Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 25.02.2011, 09:19
MacGregor's Daughter's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Zug
Posts: 3,169
Groaned at 31 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 3,563 Times in 1,463 Posts
MacGregor's Daughter has a reputation beyond reputeMacGregor's Daughter has a reputation beyond reputeMacGregor's Daughter has a reputation beyond reputeMacGregor's Daughter has a reputation beyond reputeMacGregor's Daughter has a reputation beyond reputeMacGregor's Daughter has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
look left and right[/I] when using a crossing.
Wasn't that look right and left?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank MacGregor's Daughter for this useful post:
  #42  
Old 25.02.2011, 09:25
mirfield's Avatar
Moddy Wellies
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 8,729
Groaned at 53 Times in 47 Posts
Thanked 9,942 Times in 3,654 Posts
mirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
Wasn't that look right and left?
Nearly.

Look right, look left, and look right again.




Though, tbh, I never looked right...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank mirfield for this useful post:
  #43  
Old 25.02.2011, 10:54
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,356
Groaned at 428 Times in 333 Posts
Thanked 16,045 Times in 6,322 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

I never ever trust somebody else's skills to drive nor to see me well. I always make sure that the person is actually stopping to let me cross. I saw too often people driving past someone coming to cross the zebra.

And I really don't get why so many people don't even look when crossing, assuming the driver will stop.... Do they think they have 9 lives?
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 25.02.2011, 11:58
Glendyn's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: ZH. Horgen area
Posts: 774
Groaned at 10 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 933 Times in 385 Posts
Glendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
That driver should be (have been) grateful to you. Had a policeman seen that load of snow on her roof, the fine would have been between CHF 50.-- and CHF 150.--

A) Führen eines Fahrzeugs in nicht fahrtüchtigem Zustand
B) Gefährdung der Verkehrs-Sicherheit
C) Grobfahrlässigkeit im Strassenverkehr

Are you saying it's illegal to drive with snow on the roof?
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 25.02.2011, 12:00
Longbyt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,103
Groaned at 57 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 12,980 Times in 4,732 Posts
Longbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Almost certainly comes under B above - if the snow flew off backwards, instead of, as in this case, forwards after stopping, it might land on the windscreen of the chap behind!
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 25.02.2011, 12:09
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,356
Groaned at 428 Times in 333 Posts
Thanked 16,045 Times in 6,322 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
Are you saying it's illegal to drive with snow on the roof?
I hope so!
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 25.02.2011, 12:14
Glendyn's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: ZH. Horgen area
Posts: 774
Groaned at 10 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 933 Times in 385 Posts
Glendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
The worst case was at Bahnhof Enge where there are several crossings after one another.
This to me is part of the problem here, compared to UK.
Too many close to one another
Poorly placed (visibility)
Poorly marked
Poorly illuminated

In UK there are fewer (so you pay more attention when you see one), orange beacons, sometimes spotlights highlighting the pedestrians, ZIG ZAG lines on the approach.

Sometimes here they are so close to a junction taht after you have decided to cross the traffic to turn left and before you have crossed the crossing in the sideroad a pedestrian steps out. You have to decide whether you drive on and compromise someones rights or stop and risk being clobbered in the rear end sticking out on the main road. Justr a few more metres would make a big difference.

At night here with the yellow light and yellow stripes they are sometimes very difficult to notice especially if it's wet and the road is then all shiney yellow.
__________________
For sale: Baby Equipment & Tissot Swiss Watch
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 25.02.2011, 12:20
Longbyt's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,103
Groaned at 57 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 12,980 Times in 4,732 Posts
Longbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond reputeLongbyt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

But if you, like me, were a pedestrian, you'd be fed up to the teeth when hurrying to the station, to have to make detours to the pedestrian crossings and back again at every side junction - especially at the roundabouts where I do an extra 25 metres.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 25.02.2011, 12:38
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,653
Groaned at 279 Times in 230 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Surely part of your basic driving skills when driving in a city is observation. And part of that includes looking out for pedestrian crossings and people waiting/looking/likely to cross.

