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Old 21.01.2011, 15:37
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just thought it was a bit strange as I was leaving switzerland not actually trying to enter. that said, i still won't be taking it back and forth with me, it's another thing to lose, it's EU and with that you're supposed to be able to come and go as you please. however it is strange being asked as you leave UK...
I guess the Swiss want to make sure you didn't over stay your 90 days.


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I was asked once and told the guy that obviously I wouldn't carry both my passport and permit with me, cuz losing both would be stupid.

Since a passport is valid for entry into CH, you obviously don't have to produce it on request. You'll be rarely asked, and as was the case with you, if you don't have it, that's it, on you go.
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You are confusing many different agreements here. People from Schengen countries don't have any special right to reside in CH for more than 3 months either.
You are sort of contradicting yourself here. Since non-EUs and well even EU's don't have the right to reside in CH for more than 3 months (with being registered, etc), when you leave they are checking to see if you didn't over stay your time. You will need to show your permit.

And coming back in, especially if CH is your last destinations, the airlines and immigration will need to make sure you can in fact enter & stay in the country so again you will need to present your permit. Thus you really should bring it with you when you are traveling.
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Old 21.01.2011, 15:44
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And coming back in, especially if CH is your last destinations, the airlines and immigration will need to make sure you can in fact enter & stay in the country so again you will need to present your permit. Thus you really should bring it with you when you are traveling.
Here I would say it depends... If your in & out stamps show more than 3 months on your stay, and not enough of a cool down period, I would understand Why they would ask.

Me as Mexican, I just need to present my passport, to stay 90 days, why would anything else would be necessary?

The problem may be on the fact that you declare Residence to the and needs to be proven, but since he got off with a " well just go" then I don't know why would they ask.

I present the permit anyways as I just don't mind.
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Old 21.01.2011, 15:47
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You are confusing many different agreements here. People from Schengen countries don't have any special right to reside in CH for more than 3 months either.
No, but if you come from a Schengen country, you don't need to show any documentation to enter CH.

To/from the UK, you do. The OP was going to the UK.

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Old 21.01.2011, 16:16
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You are sort of contradicting yourself here. Since non-EUs and well even EU's don't have the right to reside in CH for more than 3 months (with being registered, etc), when you leave they are checking to see if you didn't over stay your time. You will need to show your permit.

And coming back in, especially if CH is your last destinations, the airlines and immigration will need to make sure you can in fact enter & stay in the country so again you will need to present your permit. Thus you really should bring it with you when you are traveling.
I am not contradicting myself at all. I was responding to his implication that Schengen people are treated differently than UK people. All traditional EU countries are treated the same upon entry to CH. Arriving from a Schengen country, you will likely not be checked, but you can be and the rules still apply.

Now due to Schengen, they have no idea when you last entered/left the country, so the 3 month rules is in practical terms impossible to enforce. the fact that they don't even scan your passport all the time when travelling between here and the UK means they realise this.

As for the permit, you ARE NOT required to carry it anywhere, not even within CH. A passport is valid for entry in CH. See above for 3 months.

When my parents arrived from Canada (non-EU), they didnt even receive a stamp in their passports, so again no one would know how long they've been in Schengen. The fact is they don't care. They are more worried about permits re work and social assistance.

And as I said, the one instance where the trouble-maker asked for my permit, when I said no, he just let it go. Now you may wonder how he knew to ask for my permit?!?! Cuz why assume anything other than I was a tourist. It's obviously because they have your permit linked with your passport and other details. Again, no need to carry your permit even if what you claim were true.

Re airlines, they have absolutely no idea re your residence status anywhere. All they can do is check you have a valid passport and/or visa as required.

[2 months away from EF arguments, so excuse my insistence. Okay, back into hiding.]
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Re: Asked for permit when leaving CH

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And coming back in, especially if CH is your last destinations, the airlines and immigration will need to make sure you can in fact enter & stay in the country so again you will need to present your permit. Thus you really should bring it with you when you are traveling.
correct you are.
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correct you are.
If you tend to require a visa in your passport then the permit is something you should travel with. For EU and a few other blessed nationals, passport will always be enough.

