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Old 12.03.2011, 18:26
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Re: When your prices kill your own market.

I was shocked at the prices of things, especially food, when I arrived a year ago. Then I thought "oh well, I'm paying extra for Swiss quality and produce". But then the fruit and veg I bought from Coop and Migros would rot and go mouldy quickly, and the expensive meat and eggs turned out not even to be from Switzerland. That stuff was even more crazy expensive.

Oh well, must be for the exellent service. But I've read many accounts on here, and know personally of two people, who have bought electronic products which broke quickly and in one case never worked out of the box. Shop refused to refund or fix for free.

So now I simply think that this country is weird (it must, however, suit the Swiss themselves) and I cycle to France and/or Germany to do most of my shopping. Advantage of living in Basel.

Italian restaurant in brausebad (Basel) always seemed too expensive and empty. How do they survive?, I thought. Oh well, they'll reduce the pricesto something realistic if they're not doing well, I thought. They've shut down instead and the entire corner plot has been empty for months.
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Old 12.03.2011, 18:27
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The Swiss are very patriotic, they are one of the only groups of people on this planet that will pay more for something that is Swiss (even over 50% more) than a product that is non-swiss you will probably find that is why this little country thrives..
This is something I have directly experienced with close Swiss friends of mine who said as much when I once tried to encourage them - no beg them - to shop around. I even offered to do the research and all but pay for the goods for them but nope that wasn't enough to change their minds.
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Not the place here for this discussion. I feel strongly that as a customer I should have the choice, and should know about it if it is Halal.
I am surprised about your ??? as you must be aware that this is a very controversial issue.
I honestly don't know this issue. I never heard of this being an issue. I have to add that I don't read german news, etc. (If it is in there)

But I am trully interested to learn more about it, we should maybe start a thread about this issue? I am always ready to go to bed less stupid at night!
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Old 12.03.2011, 18:36
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I honestly don't know this issue. I never heard of this being an issue. I have to add that I don't read german news, etc. (If it is in there)

But I am trully interested to learn more about it, we should maybe start a thread about this issue? I am always ready to go to bed less stupid at night!
It's really to do with the fact that for an animal to be slaughtered in Halal or Kosher methods it isn't allowed to be stunned beforehand. All animals must be stunned before being slaughtered in Switzerland.

Also in Halal an animal is suppose to be bled while it's being slaughtered.

Some people view these points as being unnecessary suffering to the animal while it is being slaughtered.

Edit: Please don't start a thread inviting Islam haters
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This is something I have directly experienced with close Swiss friends of mine who said as much when I once tried to encourage them - no beg them - to shop around. I even offered to do the research and all but pay for the goods for them but nope that wasn't enough to change their minds.

To tell you the truth the patriotic attitude verges on stupidity, I have never witnessed it any other country before. Guess thats the reason Swiss people will pay twice as much for a litre of Swiss milk over German milk.

Its goes against price theory... very strange.
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There is an effect on this on the Swiss cultural character.

For one, they are compelled to be more conscientious about their belongings, and tend to buy better quality merchandise. I know someone who bought a high end barbecue grill and invited us over. After its use, he spent a considerable amount of time cleaning that grill until it was spotless, then oiled and covered it afterwards.

In comparison, an american friend chose to buy a grill that was a lot less expensive. After its use, he simply turned it off and left it standing where it was. It rained for 2 days afterwards, and I see the grill in the exact same place it was on my next visit. When I opened it, he had not even bothered to clean it.

A year and a half later, the american is throwing away his grill. My Swiss friend's grill still looks brand new.

I see this level of conscientious diligence with the Swiss that is part of their conditioning. They treat their houses and cars the same way, and this carries on to civic life as well. This also translates to their affinity for following rules and such.

By the way, my Swiss friend's house is a LOT cleaner and cooler, while my American friend's house always seems to be filled with clutter. Simply, the Swiss are more disciplined in their living.

Before you post about someone or another: yes, of course there are always exceptions and such.
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Old 12.03.2011, 18:48
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This is something I have directly experienced with close Swiss friends of mine who said as much when I once tried to encourage them - no beg them - to shop around. I even offered to do the research and all but pay for the goods for them but nope that wasn't enough to change their minds.
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So not true. Yes, they do.
I don't see how your too comments tally - while obviously some Swiss people do wander into Denner/Aldi/Lidl, the majority of their patrons seem to be immigrants. Swiss people are notoriously loyal to Cogros, as I'm sure you've witnessed.
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Old 12.03.2011, 18:49
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I think that like any other country you just get used to certain products. Swiss Greyezer Rezent is a staple for me, just like there is nothing to compare to an English Stilton. I have tried copycat cheeses from other countries to try to save money and they are just not the same. I buy imported cheeses here in the US even though they are ridiculously expensive! However for stuff like flour, butter, brand name cereals. margarine, brand name drinks, there really isn't much difference in quality, so if I had a big family where the savings were more than the gas/ petrol I would buy over the border. I found a discount supermarket ( I think Aldi) here in the US selling real English Stilton- Boy did I stockup! Aldi here sometimes gets odd batches of things- like lobster tails yum!