Snow on a roof - if you police stop you will be fined.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #50  
Old 25.02.2011, 12:53
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,864
Groaned at 125 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 6,609 Times in 3,658 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

That reminds me of one time when I was driving after 22h00 in rural area there was a group of tipsy teenage girls crossing the road in random place. The more chicky one went first in front of the car in front of me, then I slowed down not being sure who is gonna cross next. One must be super alert all the time!
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 25.02.2011, 13:09
SemAms's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: im Ausland
Posts: 305
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 415 Times in 228 Posts
SemAms has an excellent reputationSemAms has an excellent reputationSemAms has an excellent reputationSemAms has an excellent reputation
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

I come from a country where traffic regulations are usually not followed regularly. So one grows up knowing that red light does not mean cars will stop right away or trucks/busses/4x4s/old cars usually have the priority over smaller cars no matter what the regulation says. This messy environment teaches one to be wary of each other in the traffic.

So back to Switzerland/UK/Netherlands..
As a pedestrian I always try to make eye contact with the driver, to guarantee he/she will stop or at least see what sort of driver he/she is or what he/she is doing. So, young drivers/nervous types/old people/people on the phone I will rather not trust.
And I agree with previous poster, that UK is a safer place for zebra crossings.

As a driver, I occasionally do not follow the priority rules when I notice the car following me driving fast. Couple years ago, I stopped before a zebra crossing (in Amsterdam) and the van following me crashed full speed at me. Luckily -despite my car was full with people-damage was limited to the car
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 25.02.2011, 13:57
Glendyn's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: ZH. Horgen area
Posts: 774
Groaned at 10 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 933 Times in 385 Posts
Glendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond reputeGlendyn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
Surely part of your basic driving skills when driving in a city is observation. And part of that includes looking out for pedestrian crossings and people waiting/looking/likely to cross.
Of course it is, but designing for safety takes account of the fact that the world isn't perfect and people are human and make mistakes. My point was that a few improvements would likely pay dividends in less people being injured or killed. It was not that we should design for people not looking or taking care.
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 25.02.2011, 18:49
Capacitrix's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luzern Agglo
Posts: 442
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 205 Times in 133 Posts
Capacitrix is considered knowledgeableCapacitrix is considered knowledgeableCapacitrix is considered knowledgeable
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
Surely part of your basic driving skills when driving in a city is observation. And part of that includes looking out for pedestrian crossings and people waiting/looking/likely to cross.
I drive past a brightly lit bus stop. Unfortunately, just out of the brightly lit area, there is a crosswalk which has no lighting of its own. I really wonder about the traffic safety people who made such a decision.

I know it's there, so I slow down accordingly. Wish the drivers would do the same when its me getting off the bus.
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 25.02.2011, 19:19
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 74
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 101 Times in 39 Posts
Chuchichaeschtli has made some interesting contributions
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

i only stop, when all four wheel arches are full with pedestrians (impairng acceleration) or the car is out of fuel.

Last edited by vwild1; 26.02.2011 at 00:42.
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 25.02.2011, 22:43
puffin's Avatar
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Near Byron's Lake
Posts: 8
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
puffin has no particular reputation at present
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
The law also says that it is illegal to "take the right of way" from another person or vehicle. So if you are run over because you step in front of a motor car whilst crossing in the pedestrian crossing you are also guilty of breaking the law.
On dear, this is so confusing especially to a newcomer to the country! When I first arrived, I was pleasantly surprised when cars stopped at the pedesterian crossing. But, so far during the weekday rush hour, I have observed how drivers are oh-so-reluctant to pause. Then, there's the dilemma of whether or not to take the risk and cross!
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 26.02.2011, 17:56
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 18,978
Groaned at 332 Times in 257 Posts
Thanked 11,715 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
I never ever trust somebody else's skills to drive nor to see me well. I always make sure that the person is actually stopping to let me cross. I saw too often people driving past someone coming to cross the zebra.

And I really don't get why so many people don't even look when crossing, assuming the driver will stop.... Do they think they have 9 lives?
A very simple contribution, not easy in winter but very easy in summer, do NOT wear black clothes but bright and shiny clothes, making you visible. Bright coloured gym-shoes may not exactly be the ones for mountain climbings but in rural areas are miles better than black shoes !
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 26.02.2011, 18:11
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
Are you saying it's illegal to drive with snow on the roof?
Yes it is - for obvious reasons. Also illegal to drive without clearing the whole windscreen, rear and side windows of frost.

