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Re: Victorinox Swiss Army Watches...any advice on Swiss watches

most important: for "swiss made" on watches, the movement has to be produced in switzerland.

2nd: in addition, at least 80% (in terms of value) of the whole product must have been done in switzerland.

be aware of labellings like "swiss design" or "swiss army". this only sounds good but says nothing about quality or where it was produced.

generally, "swiss design" means: design was made in switzerland, product was made in a country that was cheapest for this job.
"swiss army" means: it looks like, as if it could be used in swiss army.
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Re: Victorinox Swiss Army Watches...any advice on Swiss watches

somebody bought me a victorinox swiss army watch about 7 years ago, price approx 600 CHF. it was quartz movement, chronograph model. the big second hand broke and stopped moving after a year and a half. it's probably just an isolated incident but my opinion of these watches has not been very high since then.
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Re: Victorinox Swiss Army Watches...any advice on Swiss watches

I'm not very conviced about the quality of some Swiss watches. Back in the US, I had a Citizen and it was a Titanium watch that worked with solar power....clearly the best watch I've ever had in terms of quality and durability.
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I'm not very conviced about the quality of some Swiss watches. Back in the US, I had a Citizen and it was a Titanium watch that worked with solar power....clearly the best watch I've ever had in terms of quality and durability.
it's no coincidence either. japanese watches are known for their reliability and accuracy, with reasonable prices. i prefer swiss watches for other reasons, but they are definitely not better than japanese watches for purely timekeeping purposes.
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I'd like to get myself a proper ladies watch. I want something elegant, classic and sporty--a proper grown up watch.

I've set on this particular model from Victorinox Swiss Army after shopping around. I don't want to climb K2 or hang with 50Cent.

I'm wondering now what it means to have a Swiss watch. I assume the Swiss-ness is purely just the mechanism and the other aspects of the watch could be forged, made, painted and polished in any old country.

Is that right? A 'Swiss watch' is just the innerds?

Check out BAUME & MERCIER website.

There are very fine watches for women !!!
The price is not too expensive and you get a haute-horlogerie watch.

http://www.baume-et-mercier.com/
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There must be a reason why you want a SWISS watch, right?

Here's your practical guide to social leveling ;-)

Looks like a nice piramid

Where would this one fit?

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most important: for "swiss made" on watches, the movement has to be produced in switzerland.

2nd: in addition, at least 80% (in terms of value) of the whole product must have been done in switzerland.
Any source for the two claims? I have heard opposite:
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To qualify as "Swiss Made" under Swiss law (OSM, enacted 28 August 1992), a watch must contain 50% by value Swiss made components, the movement must be fitted into the case in Switzerland and final inspection must be completed in Switzerland.
http://reviews.ebay.com/How-Swiss-is...00000001042431 (Yes, I know it is not the most reliable source either... so that's why I asked if anyone really knows the law)

The definition in my quote is as vague as it gets. The German premium toy company "Steiff" tried to produce in China. They got complete teddy bears from there, added a bow around the neck and put the trademark button in the ear in Germany - as this was the vast majority of the value creation, they could label them "made in Germany". (BTW did they stop this by now as they were not happy with the quality of the supplied bears...)

So when it comes to value creation, the label "Swiss made" vs. "Made in China" alone is worth easily half of the price of the watch... half the pieces by value? I guess that is pretty easy - just ship a lot of Swiss made pieces to China, they do the expensive work to assemble the movement, bring the movements back to Switzerland and drop them here in a Chinese made housing...
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Re: Victorinox Swiss Army Watches...any advice on Swiss watches

If you can afford it get a Rolex, super quality.
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If you can afford it get a Rolex, super quality.
hmmm not really read the op's post have you? a victorinox watch isn't exactly in the same price bracket as even the cheapest rolex.
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There must be a reason why you want a SWISS watch, right?

Here's your practical guide to social leveling ;-)

Oh ... I love this.. I have loads of 'antique' watches and pretty much agree with the hierarchy...

Generally.. besides the obvious qualities of timekeeping, design, reliability etc. the only 2 thinks that distinguish a watch (and it's price) are
  • how many of that model were made ?
  • how much of the works were designed / manufactured / assembled by the watch company ?

