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25.02.2011, 09:19
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | look left and right[/I] when using a crossing. | | | | | Wasn't that look right and left? | The following 2 users would like to thank MacGregor's Daughter for this useful post: | | 
25.02.2011, 09:25
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | Wasn't that look right and left? | | | | | Nearly.
Look right, look left, and look right again. Though, tbh, I never looked right... | This user would like to thank mirfield for this useful post: | | 
25.02.2011, 10:54
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop
I never ever trust somebody else's skills to drive nor to see me well. I always make sure that the person is actually stopping to let me cross. I saw too often people driving past someone coming to cross the zebra.
And I really don't get why so many people don't even look when crossing, assuming the driver will stop.... Do they think they have 9 lives? | 
25.02.2011, 11:58
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | That driver should be (have been) grateful to you. Had a policeman seen that load of snow on her roof, the fine would have been between CHF 50.-- and CHF 150.--
A) Führen eines Fahrzeugs in nicht fahrtüchtigem Zustand
B) Gefährdung der Verkehrs-Sicherheit
C) Grobfahrlässigkeit im Strassenverkehr  | | | | | Are you saying it's illegal to drive with snow on the roof?
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25.02.2011, 12:00
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop
Almost certainly comes under B above - if the snow flew off backwards, instead of, as in this case, forwards after stopping, it might land on the windscreen of the chap behind!
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25.02.2011, 12:09
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | Are you saying it's illegal to drive with snow on the roof? | | | | | I hope so!
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25.02.2011, 12:14
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | The worst case was at Bahnhof Enge where there are several crossings after one another. | | | | | This to me is part of the problem here, compared to UK.
Too many close to one another
Poorly placed (visibility)
Poorly marked
Poorly illuminated
In UK there are fewer (so you pay more attention when you see one), orange beacons, sometimes spotlights highlighting the pedestrians, ZIG ZAG lines on the approach.
Sometimes here they are so close to a junction taht after you have decided to cross the traffic to turn left and before you have crossed the crossing in the sideroad a pedestrian steps out. You have to decide whether you drive on and compromise someones rights or stop and risk being clobbered in the rear end sticking out on the main road. Justr a few more metres would make a big difference.
At night here with the yellow light and yellow stripes they are sometimes very difficult to notice especially if it's wet and the road is then all shiney yellow.
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25.02.2011, 12:20
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop
But if you, like me, were a pedestrian, you'd be fed up to the teeth when hurrying to the station, to have to make detours to the pedestrian crossings and back again at every side junction - especially at the roundabouts where I do an extra 25 metres.
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25.02.2011, 12:38
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop
Surely part of your basic driving skills when driving in a city is observation. And part of that includes looking out for pedestrian crossings and people waiting/looking/likely to cross.
Snow on a roof - if you police stop you will be fined.
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25.02.2011, 12:53
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop
That reminds me of one time when I was driving after 22h00 in rural area there was a group of tipsy teenage girls crossing the road in random place. The more chicky one went first in front of the car in front of me, then I slowed down not being sure who is gonna cross next. One must be super alert all the time!
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25.02.2011, 13:09
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop
I come from a country where traffic regulations are usually not followed regularly. So one grows up knowing that red light does not mean cars will stop right away or trucks/busses/4x4s/old cars usually have the priority over smaller cars no matter what the regulation says. This messy environment teaches one to be wary of each other in the traffic.
So back to Switzerland/UK/Netherlands..
As a pedestrian I always try to make eye contact with the driver, to guarantee he/she will stop or at least see what sort of driver he/she is or what he/she is doing. So, young drivers/nervous types/old people/people on the phone I will rather not trust.
And I agree with previous poster, that UK is a safer place for zebra crossings.
As a driver, I occasionally do not follow the priority rules when I notice the car following me driving fast. Couple years ago, I stopped before a zebra crossing (in Amsterdam) and the van following me crashed full speed at me. Luckily -despite my car was full with people-damage was limited to the car
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25.02.2011, 13:57
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | Surely part of your basic driving skills when driving in a city is observation. And part of that includes looking out for pedestrian crossings and people waiting/looking/likely to cross. | | | | | Of course it is, but designing for safety takes account of the fact that the world isn't perfect and people are human and make mistakes. My point was that a few improvements would likely pay dividends in less people being injured or killed. It was not that we should design for people not looking or taking care.
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25.02.2011, 18:49
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | Surely part of your basic driving skills when driving in a city is observation. And part of that includes looking out for pedestrian crossings and people waiting/looking/likely to cross. | | | | | I drive past a brightly lit bus stop. Unfortunately, just out of the brightly lit area, there is a crosswalk which has no lighting of its own. I really wonder about the traffic safety people who made such a decision.