From Tribune de Genève:

Anne-Elisabeth Celton | 03.12.2010 | 11:30

Il est 8 heures du matin, vous êtes en retard et votre voiture croule sous la neige? Un conseil, armez-vous d'un balai, d'une raclette ou encore des deux à la fois et consacrez quelques minutes à libérer votre véhicule. Sous peine d'être dans l'illégalité!
En effet, ne pas déneiger sa voiture peut valoir une contravention allant de l'avertissement... au retrait de permis pour mise en danger. Tout conducteur qui n'a pas enlevé la glace des parties vitrées, des phares ou des rétroviseurs peut être contrôlé par les forces de l'ordre. "Le dégivrage est une obligation: certains ne grattent qu'un petit hublot devant eux sur le pare-brise! Ils n'ont aucune visibilité" explique Philippe Cosandey, porte-parole de la police genevoise.
Ainis les patrouilles genevoises portent ces jours-ci un oeil attentionné à ces voitures givrées. Les agents n'hésitent pas établir un constat, avec possibilité de photos à l'appui, qu'ils transfèrent au service des contraventions. C'est ce dernier qui fixera le montant de la sanction.
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 26.02.2011, 18:11
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 18,978
Groaned at 332 Times in 257 Posts
Thanked 11,715 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
If a driver does not stop when a small child is standing on the pavement at a pedestrian crossing ...... you think he/she is going to stop for an adult?

When I did my driver conversion here, even people walking close to the outer edge of the pavement was cause to slow down/move auto further away from pavement edge.

So, why is ...whatever .... nothing to do with the law..? You lost me there. .. and confusing the issue here... or at least I am confused now ... and time to go pour a whisky anyway .....
in defence of the "accused" driver it has to be said that children ball-playing along busy roads are an aspect difficult to take into account. I will remember the days until the end of my days, when my best schoolfriend in the second year got under the wheels of a truck. He had been ball-playing and ran for the ball, directly under the wheels of the approaching truck. Up in school, our teacheress had in the meantime started the first lesson until Elisabeth, the friend of Rico Turconi, burst into the school-room, all over in tears towards the teacheress to tell her..... I after having started to drive often turned my car to guard some a bit "brainless" schoolchildren against the street-traffic. I at a common meal with a school-friend, his wife and his son on Malta explained my problem to her and then she suddenly replied "but this is what M... does all the time, but he never explained". He admitted never to have had the courage to do so as when he thought about it tears came down.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 26.02.2011, 20:10
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 847
Groaned at 27 Times in 19 Posts
Thanked 1,044 Times in 364 Posts
Panther has a reputation beyond reputePanther has a reputation beyond reputePanther has a reputation beyond reputePanther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Quote:
View Post
in defence of the "accused" driver it has to be said that children ball-playing along busy roads are an aspect difficult to take into account. I will remember the days until the end of my days, when my best schoolfriend in the second year got under the wheels of a truck. He had been ball-playing and ran for the ball, directly under the wheels of the approaching truck. Up in school, our teacheress had in the meantime started the first lesson until Elisabeth, the friend of Rico Turconi, burst into the school-room, all over in tears towards the teacheress to tell her..... I after having started to drive often turned my car to guard some a bit "brainless" schoolchildren against the street-traffic. I at a common meal with a school-friend, his wife and his son on Malta explained my problem to her and then she suddenly replied "but this is what M... does all the time, but he never explained". He admitted never to have had the courage to do so as when he thought about it tears came down.
why do u even bother to post?
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 26.02.2011, 20:28
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop

Pather - I just don't 'get' your reply? Why do you bother?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Employer failing to provide me with tax information for 2009 killylastin Finance/banking/taxation 2 25.03.2010 20:42
[Zürich] Winter 08/09 road/off-road rides Salsa_Lover Social events 3 18.12.2008 16:45
Fourth Thursday Night Road Bike Road dakman Social events 84 20.06.2008 14:15
Failing digibox PaddyG TV/internet/telephone 15 04.06.2008 11:37
Border Crossing (France) Outerpalli Transportation/driving 3 08.03.2007 11:31


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:08.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0