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Re: Is my salary [135K+bonus, health ins] enough for a family of 3 in Geneva?

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Old 12.03.2011, 19:18
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Sometimes they are sent to the Trash/Duplicate Posts Graveyard - to a scream of 'be nice to the Newbies' from some, PM's 'why did you delete/trash/move my Thread?' from the posters and maybe a frustrated sigh from CarlosR who had, at 7.13, already given a good reply to this OP's question posted at 6.47.

Despite rumours to the contrary, Mods eat breakfast, walk to the tram-stop without their lap-top running, make beds, do the washing-up, ride their bike to work, get their children up, clear up the spam on here and check the reported posts and the PMs sent to Admin, and just occasionally, when all mods are thus engaged, a Newbie posts and a member replies before a Mod sees that it is a quadruple post.

Anyway, all the other 'can I live on...?' Threads were about Basel, Bern, Zürich, Oerlikon, Buchs SG, Lucerne, Vevey, Porrentruy, Solothurn, Lachen, Uster, Glarus, Lugano, Fribourg...

Can I slip off to the kitchen to see if my lasagne is getting on OK or will there be another of these Threads before I get back?
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Yes but does it contain bechamel and/or ricotta?
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Old 12.03.2011, 19:26
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Yes but does it contain bechamel and/or ricotta?
And, and.... are you going to give us your recipe and post it on the Post what you cook and bake in Switzerland?
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Re: Is my salary [135K+bonus, health ins] enough for a family of 3 in Geneva?

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I love these threads - OP: I don't think you mean "Is my salary enough....to survive" but rather "Will my salary afford me a comparable lifestyle in Switzerland to my current situation?". Describe your current lifestyle and we'll tell you whether 135k is enough to replicate it in Geneva. It may not be (if you're a restaurant nut, coming from Singapore, it probably won't be).
Exactly economisto. I'm not worried about surviving, but we're a bit past the stage in our lives where we're happy to just survive and enjoy the experience.

Lifestyle here in Singapore is very good, and we don't expect to be able to replicate it (for instance, we have a maid here, which obviously we won't in Geneva); we're just trying to get a sense of what my salary will mean in terms of quality of life.
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Old 12.03.2011, 19:37
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Exactly economisto. I'm not worried about surviving, but we're a bit past the stage in our lives where we're happy to just survive and enjoy the experience.

Lifestyle here in Singapore is very good, and we don't expect to be able to replicate it (for instance, we have a maid here, which obviously we won't in Geneva); we're just trying to get a sense of what my salary will mean in terms of quality of life.
Well I'm told private school is 30k per year, so none of that for your kids. A pair of Levis is over 100chf, a sushi dinner will set you back 100chf per head, a cinema ticket is 17chf making movies out for two with popcorn a 50chf affair. Cleaning is 35chf per hour (yeah, seriously). Rent for a family apartment in a reasonable area will be around the 3k mark and that won't get you anything special for Singapore/London/New York standards/price equivalent. Having said that, there's a lot to do that's free, for example enjoying the nature/views/walking etc.
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Old 12.03.2011, 19:38
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Lifestyle here in Singapore is very good,
Put simply, if you enjoy eating out or have staff, you're screwed.

However, seeing lakes and mountains and watching the seasons change have become much, much cheaper. It's spring here now; that's worth swapping your maid for Well, after the spring clean ....
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Old 12.03.2011, 19:42
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a cinema ticket is 17chf making movies out for two with popcorn a 50chf affair.
You forgot the 15 to 20 Chf an hour for the babysitter
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Old 12.03.2011, 19:44
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You forgot the 15 to 20 Chf an hour for the babysitter
And you'd better get used to hopping on the tram - there are no S$6 taxi rides here.
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Old 12.03.2011, 21:25
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Re: Is my salary [135K+bonus, health ins] enough for a family of 3 in Geneva?

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Old 12.03.2011, 21:36
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But just remember the comedy and chaos, useful/useless information, suspense, support, senseless sentences, fluff, flak and fun you get on here for free. Priceless.
You can get that on this forum without actually moving into the country.... Look at the amount of people who left Switzerland but still hooked on the forum!
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Re: Is my salary [135K+bonus, health ins] enough for a family of 3 in Geneva?

With 135,000 CHF you can catch as many taxis as you like
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Old 12.03.2011, 23:21
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I prefer to sit down on the tram. I tried hopping but I got strange looks from the other passengers.