I know it's there, so I slow down accordingly. Wish the drivers would do the same when its me getting off the bus. | 
25.02.2011, 19:19
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop
i only stop, when all four wheel arches are full with pedestrians (impairng acceleration) or the car is out of fuel.
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25.02.2011, 22:43
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | The law also says that it is illegal to "take the right of way" from another person or vehicle. So if you are run over because you step in front of a motor car whilst crossing in the pedestrian crossing you are also guilty of breaking the law.  | | | | | On dear, this is so confusing especially to a newcomer to the country! When I first arrived, I was pleasantly surprised when cars stopped at the pedesterian crossing. But, so far during the weekday rush hour, I have observed how drivers are oh-so-reluctant to pause. Then, there's the dilemma of whether or not to take the risk and cross! | 
26.02.2011, 17:56
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | I never ever trust somebody else's skills to drive nor to see me well. I always make sure that the person is actually stopping to let me cross. I saw too often people driving past someone coming to cross the zebra. 
And I really don't get why so many people don't even look when crossing, assuming the driver will stop.... Do they think they have 9 lives?  | | | | | A very simple contribution, not easy in winter but very easy in summer, do NOT wear black clothes but bright and shiny clothes, making you visible. Bright coloured gym-shoes may not exactly be the ones for mountain climbings but in rural areas are miles better than black shoes !  | 
26.02.2011, 18:11
| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | Are you saying it's illegal to drive with snow on the roof? | | | | | Yes it is - for obvious reasons. Also illegal to drive without clearing the whole windscreen, rear and side windows of frost.
From Tribune de Genève:
Anne-Elisabeth Celton | 03.12.2010 | 11:30
Il est 8 heures du matin, vous êtes en retard et votre voiture croule sous la neige? Un conseil, armez-vous d'un balai, d'une raclette ou encore des deux à la fois et consacrez quelques minutes à libérer votre véhicule. Sous peine d'être dans l'illégalité!
En effet, ne pas déneiger sa voiture peut valoir une contravention allant de l'avertissement... au retrait de permis pour mise en danger. Tout conducteur qui n'a pas enlevé la glace des parties vitrées, des phares ou des rétroviseurs peut être contrôlé par les forces de l'ordre. "Le dégivrage est une obligation: certains ne grattent qu'un petit hublot devant eux sur le pare-brise! Ils n'ont aucune visibilité" explique Philippe Cosandey, porte-parole de la police genevoise.
Ainis les patrouilles genevoises portent ces jours-ci un oeil attentionné à ces voitures givrées. Les agents n'hésitent pas établir un constat, avec possibilité de photos à l'appui, qu'ils transfèrent au service des contraventions. C'est ce dernier qui fixera le montant de la sanction.
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26.02.2011, 18:11
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | If a driver does not stop when a small child is standing on the pavement at a pedestrian crossing ...... you think he/she is going to stop for an adult?
When I did my driver conversion here, even people walking close to the outer edge of the pavement was cause to slow down/move auto further away from pavement edge.
So, why is ...whatever .... nothing to do with the law..? You lost me there. .. and confusing the issue here... or at least I am confused now ... and time to go pour a whisky anyway ..... | | | | | in defence of the "accused" driver it has to be said that children ball-playing along busy roads are an aspect difficult to take into account. I will remember the days until the end of my days, when my best schoolfriend in the second year got under the wheels of a truck. He had been ball-playing and ran for the ball, directly under the wheels of the approaching truck. Up in school, our teacheress had in the meantime started the first lesson until Elisabeth, the friend of Rico Turconi, burst into the school-room, all over in tears towards the teacheress to tell her..... I after having started to drive often turned my car to guard some a bit "brainless" schoolchildren against the street-traffic. I at a common meal with a school-friend, his wife and his son on Malta explained my problem to her and then she suddenly replied "but this is what M... does all the time, but he never explained". He admitted never to have had the courage to do so as when he thought about it tears came down.     | 
26.02.2011, 20:10
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| | Re: Crossing the road, cars failing to stop | Quote: | |  | | | in defence of the "accused" driver it has to be said that children ball-playing along busy roads are an aspect difficult to take into account. I will remember the days until the end of my days, when my best schoolfriend in the second year got under the wheels of a truck. He had been ball-playing and ran for the ball, directly under the wheels of the approaching truck. Up in school, our teacheress had in the meantime started the first lesson until Elisabeth, the friend of Rico Turconi, burst into the school-room, all over in tears towards the teacheress to tell her..... I after having started to drive often turned my car to guard some a bit "brainless" schoolchildren against the street-traffic. I at a common meal with a school-friend, his wife and his son on Malta explained my problem to her and then she suddenly replied "but this is what M... does all the time, but he never explained". He admitted never to have had the courage to do so as when he thought about it tears came down.      | | | | | why do u even bother to post?
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26.02.2011, 20:28
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Pather - I just don't 'get' your reply? Why do you bother? | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | |
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