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I started on the wine from day one

Ticino merlot ist sehr gut
But those from the "Bündner Herrschaft" or from Stein-am-Rhein or from the Pays Vaudois + Geneva are better or from the north of the Canton of Zurich as well
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Hum...as I was 1 step onto the zebra stripes today on the red 'dontwalk!' thinking I was in a hurry when a car came bombing around a corner.The older lady who decided to follow me,-yes,against the red light-literally-had to jump so quickly back onto the curb she lost her shoe and fell badly.Of course we helped her-thank god or budda or whomever-!!
I'm not going to do it again-frightened the dickens out of us.
careful where ya walk!!
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Re: help! I am becoming a bit Swiss

My daughter moved last week so after the movers had left I turned up to help her move her clothes ....(loads & loads & loads)

So I say - "Have you cleaned everything and hoovered?"

"Oh yes", she says

After a trip to inspect the bathroom and kitchen I found myself then driving to the supermarket , buying numerous cleaning products and then spending over 3 hours cleaning
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My daughter moved last week so after the movers had left I turned up to help her move her clothes ....(loads & loads & loads)

So I say - "Have you cleaned everything and hoovered?"

"Oh yes", she says

After a trip to inspect the bathroom and kitchen I found myself then driving to the supermarket , buying numerous cleaning products and then spending over 3 hours cleaning
Is your daughter living in the UK or in the Vaud
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I gave a 0.5chf tip the other day for an amazing evening meal. Should I be proud of this new-found Swissness?
not swiss, just stingy.
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"No sex, no drugs, no wine, no women
No fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark
Everyone around me is a total stranger
Everyone avoids me like a cyclone ranger
That's why I'm turning Swiss
I think I'm turning Swiss
I really think so
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. As long as you didn't start drinking the wine yet, there may still be hope.
Now what's wrong with that?
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Old 17.02.2011, 11:23
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I gave a 0.5chf tip the other day for an amazing evening meal. Should I be proud of this new-found Swissness?
Nooooo! That 50rp is then divided between the entire wait staff and sometimes the owner as well. The swiss tip, they really do. Average tip for a cup of coffee: 40rp.
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Nooooo! That 50rp is then divided between the entire wait staff and sometimes the owner as well. The swiss tip, they really do. Average tip for a cup of coffee: 40rp.
5rp each, not bad by Swiss standards.

I know a Swiss colleague who once rounded a bill up to the nearest chuffy. I think he thought he was in America or something, such extravagance.
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Re: help! I am becoming a bit Swiss

Does this mean it's not enough to give 15% or 20% of your bill as a tip---you have to multiply THAT by the number of servers and workers in a Swiss restaurant?
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Does this mean it's not enough to give 15% or 20% of your bill as a tip---you have to multiply THAT by the number of servers and workers in a Swiss restaurant?
if your question was serious......

first: youd don't "have to" give a tip, because theoratically, tips are inculded ("service inbegriffen").

but: if you were pleased with service and food/drinks, it is usual to give a tip.

subjective examples from a swiss guy:

#1: drinking an espresso or two in a cafe and take a gipfeli with it, the staff is only friendly as absolute necessary. -> my max. tip = bill rounded up to the next full CHF.

#2: dining in a good restaurant, three or four course à la carte with wine. friendly staff, food is nice. -> my tip = 8-15%, min. CHF 9.-, max. CHF 20.- per person & thanking for the nice evening and their friendly service.

#3: dining in a "good" restaurant, three or four course à la carte with wine. unfriendly snobby staff. -> my tip (from #2) will be reduced by about 50%. never visiting them again.

#4: dining in a good restaurant, three or four course à la carte with wine. friendly staff, food is nice, but they are unlucky as several minor errors occur during the evening, which they solve in an uncomplicated way. -> no need to cut the tip in any way. where people work there will be errors involved. the important thing for me is, how they deal with such situations.

#5: pop into burgerking (or other fast food restaurant), friendly and helpfull staff: -> why not give them also a tip from time to time? first they will be a little bit confused, because they are not used to it. but hey - their job is not overpaid i think.

(my) conclusions:
- do not give a tip in switzerland, just because you think you have to.
- think of "service already included" if the waiters are rude and unfriendly.
- don't be stingy if you had a good time and helpful staff around you. give them the extra tip you saved at the snobby one.
- friendly service and a smile costs them nothing. but has a big impact on the customer.
- if you liked the food and/or service, then say it. not only by money.
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Old 19.02.2011, 05:10
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Nooooo! That 50rp is then divided between the entire wait staff and sometimes the owner as well. The swiss tip, they really do. Average tip for a cup of coffee: 40rp.
Average tip for a cup of coffee is CHF 0.02, as most people keep the general rule that service is included, and if a tip is given it is rather by rounding up CHF 3.90 to CHF 4.--, for example when the customer sees the tram or bus approaching.
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Does this mean it's not enough to give 15% or 20% of your bill as a tip---you have to multiply THAT by the number of servers and workers in a Swiss restaurant?
In the old days you had to calculate 12,5%, but then it was included and now is 0% . If you, in a relatively expensive restaurant had a really good meal and a splendid service, you DO add CHF 5.-- as sign of your appreciation, but usually there is no tip, also not after a full meal. Is IS included and this is a rule. I however know two chaps who always give lavish tips, and as a consequence, the nice girl is always around and ready for help "Oh I think ..... has fallen down here" and "do you need ..... here ? " or "another one ? "

