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Re: When your prices kill your own market.

do you know that denner is owned by migros. they use same suppliers but different label...

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I've seen this too - I bet Denner are considering buying in brown paper bags to hid their shameful wares There is a big thing here about pride in purchase that I've never really experienced elsewhere. I shop in Denner because I like it and it's better value and things actually taste. If you shop at Cogros, everything from your curry to your beans on toast will taste like a schnitzel sandwich.
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Strange ive seen Swiss colleagues swear under their breath at the mere mention of Denner or Aldi...
I know that when it comes to food, Denner and Aldi are "perceived" as inferior quality. But even Migros meats is perceived as inferior to Coop meats, and the local butcher has the best meats of all. But it doesn't strike me as a patriotic or isolationist attitude. Does it to you?
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Old 12.03.2011, 19:18
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why travel to Germany to buy milk when you can pay twice as much for the local product
Because the cost of travel to Germany (or Italy in our case) is CHF-30-50, fine for a large shopping trip, but hardly worthwhile for a box of milk!

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I know that when it comes to food, Denner and Aldi are "perceived" as inferior quality. But even Migros meats is perceived as inferior to Coop meats, and the local butcher has the best meats of all. But it doesn't strike me as a patriotic or isolationist attitude. Does it to you?
From what ive experienced ,and i suppose this relates more to the people you associate with, if its Migros/ Coop or the butcher your a patriat ..if its Aldi or Denner you may as well be an Auslander.

I buy my meat in Coop or even the butcher ..but find the prawns and shrimps at Aldi (with some chilli and garlic thrown in the pan) taste bloody good ..
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I respectfully disagree with your generalization.

First of all health care is not free, for working people you get automatically deducted insurance from your salary every month plus your employer gives the other half. It is true that you will not pay anything else than ur montly fee and u have not to worry about the cost of any surgery, treatment or medicines. And sadly in my lovely country, that non free but fairly cheap health care system is a bad freddy crugger nightmare, as an example I know people who calls for an apointment and need to wait from 2 weeks (you are almost diying) to 3 months to get a normal apointment, so people who can try to afford it go to private doctors and what is nice about the sistem in mexico is that they charge per apointment and not per minute. around +300 pesos. but if you consider that the minimum salary its around 50pesos per day you can see my point.
The other point is that doctors are not poor, but well acomodated people in the economy. I have 3 relatives who are doctors in Mexico and they get a nice salary plus they get also private consultations. and is more than enough to live a comfortable life.
Well, I disagree. Both of my parents are doctors in Mexico, and while we live comfortably, they never had nor will ever have anywhere near the lifestyle a doctor in the US or Europe or in a 1st world country would have.

But to give you an example, my mother teaches pathology at the Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara, the biggest private university in a city of 12 million people, at full-time appointed professor level in the faculty of Medicine.

Her monthly salary? 1000 USD. Even in Mexico, 1000 USD a month puts you in the lower middle-class, if you interpret "middle class" quite liberally (in most developed countries, 1000 USD a month puts you in squarely in poverty level). Most doctors I know in Mexico (and having grown up around 5 family members who were doctors, plus their friends and their families) do not make "a comfortable lifestyle" only with their salaries as doctors. They supplement it via other private enterprises as varied as sewing, crafts, baking cakes, and, the lucky ones, yes, with private practice, if you're lucky enough to not be working full-time 8 hour shifts at the emergency room, such that you have time for private practice at all.
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Old 12.03.2011, 19:27
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I know that when it comes to food, Denner and Aldi are "perceived" as inferior quality. But even Migros meats is perceived as inferior to Coop meats, and the local butcher has the best meats of all. But it doesn't strike me as a patriotic or isolationist attitude. Does it to you?
Actually, I like Denner for many things, and usually buy there (it is also the most convenient, being midway between work and home). Manor is my #2.

For meat , I generally prefer Migros, though if I want really good stuff I go to Italy, or to my girlfriend's ex-brother in law (local Vietnamese importer).

Aldi, I don't like, same with Lidl, they just rub me the wrong way.

