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Not true. They did not memorize prices, but product IDs. That's why Aldi always had less than 1000 products - the IDs are three digits. Up to some years ago, they did not use scanners as the employees were faster at entering the IDs on a keyboard than anyone looking for a barcode and scanning an item. The tests on memorizing the IDs were tough - and necessary to keep the speed high. Therefore did Aldi always pay better than the competition - a harder job with a better pay. Sounds fair to me.
I knew it was all done on memory. Still quite an achievement though.
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Old 25.01.2011, 17:54
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Re: Packing in Supermarkets

I got my worst waiting in a line while someone is packing experience from an american in Marktkauf.

That guy didn't understand the concept of packing while scanning. And he was packing everything in a certain order that took him 15 minutes after the scanning was done. The lady was waiting for him to pay (which he didn't do until the very end, of course) and we were waiting in line for more than 20 minutes because of his packing.

I hope that guy got the hint I served him in english for his next grocery shopping experience... He must have been new in Europe and wasn't used to pack by himself.... I can't see other reasons and I am not sure I want to believe in something else!

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My sugar is 100% Swiss!!!
Yeah, and it's made from turnips - it's not proper sugar

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Old 25.01.2011, 18:35
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Do we know if there is any correlation with these folks and the dumb-ass people who gawp their way through Ikea, admiring Sweden's finest contribution to modern lifestyle, walking at a snail's pace as if it were some kind of art gallery or shrine, and unable to comprehend that the rest of us just want to pick something up and get on with our lives?
Honest, this is one of the reaons I hate IKEA and have stopped going there. Some years ago they changed the font in the IKEA catalogue and according to an article in Der Spiegel there was an uproar with people saying a design icon was being vandalised. I actually know some sad individuals who say something is cool because they have it in IKEA. One of them even takes the IKEA catalogue with her to read on the bus. I guess IKEA uses a special type of chipboard these days with a drool repellent layer on the outside.
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Old 25.01.2011, 18:40
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OP, you are so right. I often seem to get stuck behind people that not only wait until everything's been scanned before starting to pack, but who also then stand blocking the aisle to pack while my stuff is being scanned, so I can't even get round them to start packing my own stuff. Makes me want to scream!
I suppose I am, to a certain extent, one of the guilty ones. My excuse - It makes a lot of difference what goes where in my bags.

The weight balance between the two big carrier bags has to be right, the light stuff must go on top, heavy stuff must go into the rucksack and packed carefully so that it doesn't dig into my back when I walk up the hill. I must have my purse safely away but my bus ticket available in case I give up the battle and take the bus for the steep bit up the hill. In summer the perishables must go into an insulating bag so that they keep cool until I get home. It is quite difficult to manage all the 'containers' to get it right.

If there are a lot of folk in a hurry though, I put the whole lot back into the trolley and sort it out well away from other folk: On the whole I avoid times when all you industrious folk with 'working hours' are shopping anyway.
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Old 25.01.2011, 18:51
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Only for drinks and cereals? What about sugar butties?

Telling me what I can do with my sugar? Bloody fascists!
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I suppose I am, to a certain extent, one of the guilty ones. My excuse - It makes a lot of difference what goes where in my bags.

The weight balance between the two big carrier bags has to be right, the light stuff must go on top, heavy stuff must go into the rucksack and packed carefully so that it doesn't dig into my back when I walk up the hill. I must have my purse safely away but my bus ticket available in case I give up the battle and take the bus for the steep bit up the hill. In summer the perishables must go into an insulating bag so that they keep cool until I get home. It is quite difficult to manage all the 'containers' to get it right.

If there are a lot of folk in a hurry though, I put the whole lot back into the trolley and sort it out well away from other folk: On the whole I avoid times when all you industrious folk with 'working hours' are shopping anyway.
I also pack everything according to weight etc... from what you're saying, it sounds like you're not guilty of what I was whinging about though! It's all very well taking your time packing your stuff (a bit annoying it may be), but it's a whole kettle of fish to do it while blocking the path of someone who does want to pack their stuff while it's being scanned!
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I tell you that the robots a COOP are broken. All of them. Defined process??? I use "Passabene". I do not go and buy a trolley full of food, just maybe ten items.

The logical process would be:
- offer a bag at the entrance next to the computers
- I put my shopping into the bag
- I check out and pay

Reality is:
- there are little baskets next to the computers
- I put my shopping in the basket
- I can only grab a bag at the check out
- I repack everything after paying
- I leave the little basket not in front of the check out, but behind it where I repack...

Result:
- I need extra time to repack
- the employee needs extra time to collect the baskets again on the "wrong" place
- the concept of "you gain time because we do not scan stuff anymore" doesn't work out.

Whoever designed that process should be shot at dawn. It makes the entire idea of the computer pointless.
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Re: Packing in Supermarkets

This thread has thrown me into sort of an identity crisis. All my life (and that's quite a lot) I have believed that I'm chemically pure Swiss, brought up by Swiss parents in Switzerland. Now, all of sudden, I have to learn that my behavior at check-out counters is totally un-Swiss. Throughout this thread I'm told what "they do", "they" meaning THE Swiss. Since real Swiss obviously do that, I must be un-Swiss.

I cannot ask Mom where my real daddy came from and who he was. She's dead, and so is the guy who I thought was my father. Maybe my real dad is still alive, but I'll never know. Sad, very sad.

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It's not just the way they pack that annoys me but the length of time it takes the typical shopper here to choose something.

They stand staring at the shelves for about five minutes then carefully select an item and then spend the next ten minutes examining the packet and a further five in serious discussion regarding the packet with their hapless husband who nods knowingly.

