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Basel itself hasn't got a lot to do if you're not into museums Mel
I don't have time to go to museums!

Basel has cinemas, live theatre, sports clubs, (inc. a womens rugby team, as well as running, tennis, badminton, squash, ) music classes and groups, evening and weekend classes, walking groups, bookclubs, language classes and conversation groups, sports bars ( strangers speak to me whenever I drop in to Pickwicks to watch a NZ game) bicycle tracks, curry evenings, easy transport to ski fields, lakes other towns and other countries, canoe, rowing and dragonboat clubs, swimming pools, night clubs, cafes, restaurants, good parks, riverside places for picnics and bbqs, shops, horseriding, a sailing club, dance clubs ( anything from Baltic, to Scottish to disco, salsa and tango) charity raisers, iceskating.....

Special events throughout the year are easier to get to and to have a good view of , than similar London events: EG:faschnacht, stadtlauf, Vogelgryff arrival, tattoo parade; the Slowup.....
My only compaint is that I don't have the time to be able to fit in all the things I enjoy doing regularly after woork and over the weekends.
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Old 17.01.2011, 00:13
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Dear All,

Again, such wonderful messages, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I hope I will actually manage to fall asleep tonight, as I need it badly...

Fallout: thank you for sharing what you feel. I wonder if ever there is any decision on which you would really feel 100%... Thank you for offering your friendship.

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What the hell can I do--I am panicking! I thought I'd do such a great "deal" by moving here but it dawns on me more and more (and despite most of the posts) that I will actually NOT be able to increase my quality of life by coming here.
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I am very scared I may have made the wrong decision...thinking that my quality of life would improve by moving there vs. keeping my old job in London... totally scared and not sure I can back up now!
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Well, first of all I am a saver and I thought that I will be able to save more in Basel than in London. One of the biggest reasons for making the move was (wrongly!) based on this consideration.
After reading this thread, I think you actually have made the wrong decision. I think you build your reason for moving on a totally wrong ground. It's normal to freak out before moving to another country - but that's normally caused because of leaving your friends and family, know no one in the new country, no nothing about how things works there and so on. Everyone get to the doubting point. Everyone get homesick and moments of loneliness.
You seam to be focused on the money side, and I think that is the wrong reason to move.

Still - Switzerland has one of the highest life-standards in the world. Yes, some things are expensive, but you can get by with a lot less if you do your homework. My flat is quite nice and not expensive at all. In Basel you can go with public transport (or bike) to both France and Germany for some cheaper shopping. I can't see how life could be any sweeter than exactly here.

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Second, quality of life means to be in a safe place where I can board a bus (or tram) or a taxi late at night and still feel safe without some drug dealer following me home (as I read in another posts).
WHERE did you read that?
Honey, I've been rolling on the streets so pissed that I haven't know if I was coming or going. I've made bad decisions like to walk or (even worse) bike home to sober up - alone of course. Once a stranger in a car stopped me and offered me a lift, and despite all WARNINGS about NOT ever doing that, I did and it was fine.

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Third, I am an outgoing person and I want to be surrounded by people who are friendly and kind in return for me being so. Apparently neighbors come to your door complaining if you take a late shower--WTF??!! (pardon my words).
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People exaggerate. Every place has pluses and minuses.

It's funner to say "I was going to buy a rib eye steak but got put on hold whilst calling the IMF" than posting "I bought a rib eye steak; similar price to other countries, tasted the same. Thanks for reading".
I've got some nice and less nice neighbors, but never have they complained over some late showers or flushing. For these 2 1/2 years I've lived here, I got one serious complain - but to be fair, I had two guests, two bottles of vodka, Michael Jackson at the highest volume and us singing... Oh, and it was 1 am on a Wednesday. Let's call that fair complain.

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Which company are you working for Bayer, Roche or Novartis?
*fixed that for ya*
To add, that's true what has been mentioned before. The Pharma giants take excellent care of their employers. I'm am very grateful for my workplace.

