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Old 30.04.2011, 00:43
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Re: Diesel vs Benzin in Switzerland

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How about if I power my diesel engine with rapeseed oil. ?
Great idea, as I hate the stuff. Most disgusting oil I've ever tasted (worse than motor oil)

Burn it all.

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Old 30.04.2011, 01:04
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Re: Diesel vs Benzin in Switzerland

My two cents worth is that it is horrid to be in queue behind a modern diesel car - the smell is still awful.

Both fuel types pollute the environment, but I would go for benzine every time when buying a "normal" car - it has a lot to do with decent acceleration as well as the fact that diesel appears to be the unhealthier option.
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Re: Diesel vs Benzin in Switzerland

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How about if I power my diesel engine with rapeseed oil. That's not a fossil fuel.
Bio ethanol pretty good too

BOT... A la mod is right tho, new petrol engines are making stunning advances in the efficiency stakes.

I believe there is one fundamental part missing from this topic tho and that is what exactly one intends to do, vehicle type size and engine size. In CH there are a lot of hills high torque values are good at "not noticing hills and changing down gears so much" this is Diesel's back yard and the same goes for towing anything. Fast response and instant power delivery is Benzin's; Diesel can produce the power and then some but the band it is in is a lot lower and smaller..

I just yesterday sold a car a diesel that was returning 10.9 - 12 per 100l combined so with the high fuel price I did not find this cheap to run in the slightest! 150 bucks plus to fill up and then the high tax bracket... I would go diesel again in the UK for specifics, but not here! no way. Diesel is more expensive than VPower!!!
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Re: Diesel vs Benzin in Switzerland

I have always been told that for the average social user, diesel is not economic, only when getting over 25k per year on average can you see a return on the extra costs of purchase etc.
In Germany in the mid/late 90s the government gave people tax incentives to buy diesels, a few years later these were repealed and diesel tax became higher than petrol.
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Re: Diesel vs Benzin in Switzerland

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5) Switzerland wants all new diesel vehicles to be fitted with particle filters as of 2007. Do we need to ask this specifically for newer models (2010 onwards)


Also a quick update here, even if you buy from the ''good /known'' dealers a new model, there is no gaurantee that the diesel cars come with the filters , So Do ask before you buy! especially if the cars are 'imported' .

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Re: Diesel vs Benzin in Switzerland

What is not particularly well publicized in Europe (downright downplayed in countries like France) is that Diesels emit NOx (smog, acid rain, lung diseases) and for them to be sold in the US they need an additional urea (aqueous ammonia) injection. It truly makes for a very complex system with an additional tank in the car that needs to be refilled. If the tank is empty for too long, the computer in the car will prevent the car from starting and you will only be able to tow your car to a Mercedes/VW dealer. It also obliges you to service your car at a dealership.
There was a British magazine that compared a Mercedes E320 (gasoline) and a Mercedes E320CDI (diesel). At the end it came in favor of the gasoline version as the diesel had more issues with the high pressure injectors/pumps etc... while the gasoline E320 was indestructible.
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About "Those countries talking about penalty taxes or bans on diesels (and Switzerland is one) are only talking about older, dirtier engines. "

Only partly true; the EU is talking about a higher tax on diesel fuel because of the high CO2...
...as has been the case here for years (except you mean higher carbon content and not higher CO2). A diesel will typically emit less CO2 despite the higher carbon content of the fuel. They're still a lot cheaper to run (although maybe not to buy).

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If you like to drive really fast, go Benzin. Otherwise, just take what's cheaper and be happy.
A typical 2l petrol engined car will do about 210 Km/h. A typical diesel 2l will do pretty much exactly the same. It's not about speed. It MAY be about handling due to the extra weight of a diesel engine.

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I just yesterday sold a car a diesel that was returning 10.9 - 12 per 100l combined so with the high fuel price I did not find this cheap to run in the slightest!
...and my neighbour has a petrol engined car that uses nearer 20l/100Km. Your point is....?
It's about how similar engines compare not about absolute economy. Otherwise you don't consider anything larger than a Fiat 500.
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Re: Diesel vs Benzin in Switzerland

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...as has been the case here for years (except you mean higher carbon content and not higher CO2). A diesel will typically emit less CO2 despite the higher carbon content of the fuel. They're still a lot cheaper to run (although maybe not to buy).


A typical 2l petrol engined car will do about 210 Km/h. A typical diesel 2l will do pretty much exactly the same. It's not about speed. It MAY be about handling due to the extra weight of a diesel engine.


...and my neighbour has a petrol engined car that uses nearer 20l/100Km. Your point is....?
It's about how similar engines compare not about absolute economy. Otherwise you don't consider anything larger than a Fiat 500.
Well my petrol engine does indeed also return 20-28 if lead footing, the point is exactly that with the cost of diesel and and the displacement size needed to get a decent amount of horsepower there are petrol engines that achieve the same power output for lower running costs. (In this country, unless you are doing a monster milage)
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Re: Diesel vs Benzin in Switzerland

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Diesel or Benzene? I am getting mixed views and we are totally confused.
Just a little terminology pedantry: Benzin is NOT benzene, it is gasoline (petrol).
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