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Old 12.03.2011, 19:32
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Yes i agree it does taste better ... the Swiss cows eat Swiss grass, grown by a Swiss farmer in Switzerland, the Swiss farmer eats food that is purely Swiss, he has a Swiss wife and family, a Swiss work ethic and drives a Swiss version Volvo, the sh*t from his Swiss cows is used as manure on his Swiss vegetable garden, which produces great Swiss vegetables ...and there is no way in the world that farmer would shop at Denner

..that why the milk tastes better.
Well, the cheese made from the milk from cows feeding in one valley certainly tastes different from that of those feeding in another.

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I certainly do not yearn for Tesco's 2 c••••y factory farmed chickens for a fiver. Perhaps people here have realised that it is 'all linked' and that by the time big firms like Tesco have taken over the market - a lot of things change, forever. Small shops close in local communities, small farms close, factory farming becomes the norm, cows never see a blade of grass, but plenty of ****y feed and anitbiotics by the bucket load, and so on. People are forced to work all night and at week-ends for low salaries, etc. Very wise, the Swiss - sometimes.
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Actually, I like Denner for many things, and usually buy there (it is also the most convenient, being midway between work and home). Manor is my #2.

For meat , I generally prefer Migros, though if I want really good stuff I go to Italy, or to my girlfriend's ex-brother in law (local Vietnamese importer).

Aldi, I don't like, same with Lidl, they just rub me the wrong way.

Tom
I prefer meats from Migros to Coop as well. Coop seems to trim every ounce of fat they can find, while Migros still leaves some remnant on it. But whenever I get a chance, I'll but it from France (Carrefour, Cora, etc.) because I LOVE the smell of the oil from the fat dripping onto charcoal.
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Because the cost of travel to Germany (or Italy in our case) is CHF-30-50, fine for a large shopping trip, but hardly worthwhile for a box of milk!

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I was speaking Hypothetically.With the low euro shopping in Germany can be attractive, personally id rather buy local than commute over the border.
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The food industry is big industry. It is bg industry in Switzerland as much as anywhere else. I found a wonderful Milka Ad., but can't find any film of the highly mechanized process production line at the Milka factory. I did find one for cadbury creme eggs. I thought that Switzerland would be proud to show off it's chaocoalte production line. Perhaps they don't want to den the alpmilch fantasy. Although I must say I love genuine all natural Alpmilch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
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I prefer meats from Migros to Coop as well. Coop seems to trim every ounce of fat they can find, while Migros still leaves some remnant on it. But whenever I get a chance, I'll but it from France (Carrefour, Cora, etc.) because I LOVE the smell of the oil from the fat dripping onto charcoal.
Indeed, but you need to buy a certain quantity to justify the transport costs, something most women just don't get (spending CHF 30 on fuel costs to save CHF 10 on the product!)

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Apart from food, I do know appliances are considerable less expensive in Germany, but then there is the issue of service. It would be easier to get service for locally purchased appliance. Is that worth the hundreds or thousand in difference?
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do you know that denner is owned by migros. they use same suppliers but different label...
Indeed. It's their "for immigrants" brand.

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Old 12.03.2011, 19:54
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The Swiss are very patriotic, they are one of the only groups of people on this planet that will pay more for something that is Swiss (even over 50% more) than a product that is non-swiss you will probably find that is why this little country thrives..
Um, have you ever been to America? We put little flags with "made in America" on products to signify that they're "better" somehow than the cheaper Chinese alternatives. It really made more of a difference a decade or two ago, but in any case, it's certainly not a Swiss phenomenon.
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Apart from food, I do know appliances are considerable less expensive in Germany, but then there is the issue of service. It would be easier to get service for locally purchased appliance. Is that worth the hundreds or thousand in difference?
I do my own service.

However, I really don't like buying stuff from Germany.

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Re: When your prices kill your own market.

Apparently, people have thought about this stuff before

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business...l?cid=28706060
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Re: When your prices kill your own market.

We live in a country where we earn more than in the surrounding countries. As such, one must assume that other people, such as employees of the Coop, Migros and others further down the supply chain, also earn more. It stands to reason then that prices will be higher than across the border.