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..we're a bit past the stage in our lives where we're happy to just survive and enjoy the experience.
So was I, but life throws you all sorts of situations. You can't possibly be ready for all when you move, but more than cash, there are other questions. Can you wife stay at home? How long for? Will she want to work, doing what? Degree transferable or she needs to requalify? (no real work options for trailing spouses in small communities unless she is ready to seriously compromise). Will she need to learn local language? Do you plan on moving back? Kid needs to go to private school? More kids later? When? Can you pull it off you being constantly at work, your wife not knowing anyone? Big city is a giant help in this, there are already communities for foreigners, functioning for decades. But, just having to change the location within this country can throw your finances completely off the whack. We pay 3x as much now for rent than we did in boonies, but I have a possibility to work now, study and have some life. 130000fr sounds good, friends survived on a lot less in Ge. We live close, spend on transportation and any sitting is twice as much since one needs more time to run to the city and back, but still worth it. No local work, though, so if your wife wants to work, get ready for a really logistically hectic scenario, car makes it easier, but you need cash to park it anywhere here, renting a garage is a lot, parking spaces rare. Before you decide, though, start already looking for a space to rent, since this place is the most difficult in the whole CH. People I know are pretty happy renting lovely houses in France and commuting to work, but public transport over the boarder isn't ideal, the one that stays at home with a kiddo can get stuck, also is she does not necessarily hit it off with the mom groups there. Good luck. If it works out, it can be bliss.
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You forgot the 15 to 20 Chf an hour for the babysitter
Where do you get a baby sitter for under 20/hour? would you share the address? of course, you are also forgetting the personal secretary, the cleaning lady, and the driver.

wooah, less than 250K an year, you would be really roughing it. no-one in Geneva would live there for less.

BTW, Econom - where did you see a 2 bedrooms for 3K??? another address I need; try to find a 3 bedroom, and it is the 5k you'll hit.
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With 135,000 CHF you can catch as many taxis as you like
But only if you dedicate 100% of your wage to transport.
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You forgot the 15 to 20 Chf an hour for the babysitter
where do I get a babysitter for less than 20?? This is a serious question. I havent been out in a while
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Re: Is my salary [135K+bonus, health ins] enough for a family of 3 in Geneva?

If you just want a teenager to look after your kids, ask at the Gemeinde, or if in Zurich, the next Gemeinde out. I used to babysit for 7 francs an hour in the 90ies and some mums complained about THOSE rates...
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120K per year is barely enough for a single man ( with a rather frugal but nightly lyfestyle, living on a flat in central ZH ) so 15K more for a house, wife and kid and maids, butler and chauffeur ... maybe not
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120K per year is barely enough for a single man ( with a rather frugal but nightly lyfestyle, living on a flat in central ZH ) so 15K more for a house, wife and kid and maids, butler and chauffeur ... maybe not
Well, that's just malarkey. I've lived on 120k in central Zurich (smallish flat but not tiny, 2.5 rooms), not what you'd call a frugal lifestyle, loans of 1k per month to repay, and still put aside a fair amount in savings. Single man, late twenties at the time.

Oh, and while I didn't have a full time maid, I did employ a cleaning lady.

If you have to live frugally as a single man on twice the average Swiss income, then frugal means something else in your native tongue than it does in English.
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If you just want a teenager to look after your kids, ask at the Gemeinde, or if in Zurich, the next Gemeinde out. I used to babysit for 7 francs an hour in the 90ies and some mums complained about THOSE rates...
For evenings out we have two girls in our village who we can call on. One is 15 years old and one is 14 years old, but seeing as our children were 2 and 6 when we started doing this, we were happy with the arrangement. The children are already in PJs so they have minimal amount to do before putting them in bed.

They both did the Red Cross babysitters course before coming. I pay the older girl 12 Chf an hour and the younger girl, 10 Chf an hour.

If I am out during the afternoon or day, the mother of one of the girls comes. She has worked in creches, is currently a part time English teacher in a secondary school. I pay her 25 Chf per hour.

Put a note up in the window or your Gemeinde (commune office in French??) or in the local newsletter or in the local school. Arrange for them to bring their parent over when they first visit. You should find someone you like easily enough.

Sorry that this is going mildly off post but I reckon OP might want the odd night out too.
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