Hence PP make relatively few watches and generally they're all 'in house built' so they're at the top... Rolex (except for their Tudor range) make most of their watches themselves.. but make a lot (how many is a closely guarded secret)... Most brands buy in works from ETA (owned by swatch).. and then do more or less customisation... and at that point it all comes down to if you think it's worth shelling out for a watch that an actor put on his wrist..
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If you can afford it get a Rolex, super quality.
Super quality does not come along with a nice design...
Go for a Panerai then ! Or an IWC !!!
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Oh ... I love this.. I have loads of 'antique' watches and pretty much agree with the hierarchy...
I don't. Brands change and brand value is something very hard to measure... some thoughts:

- Zenith used to be "upper mid-price", they only posittion themselves so high for maybe a decade. Given their used prices and the amount of discounts I see, I do not really think they are considered by most watch buyers to be where they want to be.
- Rolex is very popular, but they are neither in quality nor in price range near a Patek or Lange. Their movements are nowhere near a "Manufakturwerk" of the top brands - if they produce a six digit number a year, they simply cannot be...
- thanks to large investments in manufacturing and marketing did other brands like Glashütte Original or Panerai improve a lot over the last decade. Putting Panerais two levels under Rolex is rubbish - the people who buy the average submariner are exactly the same that buy Panerais... for the same money getting a very similar product.
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Re: Victorinox Swiss Army Watches...any advice on Swiss watches

I went watch shopping last weekend, oddly enough.

Went through several stores around bahnhofstrasse to see what would fit.

my original goal when I started thinking about a watch was...



at 8k a piece I said no way...

So I went down to Tag Heuer level....



at around 5k, I am still very unconvinced.

What the heck... let's go Hamilton. ( They were US Brand, now swiss)




about 1.2k (maybe not this model, I went through so many I can't remember)

At the end I could not bare myself to buy a watch for THAT amount of money. Like it didn't really justify it.

I'll keep getting my time from:



My true advise would be to try the watch, cause the size and how it hangs on your wrist will definitely make you change your mind about what you saw on the internet.
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You see, back in 1966, my Godfather in Geneva went to a reputed watches shop and told the gent there that he, for a boy of 16, needed a very solid, but not very expensive watch, likely to last for eternity, which would survive some lack of carefulness , travelling, skiing, being on the beaches of the Med, everything. The expert considered and then recommended a Certina Blue Ribbon in a simple classic design. It is the one I am still wearing now
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Re: Victorinox Swiss Army Watches...any advice on Swiss watches

I'm actually really bored of seeing Rolex watches around people's wrists, everyone wants one because of the name and what people will think of them when they see one.

I personally prefer Rado watches for their simple design, elegant looks and understatement. Although the Rado watches are not cheap (by far) but they are very unique and don't look like all the others in their price range.

I was never into watches AT ALL, because to be honest I couldn't care less. I never really needed or wanted one either. But I fell in love with my Rado watch when I first discovered there's some watchmakers who are actually thinking a bit about design... instead of copying each other all the time. What I'm trying to say, it's about YOUR taste. Don't buy a watch because you need to make a statement to others............
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My true advise would be to try the watch, cause the size and how it hangs on your wrist will definitely make you change your mind about what you saw on the internet.
My advice would be: You can find very nice IWC Ingenieur for a fraction of the list price... they made an edition for AMG Mercedes which looks fairly nice and resells less than half of the new price you were looking at in as-new conditions.

just check ebay or chrono24.com

I liked it, but it found it too big for myself.
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I liked it, but it found it too big for myself.
That's what she said.....

No seriously, thanks for the advise.
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Re: Victorinox Swiss Army Watches...any advice on Swiss watches

Keep buying expensive watches. I don't wear one (haven't done for many years) but it's good to be flashed a decent piece of jewelry when I ask passers by for the time.
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I went watch shopping last weekend, oddly enough.

Went through several stores around bahnhofstrasse to see what would fit.

my original goal when I started thinking about a watch was...



Haven't you looked for a "ROMAIN JEROME" ???

Watches made out of some parts of Titanic, moon dust (sold by the NASA), or even Volcano dust.

I do love the design and the concept but do not really appreciate the price though
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I'd like to get myself a proper ladies watch. I want something elegant, classic and sporty--a proper grown up watch.

I've set on this particular model from Victorinox Swiss Army after shopping around. I don't want to climb K2 or hang with 50Cent.

I'm wondering now what it means to have a Swiss watch. I assume the Swiss-ness is purely just the mechanism and the other aspects of the watch could be forged, made, painted and polished in any old country.

Is that right? A 'Swiss watch' is just the innerds?
Right, if you don't own at least one Swiss watch, they won't even deem you as a swiss like lady. It's the sign you're here, and are keen to become one of them.
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