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thats why the law doesnt apply to her?
No, that's why she will be able to afford the court cost's etc
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Old 11.01.2011, 17:58
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The "accused" was driving at 10PM, (after one or ten drinks?); and at home at 3AM when plod came a-knocking, with their "blow into these, please ma'am".
Whilst everyone has been moralising on about drink-driving, hit and run, (both of which, I'm not condoning) discrepancies on limits of blood per parts alcohol, etc., and strange strangers; the fact is that if she is breath-tested, at home, +/- 5hrs. after the event, how can anyone say she was over the limit when driving? I wrote higher up this thread, that I save my alcohol consumption 'til after I've driven home. Who can disprove that this woman didn't do the same (whether true or not)?
I would guess the strange stranger told the police something like "I think she must have been drunk. When she opened the window it reeked of alcohol and she was slurring her words. Then when she unparked she swiveled all up and down the street nearly hitting a pedestrian."

I don't think they just breathalyser-ed her out of the blue. That fact that she didn't get arrested or charged with anything probably means they can't prove what her alcohol rate thingy was before they got there.

There don't seem to have been any consequences of the persons behavior yet.

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Why would the stranger lie? - well maybe she had damaged her own car and was seeking to blame an unsuspecting driver? I don`t know.
If this were the case I don't think the woman would have called the police. She would keep trying until someone accepted that s/he had done the damage and then gave over the insurance details.
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Re: real story: for everybody's information!

I don't know if the practice is the same in all cantons, but as far as I know a breathalizer test alone is not enough. If you test positive, i.e. above 0.5 promille (which is 0.05 %), you either can refuse a blood test, which will get you in serious troubles, or agree, upon which the cops will take you to the nearest hospital or emergency doctor.

The blood test is what counts before a judge. It's far more accurate and reliable than the breathalizer.
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One thing for sure, this incident is going to be in her records and next time (if) they will have no more doubts...
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I think it would be wise to advise all chicks to STAY IN THE CAR if someone comes tapping and asking you to get out at that time of night. In a case like this tell the accuser to call the cops and wait until they're there
very smart advice !
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Old 11.01.2011, 19:30
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Why is this for everyone's information? To warn us about the perils of drink-driving?
I thought it was a warning about the perils of women.
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Old 11.01.2011, 20:41
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Re: real story: for everybody's information!

When I took my Driving License in Denmark almost 20 years ago, the legal limit was 0.8 promille (It was since lowered to 0.5). As a rule of thumb, they said "2 Beer, then you can still drive, and with 3, you are over the limit", so if she had a drink or 2 with her husband/boyfriend after she came home, 0.8 at 3 AM is not that schocking. But it is a different matter, if she was drinking between 7 and 10 pm, then drove home, and still had 0.8 promille 5 hours later, but which scenario is true, is just not clear at this point.

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And we are not talking about a drunko here. She is a top employ in CS and went for after work drink
In Switzerland, the person's job or social status doesn not lend immunity before the law. Sorry if she didn't realise that.
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Old 11.01.2011, 21:05
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It stinks to me of an insurance swindle. Mystery woman has damage to front of car, parks behind smart car near well known restaurant, accuses friend of driving in to her car. Methinks this might cause some trouble for the accuser!

I cannot see the friend being charged with drink and drive so many hours after the event. And 0.8 is the old level, 80 milli grams alcohol per 100 ml of blood. Today much of Europe and here it is 50 mg i.e. known as 0.5

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Old 11.01.2011, 21:07
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Re: real story: for everybody's information!

Won't comment much on the story, I think the OP posted it too early as some facts seem to be missing: what did the friend drink, did she actually hit the car or not, will there be a legal follow up, etc.

And, honestly, posting the name of her workplace and her whole story is not what a real friend would do.

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Old 11.01.2011, 21:45
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Many years ago I was in a similar situation in Munich. I always carried photocopies of my driving licence, car papers, green insurance certificate.

Driving home after a 5 hour heavy meal and 3 drinks I had a small accident. A car was "undertaking" me in heavy rain and the result is I had polished the black paint off a painted chrome bumper.

We met in the rain and the other young driver accused me of being drunk and we must call the police. We went across to a petrol station where I tried to get the evening petrol salesman to witness my guilty admission but he refused to be a witness. I gave the 2 photo copies and the insurance green card to the young driver, and told him I would report it to my insurance company.

I then drove home, but I was arrested 10 minutes later. Breath tested, taken to hospital, blood tested, charged with hit and run, drunken driving, careless driving, my car was driven to a police compound.