I've flown many places to and from Switzerland....and never once, in 16 years, needed to show my permit. I would estimate that I've flown out and in around 500 times during that period
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Old 21.01.2011, 16:41
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I am not contradicting myself at all.
yes you are.

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No I'm not.
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No I'm not.
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[2 months away from EF arguments, so excuse my insistence. Okay, back into hiding.]
Why do people think "discussing" online is an "argument". It's NOT an argument. I'm not upset, I'm not attacking you, I'm not challenging you. It's only a discussion.

ANYway... I'm sure all our info is now in some database some where. Personally, I travel with my relevant permits, etc. It makes life easier and keeps me less stressed.
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Why do people think "discussing" online is an "argument". It's NOT an argument. I'm not upset, I'm not attacking you, I'm not challenging you. It's only a discussion.
This is the EF; it's always an argument.

I knew if I used the word 'argument' I would get a response. Good to see the EF hasn't changed.

Anyways, if you need to carry your permit as a comfort blanket, please feel free to do so. For the rest of us (from the EU+EEA), a passport is enough.
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Old 21.01.2011, 17:17
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This is the EF; it's always an argument.

I knew if I used the word 'argument' I would get a response. Good to see the EF hasn't changed.
So now you want to argue with me about what an argument is!?

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Anyways, if you need to carry your permit as a comfort blanket, please feel free to do so. For the rest of us (from the EU+EEA), a passport is enough.
I still carry my "safety blanket Swiss C" down here in Argentina!
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Re: Asked for permit when leaving CH

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I've flown many places to and from Switzerland....and never once, in 16 years, needed to show my permit. I would estimate that I've flown out and in around 500 times during that period
Everytime I've flown into Zurich I've been asked for my permit/if I have one but never at Geneva airport. These days when going into Zurich I just give my permit and passport. Usually both are inspected thoroughly. Guess I look like a trouble maker
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Re: Asked for permit when leaving CH

When I flew back from Thailand, they asked me if I had a permit for
Switzerland.

The US asked me for a permit as well. They then complained that
it was in German and French!!
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I've been in Geneva for nearly 3 years now and never been asked despite quite a few flights abroad.

When they give me something a convenient size (like the real Swissies get) then I'll carry it with me...
If you have your passport with you, then the permit is a very easy document to carry.
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Re: Asked for permit when leaving CH

Every time I leave Switzerland for a non-Schengen country, I am asked for my permit. It's to make sure you haven't overstayed; I always have it on me because I don't want any complications.
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Re: Asked for permit when leaving CH

The immigration officer in Basel said to me something in German like "immer *something* zusammen*" after I failed to show him my permit right away (I only gave him my passport but handed him my permit after I saw how puzzled he looked with my nationality). From that, I gather I should always show them together. So from now on I'll always bring my B-permit with me. I worry about losing it abroad, but I mean I worry about my passport too... but it just always stays in a locked suitcase or hotel safe or at home, I never carry it on the street with me. Haven't got in trouble so far but who knows... there's no win-win here.
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Re: Asked for permit when leaving CH

I have been asked the permit in Japan while travelling back to Switzerland and having no connecting flight to another European country
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Re: Asked for permit when leaving CH

When leaving for a trip to the US I was asked for my permit (thankfully I do carry it with me) and was advised that I needed to hand it in with my passport at all times in Switzerland to ensure that they don't waste time searching for the stamps in and out of the country.
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When leaving for a trip to the US I was asked for my permit (thankfully I do carry it with me) and was advised that I needed to hand it in with my passport at all times in Switzerland to ensure that they don't waste time searching for the stamps in and out of the country.
Why should I care if they waste time searching for the stamps in and out of the country, not my problem? I have all the time in the world.
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Re: Asked for permit when leaving CH

there was 1 certain lady at manchester airport (serviceair) who always used to ask for people permits, when challenged she would come out with i am the first line of defence" and could never provide anyone with the legislation requiring the check.

1 official complaint later and she never asked for the permit again... I believe this lady was the cause of a similar thread on this site in the past.

There also has be a distinction between EU and non EU inc "new" EU nationals over who is and isnt asked for the permit.
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