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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

We had a friend in Oerlikon whose house was broken into mid-afternoon, none of the neighbors heard a thing despite the fact that they thieves basically snapped the door in two in its frame. Unfortunately they lost a lot of family heirlooms.

To add insult to injury, not only was the flat owner non-apologetic, but he charged them 3000 Swissies to replace the door!
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Old 15.01.2011, 13:41
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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

Isn't theft a reason people have insurance? Can't the door be charged on that? I would strongly recommend anyone to get insured.
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I would rather stay home than doing all this complicated stuff
For automated lighting in four rooms it takes about five minutes to install and three minutes to disconnect after return. Total cost, including said multiple-timer thing in two rooms, about CHF 28.00. Way cheaper than staying home (any place other than Switzerland is cheaper).
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In another room were my beloved dogs surrounded by cocktail sticks - the police told me that they had seen this before and the thiefs had obviouly bacon/sausages on the sticks and lured the dogs into a room and shut them in....
Almost the same thinig happened to us a few years ago. The neighbours heard something and called the police, who were quickly on the scene, then both the burgulars and the police simply disappeared.

We entered the house carefully and heard shouting from the basement. We were shocked to find the policemen locked in the cellar.

Apparently, the burgulars had lured them into the basement with the smell of hot coffee and donuts. Then they left, never to be seen again.
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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

It seems that the thieves in our neighborhood are 'casing the joint' and being brazen and braking in during the day and through balconies and open windows ...

We were broken into on an especially hot day last summer when I had the bedroom window open while I was home. My baby was asleep in her room and I ran upstairs to do the laundry and the police think that someone had been watching me/us and used our garbage cans to climb up to our ground floor open window, come in, run across the bedroom, scoop all my best jewelry out of the two jewelry boxes on top of the dresser and then leave again, all without a trace. I did't even notice for a few days as I didn't go anywhere and it was too hot to put on my jewelry.

It didn't hit me for a few days, but when it did, the only thought was ... my god, my baby was in the flat ....

I know they were just petty thieves looking for things they could fence quickly, but still ... I feel lucky that we had insurance (though some jewelry is quite sentimental - engagement ring, etc ...) and all was technically replaceable and the police were really thorough. They showed up with a fingerprint dusting kit and asked me to come down to do a full report and look at photos of jewelry and give v. detailed descriptions in case they found the guy(s).

I was quite impressed with how they handled it and they never gave me grief for having an open window ... (of course we close it when leaving the flat but for 7 mins to change laundry? well, now we always do ...)

There are many wonderful things about Switzerland and Zürich. But I have become much more aware of my purse and wallet, etc.. as also my mother and husband had theirs stolen in the past year while out and about in the city. I lived in New York City for years and never had anything like this happen ... Sad but true.
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Old 17.01.2011, 22:39
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as our insurance company told us, dogs make no difference at all, they just spray wd40 into there face and the dog is totally disabled

we have a wireless system that texts and calls 5 numbers if its triggered, so you can then talk to the scroate in your house, it also has smoke alarms and co alarms connected to it
Where did you get that system from? Costs? Sounds interesting, better than what we have...
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http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/sto...hburg-29038825

Holy crap - in Zurich, one in 27 apartments gets broken into.

What do you guys do to make sure this doesn't happen to you?
I live in an end of terrace house in a very quiet area with the road 2 rows of houses away. A couple of neighbours have been broken into. We were just away for a month and our place was fine. We had the mail stopped and all shutters down. We did leave loads of kids toys and our sleds out in the garden though, maybe that helped.

The original owner was very security conscious. We have bars on all cellar windows (easy to get through these), security glass (hard to break through), metal door frames with steel poles locking up and across the entry door frames, multi-lock (locks all around the frame with a key) doors and windows. The garden has shock lighting installed that comes on when someone enters the garden (luckily not cats). I always lock downstairs when we are on the roof in the basement, mainly to stop a determined cat from getting in and finding a warm place to sleep.

Around christmas we get a lot of door-knockers and I often find my doormat moved (presumably people looking for a key). I work close to home and can see via security cam. My in-laws have a security cam that monitors only their front door and record loads of dodgy folks checking if they are about.