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What I want to know is: can you sing? If so we'll have you for this year's panto. http://www.baselpanto.org/
DON'T YOU LISTEN TO HIM! THIS IS A TRAP!
The time when I was the MOST scare since I moved to Basel, was when I had to stand in front of these Panto people and SING in front of them - sober and without any music background!

If you do decide to come, check out our social-events. You could be pleasantly surprised when you meet the Basel lot.
Basel is perhaps not for everyone, some find it too small or some this and some that. But personally I've always liked it. It has it's charm, and I've gotten to known some outstanding people here.

If you decide not to come, can you please PM me the job description and a contact person
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Old 17.01.2011, 00:22
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Re: Moving into Basel--is it worth it?

Get some sleep

Everything always seems worse at night, it's when all the doubts and problems creep into our heads.

You'll feel better in the morning. Try not to worry too much, whatever happens it will just be what is meant. You'll be okay, I promise.
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Re: Moving into Basel--is it worth it?

Not only do I think all of Switzerland is wonderful, I think Basel is the best city in all of Switzerland.

#1: The people are very friendly and open to other cultures. Basel is at a point with two other countries (France & Germany) and they are very familiar & open to sharing their lives with people from different places.

#2: Shopping in France or Germany. This is the best part of all...within 10 minutes (by the great public transport system) you have an amazing selection of foods and goods to choose from! At a much lower price. I recommend Hieber in Germany and Casino Geant in France for all groceries. Plus it's pretty cool to say "I'm going to France to shop today!" Your savings will double if you follow this wise shopping choice.

Your quality of life will improve...trust me! My two closest friends here are London proper born and raised. They make much more money, pay alot less taxes and have a nicer apartment 3X the size of their place in London. They get homesick at times, but there is a great airport here with the wonderful regular Easyjet access to London and many other great destinations in Europe.

Restaurant choices are limited and they are expensive in Basel & all of Switzerland. But I can honestly say I've never eaten at a bad place here. What the Swiss do, they do well. Plus you'll enjoy the times you eat out more, and you will learn to cook, be healthier and save money. It's worked great for us. Also, Colmar, France is 30 minutes away...and they boast to have some of the best restaurants in all of France. My husband and I go there and eat like royalty.

Pay attention to the buildings that you look at to live in. If it seems to be full of old people, it might make you feel better to avoid it. But these strict rules you hear about are largely embellished. Especially in Basel. In the 60's & 70's it was that way, but the country has modernized. Remember that many people at times rightly use forums to express their frustrations, and it isn't always an accurate portrayal of the way things really are everywhere.

Coming from the States, I have never felt safer in my life. There are bad people everywhere...but Switzerland must have the least amount of them. I feel like I could take a nap on the street at 3:00 am in the worst area of KleinBasel and no one would bother me...or if they were to bother me it would be to make sure I'm OK. If you want to feel like you live in a fairy tale setting, try specific areas of Gross Basel...or Riehen is very nice!

There will be frustrations, adjustments & true pain in the arse moments anytime you move to a new country. But I can say from experience it makes you stronger and full of great stories to tell. Remember one of Great Britain's most famous mottos: "Keep Calm & Carry On!"

I can whole heartedly recommend Basel and Switzerland!!

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Old 17.01.2011, 11:37
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That is very kind. No particular good voice but could give it a try!
We'll settle for volume over quality.

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Oh no it isn't!

(Actually it is. Once you're involved the only way to escape is emigrate).
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:11
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Re: Moving into Basel--is it worth it?

I must say I had a better sleep than in the other 3-4 days. My stomach is still twisting and twirling, but I try to be positive about the whole thing and try to think nothing is truly irreversible, should the worst scenario happen.

Wish you all a great week!
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Re: Moving into Basel--is it worth it?

You should look at it as a positive experience. Basel is a really nice city at the border of three cultures. It has a lot to offer. There are many
on the forum in the Basel area.

There are also social events on the forum where you can get to know
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I must say I had a better sleep than in the other 3-4 days. My stomach is still twisting and twirling, but I try to be positive about the whole thing and try to think nothing is truly irreversible, should the worst scenario happen.
Two weeks before I moved to Switzerland, I had a wonderful, interesting, well-paid job; a gorgeous fiancee; my own little house... overall, I had a very comfortable life, thank you very much.

