. I'm not condoning it, but if you know your body and are very very careful you can have a drink with an old pal and not just squeak by the limit, but be stone sober.

Of note- pound for pound, drink for drink, women will have a higher BAC then men. They just don't process alcohol the same way.
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I cringed when I read this post - not because it was stupid but because I could see that it was going to be ripped to shreds straight away.
The Op is `guilty` of using some incorrect adjectives which may be because he or she is not a native English speaker (how often do we forget that?).
First of all, I agree that drinking and driving is totally wrong.
From the Police point of view, someone reported an `alleged` hit and run incident and as alcohol may have been an influence, then that makes their visit in the early hours of the morning totally relevant.
As for the comments about being too stupid as to not get out of the car - well let`s look at it another way.
If the Op had been reporting that this friend had been returning to her car and someone (a stranger - and yes a woman is often a decoy) taps on the window telling her that she has hit something.
The driver is totally unaware of it but gets out all the same and then is either robbed or assaulted. Then the comments here would have been `Well who is stupid enough to get out their car at night when a stranger taps on the window?`.
As someone else said, the safe thing is to stay in the car and call the police - but if you know you had been drinking, then that`s a tough call.
Why would the stranger lie? - well maybe she had damaged her own car and was seeking to blame an unsuspecting driver? I don`t know.
That`s it we don`t know if she did actually hit the car.
As far as I can see - the lessons are:
1) Don`t drink and drive.
2) Check all facts, decimal points and spelling before reporting on the English forum.
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the fact is that if she is breath-tested, at home, +/- 5hrs. after the event, how can anyone say she was over the limit when driving? I wrote higher up this thread, that I save my alcohol consumption 'til after I've driven home. Who can disprove that this woman didn't do the same (whether true or not)?

I never disagreed about the curious logic of that alcohol test done at 3am and wonder how that is admissable - but thats for the lawyers to fight it out. We are only privvy to the information that the OP has shared with us on this thread.

I also indicated in one of my earlier post that:

a. she lied about the amount she consumed at the bar; or
b. she had a own little party when she got home

Fair enough but it doesnt change the fact that 2 proseccos and something else = definitely more than 0.05 at 10pm.

What time did the work drinks start? 6pm? 7pm? or worse, 8pm? Work out the average per hour. That is more than what a responsible driver should be consuming.
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I wrote higher up this thread, that I save my alcohol consumption 'til after I've driven home. Who can disprove that this woman didn't do the same (whether true or not)?
Well, the OP did say that the woman had three drinks before driving home.
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Yes my friends...this is a nice aspect of swiss people...dont you agree?
I do agree because presumably your friend could go back to bed. In the UK she would have been arrested and taken into custody (that's police cell with no belts, ties, sharp objects etc.) until her alcohol level was zero.

Then she could expect to be banned from driving and at the end of 6 month ban to be uninsurable...
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what I see here is that the woman, at the time of the alleged "accident" may or may not have been over the limit - you can only speculate and, frankly, the rozzers can't prove anything on a reading several hours later (IMO).

Even in the absence of any alcohol container or glass, proving that she was drunk at the time is speculation. Having said that, she had some hours to process any booze from her system so she's doing well to blow as high as she did at 3am.

With regards to the accident, there is no evidence to prove or disprove that contact was made. We don't have any evidence of damage but only that someone accused her of hitting a car. She got out and looked and claims to have seen nothing. No damage (allegedly) which appears, in this story, to match the examination of her car at 3am.

All-in-all, we have nothing to go on. And that's before the hearsay which has a tint of ye olde chip/shoulder "ferkin' Swiss" about it.

I reckon the rozzers will do nothing (based on the story here) and it'll come down to a insurance fight which nobody will win.
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Re: real story: for everybody's information!

I had something similar happen to a friend of mine. Only difference was it was during the day and no drinking.

But it was construed as a hit and run. And even though it was a tiny scratch that could be barely seen, it wasn't up to her to make that decision.

Cops said in a case like this she should have waited until police showed up. If other person didn't call them, then she should.
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