Ten days later the police laboratory told me by telephone that I had a level of 0.45 - the limit then was 0.8 pro mille. I could then get my driving license back and drive again. Several months later I received a letter from a judge that I was not entirely innocent, as I should have waited for the police, as the young driver had requested. But I was not guilty as I had given the driver all the information necessary to make a claim: to have his old Opel bumper repainted with matt black paint!

I had to pay for my taxi home, and I calculated that there were about 30 police employees working on my "accident" and it was quite an experience. I still always carry photo copies and the originals, to give out when required.

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Old 12.01.2011, 05:54
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The "accused" was driving at 10PM, (after one or ten drinks?); and at home at 3AM when plod came a-knocking, with their "blow into these, please ma'am".
Whilst everyone has been moralising on about drink-driving, hit and run, (both of which, I'm not condoning) discrepancies on limits of blood per parts alcohol, etc., and strange strangers; the fact is that if she is breath-tested, at home, +/- 5hrs. after the event, how can anyone say she was over the limit when driving? I wrote higher up this thread, that I save my alcohol consumption 'til after I've driven home. Who can disprove that this woman didn't do the same (whether true or not)?

That's actually the part that gets me as a difference.

While such blood alcohol may indeed be above limit for driving, the occasion I had (while in Florida) to have been in a car which was rear-ended by a drunk driver, the police officers didn't catch up to him until he was already home. We were told that as he hadn't been behind the wheel when they got to him, they couldn't do anything about the drunk driving. The most they could get was leaving the scene of an accident.

I'm surprised that apparently it is different here.
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Old 12.01.2011, 07:54
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That's actually the part that gets me as a difference.

While such blood alcohol may indeed be above limit for driving, the occasion I had (while in Florida) to have been in a car which was rear-ended by a drunk driver, the police officers didn't catch up to him until he was already home. We were told that as he hadn't been behind the wheel when they got to him, they couldn't do anything about the drunk driving. The most they could get was leaving the scene of an accident.

I'm surprised that apparently it is different here.
On the flip side, in the U.S., you can be in a parked car 'sleeping it off' and a cop can demand a field sobriety test and give a DUI if you fail. Is that true here?
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Happened in Zurich, last week outside Amber club (Central)

Friend (woman,mid 40's,german) went to unpark outside Amber at about 10 o'clock at night-while she was doing that a woman was knocking on her window-she asked her what she wanted and the woman told her that she hit the car behind-she came out to see,didnt see anything and she left-went home and at 3 in the morning the police was at her door! opened the door they asked her to examine the car,went to the garage,they examined the car and then asked her to do alcohol test which she did! all these at home at 3 o'clock in the morning! test showed 0.8 although the woman had 2 glasses of prosecco and 1 campari some hours ago-she contacted lawyer next day who told her that the police has the right to do what they did-she wrote complain letter to the police and they sent her a generic document mentioning in which cases they have the right to do what they did-now she waits to see what happens as she doesnt know who accused her,of what,what was the problem with the other car,who is the owner of the other car.

Yes my friends...this is a nice aspect of swiss people...dont you agree?
Thanks for sharing your story... Shame the rest of the posters chose to be the devil's advocate and didn't really get the point!
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On the flip side, in the U.S., you can be in a parked car 'sleeping it off' and a cop can demand a field sobriety test and give a DUI if you fail. Is that true here?

The way around that in the US is to sleep in a passenger spot rather than driver's side, so that it's a relatively "safe assumption" that you're not planning to drive immediately upon waking (and that you didn't simply pass out there).


This whole thread though reminds me of back in the day when I'd "give up alcohol for Lent" (really was an excuse to get folks to stop trying to press drinks into my hand) and my friends taught me to drive so I could be the designated driver. I never had a problem with "having fun" without drinking while the general theme seemed to be "just one, okay, maybe just two..." among my crowd. I felt much more comfy with us having a non-licensed sober driver (me) than risking trouble with a tipsy one.
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This whole thread though reminds me of back in the day when I'd "give up alcohol for Lent" (really was an excuse to get folks to stop trying to press drinks into my hand) and my friends taught me to drive so I could be the designated driver. I never had a problem with "having fun" without drinking while the general theme seemed to be "just one, okay, maybe just two..." among my crowd. I felt much more comfy with us having a non-licensed sober driver (me) than risking trouble with a tipsy one.
That would still be an offence in the UK. There would have to be a "sober" full license holder in the car with you, otherwise you'd all be in trouble.
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