I spoke to the police when I was considering the house and they said to always lock the patio doors/windows with a key. A friend with a patio door that had no key had thieves twist the door in the frame. The police also said to lower our shutters when not at home, even if only for an hour, as this creates another barrier since they need to lift these to break-in and it creates too much noise. Another neighbour doesn't agree and thinks that putting the shutters down shows you are not at home but thieves can just ring the doorbell for that. That neighbours uses lights on a timer and that seems to do the trick too.
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Old 18.01.2011, 08:20
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Where did you get that system from? Costs? Sounds interesting, better than what we have...
£300 from the UK,
http://www.global-gadgets.com/House_Alarms.html
the defender 5 with some extra sensors, keypad, smoke alarms and co detector. less then the cost of an alarm with only 1 sensor here (think we have about 20 sensors in total) all wireless.

they will ship here, but you'll get an import bill, so we got the inlaws to bring it over, no issues

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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

Is there such a thing as a crime 'heat' map of Zürich?

Some American cities publish all crime data and then other groups display that through Google maps and the like.

If no one is doing that, are the crime stats available with the necessary geographical data? If so, that would make a great project.
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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

Better double check doors and windows before leave home, specially if you live in suspicious area and more specially if you have things that you really hate to loose
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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

Funny and believable, two of my colleagues who live in Zuerich got broken into last year - one of them even twice. When I lived in the UK (for almost 10 years) I didn't know anyone who was subject to a burglary.
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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

Always leave a hall light on, because burglars don't know that trick.
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Funny and believable, two of my colleagues who live in Zuerich got broken into last year - one of them even twice. When I lived in the UK (for almost 10 years) I didn't know anyone who was subject to a burglary.

where did you live in the uk???? we where burgled 5 times that I remember and cars broken into twice, thats various areas, southeast and norfolk. Alarms didn't put them off at all
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What do you guys do to make sure this doesn't happen to you?

Very small entry lobby caught between two reinforced doors. Breaking the first door open will cause it to be slammed shut by a gas-operated actuator and two flash bangs to be detonated at a 60 second interval, followed by the release of a teargas canister in the confined space. No speedy getaways guaranteed.
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We had a friend in Oerlikon whose house was broken into mid-afternoon, none of the neighbors heard a thing despite the fact that they thieves basically snapped the door in two in its frame. Unfortunately they lost a lot of family heirlooms.

To add insult to injury, not only was the flat owner non-apologetic, but he charged them 3000 Swissies to replace the door!

I know this is Switzerland, but it seems very unlikely to have to pay for the door, given the fact that it was not the tenant who snapped it.
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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

Now I feel a bit scared.

How are things in buildings where several blocks of flats share one large garage? Do you have to unlock the door coming out of the garage bit into the stairwell that goes up to the flats or is that generally open?
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where did you live in the uk???? we where burgled 5 times that I remember and cars broken into twice, thats various areas, southeast and norfolk. Alarms didn't put them off at all

I lived in SE different locations - last one was in Basingstoke which is not considered the most glamorous of locations due to a high concentration of chavs, maybe we were just lucky and managed to avoid burglaries.
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Re: Enormous number of break-ins in Switzerland

With such a high frequency of burglaries, and the need to fence a lot of goods, I take it these are pros... Is there some foreign syndicate of thieves preying on CH or are these residents? Hate to raise the specter of evil foreigners, but I have a hard time imagining Fritz und Hans poking under doormats looking for keys.

I never see this in the News...

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With such a high frequency of burglaries, and the need to fence a lot of goods, I take it these are pros... Is there some foreign syndicate of thieves preying on CH or are these residents? Hate to raise the specter of evil foreigners, but I have a hard time imagining Fritz und Hans poking under doormats looking for keys.

I never see this in the News...

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It is reported. For example, in Wädenswil one weekend in December, there were four reported break-ins:

Here
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With such a high frequency of burglaries, and the need to fence a lot of goods, I take it these are pros... Is there some foreign syndicate of thieves preying on CH or are these residents? Hate to raise the specter of evil foreigners, but I have a hard time imagining Fritz und Hans poking under doormats looking for keys.

I never see this in the News...

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According to the Bundesamt für Statistik about 25% of people in jail are foreigners here without a formal permission (without permits).
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