And this isn't for some miracle product, it's just a bag of sugar or some basmati rice or something equally dull that they must have bought hundreds of time before.
I know what you mean. I'm one of those hapless husbands. And my OH, the one who takes apart every detail of every label down to molecular levels, is American, without the slightest trace of Swiss blood in her veins.

By the way, decades ago I had a theory as to why there are people who stand around during check-out, staring into space instead of packing their stuff. I thought they were American ex-pats or ditto tourists who were waiting for the bagger.

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Yeah, and it's made from turnips - it's not proper sugar
Beet sugar, just like cane sugar, is practically pure sucrose, a.k.a. saccharose or table sugar.
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Beet sugar, just like cane sugar, is practically pure sucrose, a.k.a. saccharose or table sugar.
No worries... after that reply I'm absolutely positively sure that you're chemically pure Swiss!

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This thread has thrown me into sort of an identity crisis. All my life (and that's quite a lot) I have believed that I'm chemically pure Swiss, brought up by Swiss parents in Switzerland. Now, all of sudden, I have to learn that my behavior at check-out counters is totally un-Swiss. Throughout this thread I'm told what "they do", "they" meaning THE Swiss. Since real Swiss obviously do that, I must be un-Swiss
To be fair, I never mentioned nationality. I suspect that some of them are ferriners.

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Yeah, and it's made from turnips - it's not proper sugar
Beet sugar, just like cane sugar, is practically pure sucrose, a.k.a. saccharose or table sugar.
See. You are Swiss
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Beet sugar, just like cane sugar, is practically pure sucrose, a.k.a. saccharose or table sugar.
You may be Swiss, you may even be an organic chemist by profession, but you're clearly no cook
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Re: Packing in Supermarkets

All this waiting for slow people to find their wallets at the cashier like they're surprised they have to pay and the packing issues mentioned above used to make me really jumpy and irritated.

But after almost 5 years here , I get most of my groceries delivered and only enter supermarkets when I have lots of time to enjoy the weirdness or want to practice my mindlefulness medititation techniques in the battlefield. I even pack really slowly as well now. It gives me more time to stare at people...

I can't make fun of cashiers as I worked as one in my youth. Sometimes it was thrilling as I actually got really good at calculations and figuring out the sales tax before the machine did (it's added after in Canada). I feel sorry for the modern-day cashiers, who rarely get to press any buttons or really work the machine. They just sit there, bored out of their minds. I guess all those beeps must hypnotise them into a catatonic state, along with all the people standing in line, come to think of it.
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Here's the secret -- go shopping at 6pm when all the 'proper Swiss' are at home eating their dinner -- no waiting!
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Re: Packing in Supermarkets

The packing stuff drives me absolutely nuts it really does. Maybe it's because I mostly have to shop with a 3 year old in tow which means that I am desperate to get out of the shopping-with-child-hell as fast as possible.

I always pack straight from the scanner. And forget bags, I have a collapsible plastic box which fits and fills the trolley. I kind of reverse-pack as I shop so that everything gets unpacked and then comes down the band in the right order. Then back in the plastic box and straight in the boot of my car as fast as is humanly possible.

In fact I was once so ed off with the person in front that I packed her stupid 5 bits of shopping for her just to get it out of my way. She was so shocked she didn't say a word just stood there open mouthed. Go on - try it - you know you want to
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I got my worst waiting in a line while someone is packing experience from an american in Marktkauf.

That guy didn't understand the concept of packing while scanning. And he was packing everything in a certain order that took him 15 minutes after the scanning was done. The lady was waiting for him to pay (which he didn't do until the very end, of course) and we were waiting in line for more than 20 minutes because of his packing.

I hope that guy got the hint I served him in english for his next grocery shopping experience... He must have been new in Europe and wasn't used to pack by himself.... I can't see other reasons and I am not sure I want to believe in something else!

I pack myself and am as picky as it sounds like that guy was... the first couple of times I went shopping on my own I got very stressed out and snippy toward the "impatient" people behind me.

However, it didn't take me long to figure out the best thing to do is to simply reload everything back to the basket or cart and take it elsewhere (out of the way) to pack.

Hubby learned to stay out of my way when packing bags though as I truly am quite picky about what order things go in, what goes with what, etc... For example, I really dislike having something that *must* stay dry (sugar, flour, cereal, etc) packed together with cold things which likely are to form a bit of condensation between store and home. Better for us both if he just lets me do it, he's less impatient with me and I'm less anal with him.
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Re: Packing in Supermarkets

It is my firm conviction that if the person working at the till has to push across the divider so that the person behind me in the queue uses the other half of the packing conveyer, then my shopping trip counts as a personal failure. The key is to make sure that you unload the trolley in the correct order for packing, so that your shopping comes off the scanner in the correct order to pack it. But then I also tend to place my cumulus card at the front of my shopping, so that I can avoid the whole conversation about whether I have one or not.
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Re: Packing in Supermarkets

I must be missing something in the process.

By the time I have taken everything out of the trolley and put it all on the conveyor belt, then pull my trolley through to the packing area and get a bag out ready to start packing, everything has already been scanned.
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I must be missing something in the process.

By the time I have taken everything out of the trolley and put it all on the conveyor belt, then pull my trolley through to the packing area and get a bag out ready to start packing, everything has already been scanned.
Maybe that's because all you buy is a frozen pizza, a yoghurt and a Snickers bar.
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Re: Packing in Supermarkets

I totally agree with most of what's been said. But, I'm curious to know if anyone else has witnessed something that I see quite a lot. Somebody will roll up to the checkout with a handful of items but then separate them in to two or three piles (each with their own divider) and pay for them individually and usually with different forms of payment.

The only explanation I can think of is that I am surrounded by good samaritans who are shopping for a bunch of elderly neighbours and making sure that they all have an individual receipt. Then I wake up and realise where I am and realise that it's probably something to do with tax deductible items versus normal household goods.

Weird.
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