Again, generally you give nothing as a tip because the tip is already INCLUDED in the bill.
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Average tip for a cup of coffee is CHF 0.02, as most people keep the general rule that service is included, and if a tip is given it is rather by rounding up CHF 3.90 to CHF 4.--, for example when the customer sees the tram or bus approaching.
in a few years time, a cup of coffee in zurich city will be more expensive than take a plane to milan an drink it there.....

fancy an overpriced espresso, including a waiter who needs in minimum 10 minutes to realize you are waiting, gives you the feeling you first have to pay for a friendly "hello" and lets you wait for another 10 to 15 minutes after asking for the bill (while chatting to his collegues)? welcome to zurich city!

don't get me wrong, i am native zurich. born and raised in the town of zurich. i love my hometown - but sometimes, zurich really su**s.
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Re: help! I am becoming a bit Swiss

Yeah, that's one thing that both annoys and surprises me in Zürich bars - you can be waiting ages to be served, even when you're at the bar itself. Do they not want to make money by selling drinks?
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Average tip for a cup of coffee is CHF 0.02, as most people keep the general rule that service is included, and if a tip is given it is rather by rounding up CHF 3.90 to CHF 4.--, for example when the customer sees the tram or bus approaching.

I agree that most round up. That's why a coffee/espresso costs 4,20 CHF and most guests say to make it 4,50 or 5 CHF. Even at a table of four, where each pays separately, The total tip usually winds up between 1 and 3 CHF. Just finished a shift yesterday, and in the whole day, I had three guests (out of hundreds) not tip for their coffees. Two were foreigners, one swiss.

When I worked at a fine dining restaurant, every single table tipped. Average was 5 - 10 CHF per check but did not increase exponentially with a higher check.

The only exceptions I've seen were:
1- When the boss publicly and viciously berated another server in front of all the guests, making her cry, then told her she had to continue working because she's under contract and wasn't allowed to either quit or go home early, or even take a minute to wash her face. So the girl finished her shift with red puffy eyes and cheeks. The guests each tipped her 10 to 20 CHF per check out of pity. It added up quickly but the boss took her cut of it too.

2- When there were banquet dinners, the tip was included in the rechnung, but the host or otherwise the guest of honor would tip the lot of us- usually 100 CHF or more on top of the bill.
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The only exceptions I've seen were:
1- When the boss publicly and viciously berated another server in front of all the guests, making her cry, then told her she had to continue working because she's under contract and wasn't allowed to either quit or go home early, or even take a minute to wash her face. So the girl finished her shift with red puffy eyes and cheeks. The guests each tipped her 10 to 20 CHF per check out of pity. It added up quickly but the boss took her cut of it too.
I find that dirty - both the public abuse and taking a cut of the tips given specifically to that girl.

I've had a few friends work in restaurants, and there seemed to be two systems though: either each waiter/waitress kept their own tips, or there was a common 'pool' that was split evenly with all staff at the end of the shift. Which of these methods (or a third?) have you found most common?
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in a few years time, a cup of coffee in zurich city will be more expensive than take a plane to milan an drink it there.....

fancy an overpriced espresso, including a waiter who needs in minimum 10 minutes to realize you are waiting, gives you the feeling you first have to pay for a friendly "hello" and lets you wait for another 10 to 15 minutes after asking for the bill (while chatting to his collegues)? welcome to zurich city!

don't get me wrong, i am native zurich. born and raised in the town of zurich. i love my hometown - but sometimes, zurich really su**s.
I too despise rude service. That's why I am sure to be quick and polite/friendly when I work. Guests usually seem pleasantly surprised and often say so. The only thing I've ever found to help fight the rude service found in many Swiss restaurants is when I ask the server's name. Then when they return to the table with my food etc, I thank them by name. It creates a HUGE change in attitude in almost everyone I've tried it on.
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I've had a few friends work in restaurants, and there seemed to be two systems though: either each waiter/waitress kept their own tips, or there was a common 'pool' that was split evenly with all staff at the end of the shift. Which of these methods (or a third?) have you found most common?
I've worked in both systems, and the more common and effective in Switzerland is the shared tip pool money. Now from there, every place has its own system. First is tips counted by the servers and divided at the end of the day, and the servers who have already left get their cut when they come in next shift. Second is tips counted by closing manager and accumulated on a list, and paid out to everyone at the end of the week, month, etc. (Personally, not my favorite for various reasons ). Third is the method where tips are pulled and divided based on when the additional servers come/leave from their shift. This is what we do at the bakery and it's great. Opener comes in and works two hours alone, then takes all tips from the till. Second server comes in and works together for another two hours, tips halved. Third comes in for lunch, start again with empty tip till, and divide by three until first person goes home. And so on. This in my opinion is fairest and equitable for everyone. And no, our boss never asks for a portion of our tips. He also doesn't ask us to pay for our coffees or beverages while working. As such, we have a great respect for both him and the restaurant and work accordingly.
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Re: help! I am becoming a bit Swiss

You are becoming too Swiss is when you go home, in my case Scotland, with a case full of sauccison vaudois, fondue, raclette, gratin dauphinois from the migros and chocolate. And garlic salt. Vacherin etc. And scented candles.

On the other hand, coming back here, the suitcase is full of the usual suspects. Including brown sugar.
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