I am not sure if I believe all the stuff about Swiss meat being more natural. I have been to farms where they sell what they raise and the meat is really good. Then when they get popular, business picks up, they start to sell other vendors stuff- which may not be that ' natural'. Basically to know that it is natural you have to get to know the vendor and see the cattle. I knew farmers in Switzerland- some sold all natural- some didn't. I rarely eat meat but would have to cook it every day. When I first moved from the UK to Switzerland I thought great - No BSE. Then I learned that the feed causing the problems had been sold to CH- So then I thought OK at least the German meat is BSE free and started to buy their meat, but no- the feed was sold to Germany as well!

As with eggs- go to the farm see what bags of feed are hanging around, how the animals are kept. A Swiss farm in our area was inspected and found to be keeping chickens cooped up in bad conditions. I already knew that I used to walk by the place. Similarly abbatoirs are pretty awful places. I used to have to walk past a Swiss one almost daily and when they were slaughtering it was pretty unbearable. Slaughtering is never humane.

Another problem is that some farmers empty their tanks onto the field as natural fertilizer- I didn't think much of that!

If you want quality and think it is worth paying for then get to know the vendor first before buying. generally I think that you can taste quality most of the time.

While the Swiss Greyerzer Rezent still tastes this good I will carry on paying for it., even though I don't know how natural it is.
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Guess thats the reason Swiss people will pay twice as much for a litre of Swiss milk over German milk.
I do find Swiss milk produced by our local farmer to be better than German milk. And I do know that he doesn't use growth hormones to boost milk production, so I do pay more for Swiss milk.
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To tell you the truth the patriotic attitude verges on stupidity, I have never witnessed it any other country before. Guess thats the reason Swiss people will pay twice as much for a litre of Swiss milk over German milk.

Its goes against price theory... very strange.
I believe patriotism has its place within limits and one of those limits, at least as far as I am concerned, is that it goes right out of the window when it negatively impacts my liquidity ratio.

That said, however, whilst in the case of my Swiss friends, their unwillingness to shop around for lower priced goods was clearly detrimental to their pocket, perhaps for a significant number of other Swiss people who knowingly and gladly pay higher prices it isn't. Who knows for sure?...
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I don't see how your too comments tally - while obviously some Swiss people do wander into Denner/Aldi/Lidl, the majority of their patrons seem to be immigrants. Swiss people are notoriously loyal to Cogros, as I'm sure you've witnessed.
There are no absolutes...
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Re: When your prices kill your own market.

An old article but still valid (re shopping abroad)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/0...67401G20100805
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it negatively impacts my liquidity ratio.
are you a person or a prop trading desk
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You decide...
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I do find Swiss milk produced by our local farmer to be better than German milk. And I do know that he doesn't use growth hormones to boost milk production, so I do pay more for Swiss milk.
Yes i agree it does taste better ... the Swiss cows eat Swiss grass, grown by a Swiss farmer in Switzerland, the Swiss farmer eats food that is purely Swiss, he has a Swiss wife and family, a Swiss work ethic and drives a Swiss version Volvo, the sh*t from his Swiss cows is used as manure on his Swiss vegetable garden, which produces great Swiss vegetables ...and there is no way in the world that farmer would shop at Denner

..that why the milk tastes better.
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I don't see how your too comments tally - while obviously some Swiss people do wander into Denner/Aldi/Lidl, the majority of their patrons seem to be immigrants. Swiss people are notoriously loyal to Cogros, as I'm sure you've witnessed.
I had friends in Switzerland who would never own up to buying across the border. They would take Swiss bags with them to pack the goods in case neighbors saw them taking the stuff into the house.then once inside they immediately removed all labels and burnt them in their Schweden or Kachelofens. They put the stuff into anonymous storage containers. I was amazed!
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I had friends in Switzerland who would never own up to buying across the border. They would take Swiss bags with them to pack the goods in case neighbors saw them taking the stuff into the house.then once inside they immediately removed all labels and burnt them in their Schweden or Kachelofens. They put the stuff into anonymous storage containers. I was amazed!
I've seen this too - I bet Denner are considering buying in brown paper bags to hid their shameful wares There is a big thing here about pride in purchase that I've never really experienced elsewhere. I shop in Denner because I like it and it's better value and things actually taste. If you shop at Cogros, everything from your curry to your beans on toast will taste like a schnitzel sandwich.
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negatively impacts my liquidity ratio.
Thats another reason why Swiss people will pay more , the Swiss have one of the highest disposable incomes on the planet...why travel to Germany to buy milk when you can pay twice as much for the local product ....and its doesnt really affect the bottom line too much.
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I had friends in Switzerland who would never own up to buying across the border. They would take Swiss bags with them to pack the goods in case neighbors saw them taking the stuff into the house.then once inside they immediately removed all labels and burnt them in their Schweden or Kachelofens. They put the stuff into anonymous storage containers. I was amazed!
Now that is weird. I have never met a Swiss who gave a hoot about where we buy our things. In fact, I get lots of tips from the Swiss on bargains across the border.

I get the impression the Swiss economy is not heavily dependent on the local consumer sector. Notice how they are able to curtail shopping hours, yet the economy booms? The economy makes most of its money on exports.
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Now that is weird. I have never met a Swiss who gave a hoot about where we buy our things..
Strange ive seen Swiss colleagues swear under their breath at the mere mention of Denner or Aldi...
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