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That's nothing to do with the law and everything to do with children unable to judge road traffic.
If a driver does not stop when a small child is standing on the pavement at a pedestrian crossing ...... you think he/she is going to stop for an adult?

When I did my driver conversion here, even people walking close to the outer edge of the pavement was cause to slow down/move auto further away from pavement edge.

So, why is ...whatever .... nothing to do with the law..? You lost me there. .. and confusing the issue here... or at least I am confused now ... and time to go pour a whisky anyway .....
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Old 24.02.2011, 19:31
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If a driver does not stop when a small child is standing on the pavement at a pedestrian crossing ...... you think he/she is going to stop for an adult?
The point is, it's useless to point out the letter of the law if your lying under a 4x4 (or whatever other kind of vehicle). So it's a pre-emptive approach. Young children ought to stop and check left and right, IF a car is approaching, they must make sure that the vehicle stops completely before crossing the road.

But yes, the law says that drivers must stop.
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Old 24.02.2011, 20:12
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If a driver does not stop when a small child is standing on the pavement at a pedestrian crossing ...... you think he/she is going to stop for an adult?

When I did my driver conversion here, even people walking close to the outer edge of the pavement was cause to slow down/move auto further away from pavement edge.

So, why is ...whatever .... nothing to do with the law..? You lost me there. .. and confusing the issue here... or at least I am confused now ... and time to go pour a whisky anyway .....
The point I was making is that children are taught - by the police - to wait until the car is completely stopped before crossing the road, as children cannot judge distance, movement or speed as well as an adult.

The policeman is going to repeat that advice. But it doesn't necessarily apply to adults who have greater powers of reasoning.

Me, I cross if I have made eye contact with the driver and s/he has aknowledged my presence and started to slow down and I judge that he will stop in time. A child cannot make that judgement call.
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Old 24.02.2011, 20:19
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The point I was making is that children are taught - by the police - to wait until the car is completely stopped before crossing the road, as children cannot judge distance, movement or speed as well as an adult.

The policeman is going to repeat that advice. But it doesn't necessarily apply to adults who have greater powers of reasoning.

Me, I cross if I have made eye contact with the driver and s/he has aknowledged my presence and started to slow down and I judge that he will stop in time. A child cannot make that judgement call.
Oh yes, I totally agree with you. I left out the eye-contact/acknowledgement stuff..... goes without saying, in the context of an adult pedestrian.

But I still enjoy to wave them on......... to save them stopping.
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Old 24.02.2011, 20:31
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Apparently, in Switzerland, you don't need to stop at a pedestrian crossing if you're driving a 4X4 SUV.

(That's my observation anyway).
Especially if the driver is a woman (and, yes, I am one ... a woman that is, not the driver of one of those!)
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Old 24.02.2011, 20:34
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But yes, the law says that drivers must stop.
The law also says that it is illegal to "take the right of way" from another person or vehicle. So if you are run over because you step in front of a motor car whilst crossing in the pedestrian crossing you are also guilty of breaking the law.
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Old 24.02.2011, 23:22
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Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

The law says that no matters where the pedestrian is on the street (zebra or not) the cars must stop. If pedestrian is out of the zebra can be fined.... I would say that 90% stops at zebra crossing and only 10% are trying to be "smarts"
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Old 24.02.2011, 23:31
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I was crossing the road near the office, on the cross. As I approached the crossing, one car accelerated, but that was no problem, as I would have gone behind it anyway. The next car didn't stop - so I frowned and looked angrily at the driver... who suddenly stopped, and the driver, a sweet old lady, wound down her window and apologised most profusely.

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Old 24.02.2011, 23:35
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That what happen when people are too lazy to clean up the snow on the roof of their car. This is very dangerous to drive like this!
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Old 24.02.2011, 23:40
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My first visit to Switzerland I had problems with the pedestrian crossings ......I would stand on the pavement, and an approaching car would stop 50m away.....the driver signaling me to cross.

Asking about this weird phenomonon I was told they HAVE to stop, and I had the right of way.

But ..... 6 years down the line .....and changing times...... I learned to take the advice of the policeman who trains the kindergarten kids ..... wait for the car to actually stop first!

Drivers, some of them, seem to look annoyed at having to stop, or try to ignore me waiting for them .... so I now signal them, with a big sweeping wave, to "carry on", and I cross when the road is clear.
It is annoying
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Old 24.02.2011, 23:45
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<groans>

You are just sooooooo naive.

Cars break the law.

Bikes are a law unto themselves.

HTH
I think you'll find it's the drivers of said vehicles that break the law and not the vehicles themselves.