By the time I'd arrived in Switzerland, I'd lost all of it.

Five years later, after a somewhat entertaining and eventful journey, I have a wonderful job, a gorgeous wife, a very nice (rented) apartment, and a social life that is better than anything I've enjoyed since university.

Ten years ago, a young Kosovar stumbled out of a shipping container at a service station in Leicestershire and ended up in my class. He had no family left back home, no possessions but the clothes in which he'd arrived, no money and no English.

Now he runs a chain of car washes and drives a BMW.

This forum, and the world outside the forum, are awash with stories of people making a new life in a new country against all odds. People on salaries much less than that which you have described. People in circumstances much more inconvenient and discouraging. They did alright in the end, even if things didn't turn out quite how they expected.

Make the leap. Really - what's the worst that can happen?
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Old 17.01.2011, 13:57
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Re: Moving into Basel--is it worth it?

Haha, I think this OP has got some STRESSFUL times ahead, really dont believe everything you read! I originally moved to Basel at 21 female and single - I lived in Basel for 5 years and never even once felt unsafe and thats even going to the bars around the red light district and klein basel till all times of the morning! Ok you might get the odd guy that trys to say hello, but thats no crime, just politely say no and move on!

Quality of life is not even a comparison with london, 20 minute commute to work on a nice, clean and on time tram, finishing work by 6pm if not earlier most days, the mountains an hour away, transport so much cheaper than london (I now live in ZH and pay 700CHF for the tram for the whole yr!) I would love to see your post just 6 months after arriving here and see what your opinion is then.

The most difficult thing for ppl to cope with here I think is being away from family (if you are super close) and friends - truth is for me it filtered out who my real friends were! Only my real friends came out and to see me and kept in touch actively! Means all the friends I have at home now are real. Thats cool by me! Get yourself involved when you arrive there is a huge expat community of all ages and with all different interests, its a great life but it wont be handed to you on a plate - be active.

Stop stressing, enjoy the ride and I hope it works out for you. Whats the worst that happens really? If you really hate there is always a flight back home!!
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We'll settle for volume over quality.
Really??!!! My husband always tells me 'what I lack in talent I make up for with volume'.... and YES - he was referring to my singing

This thread has really shown me that there are a lot of great people here in Basel. I must meet some of you!! But my husband doesn't like curry
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Really??!!! My husband always tells me 'what I lack in talent I make up for with volume'.... and YES - he was referring to my singing

This thread has really shown me that there are a lot of great people here in Basel. I must meet some of you!! But my husband doesn't like curry
Go without him
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Old 17.01.2011, 14:20
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Lovely people,

I feel that this conversation is slowly evolving from a very tough, maybe dry (on my side) tone to a more pleasant, open communication. I do hope that if/when I move it will be like this: expect a few months of tough life and restless nights, then slowly get at peace with the place, and finally enjoy it and start loving it.

I am an active person and should be able to get in touch fast. This forum is really great to connect with expats and locals with the same interests and hobbies--it's great.

Warm greetings from a rainy London!
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The sun is shining here, the sky is cloudless and deep blue and it is a wonderful wonderful day .. just look at what you have ahead of you!

PS for the record, the only time a neighbour ever complained to me about me making noise was when I lived in .... Earls Court. (toilet flushing before 6am, and no he wasn't Swiss, Scottish I believe ..)
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Old 17.01.2011, 14:31
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This thread has really shown me that there are a lot of great people here in Basel. I must meet some of you!! But my husband doesn't like curry

I know it's sort-of but not really "off topic" (not really as the OP may find this a good consideration also)...

If you're not into curry, plan something else. Surely you or he (or both) have some social interests in common with some of the rest of us here... and sometimes folks from further away come to Basel just to hang out as well.

Grumpygrapefruit does Ploughman's Lunch at Red Rocks sometimes, I believe the folks from RR have asked for it to become a more frequent event and are interested in hiring a band for the occasion even.

LiB (from Olten) organizes KFC runs into France something like once a month and plenty of the Basel folks go as well.