If we would all shop across the border, we would not be able to maintain the standard of food we are blessed with here. Of course, one can buy the same prepacked rubbish here that one also gets in France, Germany, Austria or Italy, but when it comes to fresh vegetables, meat etc, I prefer the produce and choice in Switzerland.

I am happy buying food at the Coop (the one at Volkiland is great). The shopping experience is good: wide aisles, things properly displayed and polite staff. I am also happy to know that the staff at the Coop are paid properly and have very good working conditions. So if I have to pay a little more sometimes for this, that is ok - at least people that work there can also live at a normal level and do not end up as "working poor", a phenomenon that we see in Germany, for example...

I also avoid Aldi and co. in Switzerland, for those same reasons.
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If we would all shop across the border, we would not be able to maintain the standard of food we are blessed with here. Of course, one can buy the same prepacked rubbish here that one also gets in France, Germany, Austria or Italy, but when it comes to fresh vegetables, meat etc, I prefer the produce and choice in Switzerland.
I agree with the principle of support higher standards, but as for the "prepackaged rubbish", it is exactly the same "pre-packaged rubbish" sold Coop and Migros. Also, the meat cuts do not satisfy me and the vegetables suck.
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Since not everyone own a 120 000 chf annual salary here in Switzerland, and since the price for everything is so high, I was wondering how this can help or affect Switzerland's population in general...

Since our move here, I got the feeling and came to the conclusion that having to spend so much for a product you can buy half the price the other side of the border doesn't help the country but it push people to do so.

The amount of Swiss plates in Germany all the week and especially during the weekend shows it very well.

Today, we had to bring the car to the garage. Hubby went to the neighbourhood one to ask how much would cost those few things to fix. They told us 1000 chf.

He went to Weil Am Rhein and asked the same thing there: 240 Chf.

Which one do you think we will choose to fix our car?

Now let me ask you something, is the job would be different? Nope. Is the service will be better with the swiss price? Nope. So why someone would one to support a system that charge you 3 times the price of the guy next door? If we were living on millions, I wouldn't care. But sadly, we aren't.

Wouldn't be in the best interest of the population of Switzerland to be more competitive with his neightbours to provide them more work and more $$$?

Because even among the Swiss population, so many go to the other side of the border for grocery shopping, cars, household items, restaurants, etc.

If the prices were cheaper here, they would keep the money here which would be more money in everybody's pocket.

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A) Short-term: To have more business but make a loss cannot be the way. My grandmother in the 1910s worked as accountant for a businessman who in Schaffhausen wanted to be cheaper than his competitioner in Singen/D. She found out about his weird calculations and warned his wife. They in the end had to wind up the company minutes before bankruptcy. If you have higher costs you have to charge these costs or forget it

B) Comparisons : Not everything is cheaper in Germany. Along the CH/D border, Germans go to CH to purchase photography, stationary stuff plus cigarettes, and also TV sets are cheaper in CH (but the TV table on the D side ! ), so that it really depends. We had a German working here for years and he knew by the Cent and Rappen what was cheaper where And in practical terms, ever wondered why there are so many Inter-Discounts etc and Cigarette-shops and TV-shops right on the Swiss side along the border ? and furniture-shops just on the German side ? And ever wondered why their stuff on both sides exactly fits the other side ? Go to Kreuzlingen/Konstanz and look it up yourself.
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B-2) conventional slides-films and many other such things can be offered to the customers nicely below the German competition right here in Zurich (Glattbrugg for example). An the shopping-areas in Zurich are full with German customers each Saturday. Do you really believe they are "birre-weich" ?

C) Long-term : Markets. Until the 1930ies, Konstanz for people up to Frauenfeld, Romanshorn and over to Schaffhausen was THE major shopping place. Only when Konstanz got under Nazi rule, people in Schaffhausen and elsewhere shifted over to Zürich. In the Ticino, quite many people lived of continued smuggling both ways throughout the 20th Century. Not as many but quite many did do so in Schaffhausen (Canton). For many decades.
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