But, to appease you, I'm going to keep score and see whether it really is the yummy-mummies in their Chelsea tractors who stop less than others at pedestrian crossings or whether that's just my false perception.

HTH
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I couldn't see the look on the face of the driver who stopped to let me cross the main road near here once last winter. As he/she stopped all the snow on the roof shot down and covered the windscreen.
That driver should be (have been) grateful to you. Had a policeman seen that load of snow on her roof, the fine would have been between CHF 50.-- and CHF 150.--

A) Führen eines Fahrzeugs in nicht fahrtüchtigem Zustand
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After returning to Switzerland from Italy I almost got knocked over at the metalli traffic light - I was doing it the Italian way..
I remember that I once from holidays in Egypt returned via Larnaca, hired a car there and on the way to downtown almost bumped in the rear of the cars in front of me. Why ? Because those Cypriots have the European habit of stopping at stop signals and at red lights
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I remember that I once from holidays in Egypt returned via Larnaca, hired a car there and on the way to downtown almost bumped in the rear of the cars in front of me. Why ? Because those Cypriots have the European habit of stopping at stop signals and at red lights
How dare we! We should be like the Italians. There, you look left and right, pray and cross
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Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Going by the observations narrated about Basel/Zurich drivers, my experience in Geneva has so far been good. Drivers generally stop for pedestrians waiting to cross.

Of course, a few of them try an old trick - slowing down a bit, without coming to a complete stop, thus keeping their options open and testing whether you are really in a hurry to cross! But, eye contact with the driver and a firm 'stop' sign with a raised hand usually works.
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What irritates me is that some people dont even look whilst crossing just expecting you to stop. Once a group of kids with a teacher present did the same. Not a good thing to teach kids. In the UK kids are taught to look left and right when using a crossing. Also why so many crossing especially at roundabouts?
What you write about what Children were taught was the case here until some years ago the law was totally changed, giving a total right of way to pedestrians on zebra crossings, dropping the obligation for pedestrians to show their will to cross and dropping the obligation for pedestrians to look at the car-traffic. They were puzzled on Swiss TV recently when it became known that, while the traffic-fatalities had dropped markedly overall, the fatalities among pedestrians had risen. Now of course, THE solution presented by an "expert" was "we have to reduce the speed limits"
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Old 25.02.2011, 00:39
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What you write about what Children were taught was the case here until some years ago the law was totally changed, giving a total right of way to pedestrians on zebra crossings, dropping the obligation for pedestrians to show their will to cross and dropping the obligation for pedestrians to look at the car-traffic. They were puzzled on Swiss TV recently when it became known that, while the traffic-fatalities had dropped markedly overall, the fatalities among pedestrians had risen. Now of course, THE solution presented by an "expert" was "we have to reduce the speed limits"

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What you write about what Children were taught was the case here until some years ago the law was totally changed, giving a total right of way to pedestrians on zebra crossings, dropping the obligation for pedestrians to show their will to cross and dropping the obligation for pedestrians to look at the car-traffic. They were puzzled on Swiss TV recently when it became known that, while the traffic-fatalities had dropped markedly overall, the fatalities among pedestrians had risen. Now of course, THE solution presented by an "expert" was "we have to reduce the speed limits"
Apparently in our neighbourhood the speed limit has been reduced to 30 km/h, but pedestrians are now free to cross wherever they want Of course the ridiculous placing of some zebra crossings, meaning that the car is probably on top of the pedestrian before even realizing it doesn't help. Who expects to turn a corner and come upon a zebra crossing
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Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Xmas time I was coming out the restaurant and had argument with my wife about sthg not watching in front of me. Didn't see it coming - placed foot on the ground and the car run over it while bruising my other hand which was holding an umbrella. The driver stopped meters away and only showed me the thumb up making sure I'm ok and he quickly drove away. Other car which witnessed the whole incident stopped, registered the plate of the wrongdoer and asked me if I needed it. Luckily my foot and palm was mildly battered and decided not to take legal action against. It was in Italy.

Here everyone stops for you most of the time but I wouldn't chance it anywhere else in the world.
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Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

I find swiss people quite good at stopping for pedestrians but maybe I have just gotten used to it. When I first arrived here I almost got run over a couple of times. The worst case was at Bahnhof Enge where there are several crossings after one another. I was on the second one and a driver with far too many horsepowers just gunned it when he cleared the first one without noticing me on the second one. That time I was lucky since his brakes was as good as his engine but what was most disturbing was that just a couple of months later I saw a truck with a white sheet in front of it under which I assume there was a human at the very same pedestrian crossing.
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