I met Bunnykins and Angela-74 through Dungeons and Dragons which was hosted by Angela-74 and although we no longer meet, I'm sure some may still be interested, as well as others who may wish to join.

I met Begga and "re-met" BaselLife through the Basel PhotoClub, off the top of my head I can not remember if there are any gatherings scheduled for that soon or not.

There are two book clubs which meet on a semi-regular basis, one which (seems to) tend toward "mainstream" literary works and the other more focused on fantasy fiction (Sci-fi, fantasy, horror, crime fiction and the like).

Basel Dragons running club has groups at a variety of levels of fitness / running ability, thus far the folks I've met who participate have all impressed me as nice and friendly folks.

Also, I know quite a few folks have expressed interest in a dining out experience other than curry, preferably on a non-conflicting night OR (or maybe "and") perhaps something like the Grub Club that some of the folks in Zürich set up would be something some would be interested in here in Basel.

Also in the line of food, I've met a few folks who have expressed interest in learning how to cook, whether it is cooking on a budget, cooking with particular cuisine (or a variety of cuisines) in mind, or baking / candy making. If you're interested in that, you may find others who would happily join as well.


Anyhow, the point is, there is a lot to do in Basel, whether it is with other "expats" or simply things going on around town and usually the opportunities are there to socialize if you care to reach out and / or join in.
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Old 17.01.2011, 14:45
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Re: Moving into Basel--is it worth it?

Hi,

also there are many other things going in Basel. For example, there are three different english lanaguage theatre groups. As an example we stage a pantomime every year in Basel and the number of people coming to see it is growing every year and last year we had 1700 people who came to to see the show. Yesterday, I was involved in the audtions for Rent, a musical that will be staged in June. There are always lots of jobs to do either backstaqe or in building sets etc.

Every second Thursday for 6 months of the year there is english stand up comedy at the Kuppel in Basel. Arranged by "Funny Laundry", there are always good acts from the uk and other countries.

There are loads of other things going on, and if you want to start something. That is how the photo groups and book clubs got started.

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Re: Moving into Basel--is it worth it?

I've been keeping an eye out for the Basel photograpy club's next event.

I'd love to host some things as well - we are still just in our wee temporary flat but could get a few folks in....

Like 'home spa' days - make up natural beauty products - give each others facials etc... and learn to cook days/nights would be fun. I could teach pasta making and would love to learn asian cooking. There are so many asian markets here. My husband and I had a japanese night last night making things from my new Yo! Sushi cookbook. Was a bit of the blind leading the blind but I think we did OK. Made one hell of a mess though.

And once we get bikes we want to take advantage of all the great trails and paths and could do this as a group outing. Maybe cycle to KFC
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Re: Moving into Basel--is it worth it?



Sorry to be negative Expat_1, but are you normally this histrionic about things?

You are considering a move to Basel, for a well paid job. Honestly, it isn't that complex and need not be that stressful. Rather, it is as stressful as you want it to be, so grow some balls and get on with it.

Maybe life in panto is indeed something to consider.
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Not histrionic in a regular situation, but have been under a lot of stress and strain in the last 2 years, and obviously, although the worst is past me, the effects still show.

Perhaps the next years in Basel will really bring me to my "normal" state, I am a cheerful person, and lovable too (or so I was told).

Greetings from a cloudy (the rain just stopped) London.
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Dear All,

First of all, greetings!

I am considering moving to Basel to a CHF 140k job with one of the Pharma companies. I am now in London on a GBP 70k salary.

1. do you think it's worth accepting the job? I mean, would the quality of my life improve or get worse after accounting for taxes and cost of living, etc.?

2. is Basel a safe city to live in for a 35 yrs old single female (I read about drug dealers, pimps and people following women)?

Thanks.


Along the same line, is Basel more dangerous than London (Victoria area)?
If you like quiet cities where nothing goes on at night, then yes, Basel is for you.
If you prefer lively cities, then stay in London.
I personally prefer the latter, but guess how I made up for it? on the weekend I go to Mulhouse(fr) or Lörrach (de)...
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